Infected MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way

[Grandpa Simpson]

I was thinking maybe the MGTOW community would be about Men talking about y'know hobbies to get into, like hunting or fishing or something, something to build yourself up, build some confidence, occupy your alone time. But it's just them butthurt about Women. So really they look like the mirror image of the political lesbians and radical feminists.

So much for saying "at least my side aren't retards". It turns out every side has retards.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

I was thinking maybe the MGTOW community would be about Men talking about y'know hobbies to get into, like hunting or fishing or something, something to build yourself up, build some confidence, occupy your alone time. But it's just them butthurt about Women. So really they look like the mirror image of the political lesbians and radical feminists.

So much for saying "at least my side aren't retards". It turns out every side has retards.

I mean some are like that. It just that the vocal ones with Youtube channels are more into proselytizing than anything else (most of them anyway).

 

[Serket's pinoy champion]

Speaking if which, I have written a short dialogue-exchange story where a man and woman fight to the death with lightsaber. It is mgtow vs. Women literally. In the end, they both kill each other and the mgtow even smooches her.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

What women have harmed these dudes? Maybe they should go outside a bit more often...

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

What women have harmed these dudes? Maybe they should go outside a bit more often...

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I mean, the first one is actually decent advice. A man would better give you advice on how to pick up a woman, since, well, if they are/were married, and/or have/had a fiance and/or girlfriend, they can already give you good pointers on where to start since they've been there. You would need to be more selective on what info you get from women.

The second one is also generally good advice. Cohabitation generally can cause all kinds of unnecessary bullshit, including higher rates of divorce, and higher rates of stress. It can also cause you legal bullshit in certain cases, such as that one guy who was forced to pay $50,000 a month in spousal support to his ex-girlfriend of three years despite the fact that they had no children and kept separate homes and had never lived together, because the court determined that they were common law married for having cohabitated for three years continuously (and in the court's estimation, this did not mean living together in the same house) even though they had never signed a marriage contract, and he considered her to only be his girlfriend.

As for the remaining ones, as I said, many men who become MGTOW are men who went through horrible divorces, got screwed by the system, lost their kids, etc. Bitterness is to be expected.

 

[off meds / online]

The second one is also generally good advice. Cohabitation generally can cause all kinds of unnecessary bullshit, including higher rates of divorce, and higher rates of stress.

This is actually still a point of contention among a lot of researchers.

That case you cite is also a little bit more grey than that - while they didn't have children together, Latner financially supported Climans and her two children for nearly the entirety of their 14-year relationship, and proposed to her several times, which he denied and then claimed to "not recall" after photographic evidence of one of the proposals was presented. He was described as "evasive" and often gave answers conflicting with physical evidence. The reason they weren't married comes down to her refusal to sign a domestic contract, one draft of which interestingly stated that “each will be deemed always to have been and to be self-sufficient”, which was demonstrably untrue at time of writing.

These points aside, I really don't think having a shitty divorce is an excuse for petulantly whining about how women are all evil harpies set out to drain you of money and/or sperm. I've met plenty of men (and women, for that matter) who manage to have perfectly well-adjusted views of the opposite sex after a messy breakup or even outright abusive relationships. Grown adults really have no justification for behaving this way.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

These points aside, I really don't think having a shitty divorce is an excuse for petulantly whining about how women are all evil harpies set out to drain you of money and/or sperm. I've met plenty of men (and women, for that matter) who manage to have perfectly well-adjusted views of the opposite sex after a messy breakup or even outright abusive relationships. Grown adults really have no justification for behaving this way.

Well, everyone responds to these things differently and not everyone has had situations as shitty as others. Just like many women start hating men after a life time of being treated like shit by them, its the classic circle of assholery: bitches screw over men, who become assholes, who screw over women, who become bitches, rinse and repeat. What really drives men toward MGTOW is how they realize how stacked the legal system is against men, which causes many men to write off being with women entirely (for the long term anyway; many MGTOW still engage in the old "pump and dump", they just don't believe in long term relationships or formal marriage with legal obligations).

This is actually still a point of contention among a lot of researchers.

Yeah, there is a lot of controversy and conflicting information regarding the statistics, and how they are studied. But the point still stands though. The main issue is whether the statistics tell the whole story and what actually causes them to be this way, and whether certain things, like religious beliefs, are skewing the data.

