Microsoft will unveil the next version of Windows on June 24th - What's next after Windows 10?

[820㎌Cap]

where the fuck are my renderers for my medical images and research?

And at the end of the day, that's the grand issue, isn't it? Microshit had the right idea, getting in early and pioneering it all. I abhor them and their shit OS, but it has good backwards-compatibility, in fact, it's windows' best feature and they know it. All the legacy software for obscure uses that "just works" matters only to enterprise users, where everything moves a lot slower. Here's the funny thing, though, and correct me if I'm wrong: Depending on how the software was written, and how many external, windows-based libraries were used, if you had the source, you could recompile for linux and have it up and running within a day in the existing workflow. So the only reason software devs end up not compiling for linux is a, real or percieved, lack of demand, which in effect ends up creating a negative feedback loop and a gross collusion with microshit: No one uses linux! -> We won't compile for linux. Also, reverse-engineering isn't (usually) an option because it takes too much time and is too difficult for most, even developers.

The solution?

I mean, I guess it'd be to shill linux at every opportunity and to use it in your own computing/your company's use (if possible). Maybe also to support FOSS projects monetarily as much as you reasonably can. This would try to break the cycle.

Or you can be a chad and modify/compile that complete windows xp source code leak... now there's an idea.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

A small pool of programs that doesn't even scratch the surface, where the fuck are my renderers for my medical images and research?