That case you cite is also a little bit more grey than that - while they didn't have children together, Latner financially supported Climans and her two children for nearly the entirety of their 14-year relationship, and proposed to her several times, which he denied and then claimed to "not recall" after photographic evidence of one of the proposals was presented. He was described as "evasive" and often gave answers conflicting with physical evidence. The reason they weren't married comes down to her refusal to sign a domestic contract, one draft of which interestingly stated that “each will be deemed always to have been and to be self-sufficient”, which was demonstrably untrue at time of writing.

Point being though that they never formally married or, seemingly, even presented themselves as married. A couple yes. But in most common law jurisdictions, a man and woman must formally and openly present themselves as spousals and this includes actively living together and even calling each other husband and wife. That doesn't appear to have happened in the situation, and she even rejected his formal proposals. Many men support their girlfriends and help them out financially without thinking of themselves as married. As one of the articles you linked pointed out, many men may be setting themselves up for getting hit with spousal support without even knowing it based on the current laws.

 

[redcent]

Well, everyone responds to these things differently and not everyone has had situations as shitty as others. Just like many women start hating men after a life time of being treated like shit by them, its the classic circle of assholery: bitches screw over men, who become assholes, who screw over women, who become bitches, rinse and repeat. What really drives men toward MGTOW is how they realize how stacked the legal system is against men,

You mean in family court

And no offense, and yeah I get divorce is rough, but the idea of managing to create a family let alone do some court thing over it is so far away from my life it might as well he a custom on another planet, making men who lash out at every woman all the more unfair.

There are women who get screwed over in court. Claiming rape or abuse isn't easy when it does in fact happen, for example, and legal systems still screw some women over.

But even then, if a woman gets abused or raped shouldn't give her credance to act like a bitch. It's just as terrible to say all men are rapists as it is to say "all women are like that"

If abuse makes you an asshole, don't go to a hugbox online, go to therapy. Break the cycle. How else do we stop the misery?

which causes many men to write off being with women entirely (for the long term anyway; many MGTOW still engage in the old "pump and dump", they just don't believe in long term relationships or formal marriage with legal obligations).

There's nothing wrong with swearing off relationships. It's the bitter asshole part if it that's bad.

If you get burnt just say you have trust issues. Is it really that hard to find you've developed a problem and need a break/help rather than shitting on half the population?

 

[off meds / online]

The main issue is whether the statistics tell the whole story and what actually causes them to be this way, and whether certain things, like religious beliefs, are skewing the data.

But the context could change the implactions of the statistics completely. It's hard to say which way things lean unless all these things are properly accounted for. This stuff doesn't just exist in a bubble where "living together = divorce."

That doesn't appear to have happened in the situation

He was listed as her husband on her passport, and her brother was listed as his BIL on his.

As one of the articles you linked pointed out, many men may be setting themselves up for getting hit with spousal support without even knowing it based on the current laws.

I feel as if you'd misread my argument as "this doesn't happen" when it was "this in particular is a poor example for these reasons."

Well, everyone responds to these things differently and not everyone has had situations as shitty as others. Just like many women start hating men after a life time of being treated like shit by them, its the classic circle of assholery: bitches screw over men, who become assholes, who screw over women, who become bitches, rinse and repeat. What really drives men toward MGTOW is how they realize how stacked the legal system is against men, which causes many men to write off being with women entirely (for the long term anyway; many MGTOW still engage in the old "pump and dump", they just don't believe in long term relationships or formal marriage with legal obligations).

Again - that's not a justification for this level of unmitigated assmad towards half the world's population. For example, I threw a public, pants-shitting tantrum over getting in a fender bender, "everyone reacts to things differently" would not be in the comments of the WorldStar post. Instead, they'd be (rightfully) laughing at my meltdown.

By and large, these are not nuanced complaints about how the legal system upholds sexist societal norms that should be reformed. "Most women are fat and ugly/all women are only after money/women are inherently inferior to men in all ways" is not rational commentary on how society handles gender. They're the impotent lashing out of an unhealthy individual that should be corrected.

There would be nothing to point and laugh at if these men were simply "going their own way" instead of constantly structuring their identities and life struggles around how they feel women have ruined their lives. The fact that the MGTOW movement is chock-full of men doing this is why the movement as a whole has become a laughingstock, and it's certainly made discussion of equitable treatment of each gender a fair bit dicier. It's just a different flavor of political lesbianism, which is also pants-on-head stupid.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

"Most women are fat and ugly/all women are only after money/women are inherently inferior to men in all ways" is not rational commentary on how society handles gender. They're the impotent lashing out of an unhealthy individual that should be corrected.

Oh I agree with you: these particular comments aren't exactly rational. They are about the type of shit I would expect from a drive-by Twitter post. Unfortunately, these types of identitarian movements (and yes, I'm lumping in feminism with them) tend to draw the disaffected and bitter. There are real problems with how the legal system is currently. This type of bitter resentfulness doesn't help anyone in that regard.

He was listed as her husband on her passport, and her brother was listed as his BIL on his.

Now that would definitely change the calculus a fair bit.

 

[KifflomKween]

The problem with MGTOWs is that they love bitches. It's easier to say "all women are bitches, pump and dump" than admit like attracts like.

I think MGTOW and TRP movement as a whole has some good things (the whole focus on self improvement for one, their lucidity on how the government and women deliberately handicap and parasite men). I just think it's all wasted in the goal of chasing bitches. If you don't need bitches for anything why do you need their validation?

They should instead focus on improving relationships with other men but these relationships dont go much further from chasing bitches together and complaining about them. Add to that all their promotion of sociopathic, narcissistic behavior because it makes the bitches wet and the whole movement just looks like hypocrisy.

 

[off meds / online]

Unfortunately, these types of identitarian movements (and yes, I'm lumping in feminism with them) tend to draw the disaffected and bitter. There are real problems with how the legal system is currently. This type of bitter resentfulness doesn't help anyone in that regard.

And that's what I'm saying. The majority of the movement is bitter resentfulness, at this point - angry, lonely men blindly lashing out at women instead of focusing on self improvement and actually going their own way. This is what makes them laughable - the outright refusal to actually improve themselves and the obsessive amount of blaming their own problems on someone, anyone else.

Plenty of lolcows have had bad shit happen to them (Russell Greer certainly comes to mind), but does that make them harder to laugh at? Absolutely not.

And if I were to compare it to anything, it wouldn't be as large of an umbrella term as feminism. FDS and political lesbianism are more apt comparisons.

On that note, do we have an FDS thread yet?

 

[saralovesjuicyfruit]

I was thinking maybe the MGTOW community would be about Men talking about y'know hobbies to get into, like hunting or fishing or something, something to build yourself up, build some confidence, occupy your alone time. But it's just them butthurt about Women. So really they look like the mirror image of the political lesbians and radical feminists.

There have always been men like that, who just don't see dating, marriage, etc. as a worthy endeavor and rather keep to themselves and their buddies, but they don't call themselves MGTOW and probably don't even know what it is even though they are the ones actually going their own way.

 

[Maya]

Lol I seriously couldn’t stop laughing at this. This dude sounds genuinely upset. Pathetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOKHktrv7T4

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Lol I seriously couldn’t stop laughing at this. This dude sounds genuinely upset. Pathetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOKHktrv7T4

Got a minute in and gave up. People don’t want to hear about your day just get to the point and tell us your a strong independent man who don’t need no woman.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

I vaguely remember MGTOW starting in the black community. They'd talk about how child support was unfair, how fake and difficult black women were with their weaves, long nails and bad attitudes. How things have changed. MGTOW is now white incels who are pretending to swear off women (despite never being able to get one before).

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

 

[Bogdandoff]

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Wait the subreddit still isn't banned? I'm surprised.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Wait the subreddit still isn't banned? I'm surprised.

Me too honestly.

 

[Electric Pence]

Say what you want about MGTOW. But when faced with getting demonetized or censored on YouTube, they went and made their own version of it that even comes with their own section where they can write articles, and a discussion forum.

Considering the fact that Dennis Prager lost his lawsuit to demand YT be made a public platform, I think it was a smart move on their part foreseeing Sillycunt Valley's increasingly bold tech censorship. Complaining about the tech censorship the way Sinatra Says did, and conservatives calling for platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube to become public platforms just because they are widely used isn't going to fly in a court of law, particularly not the SCOTUS.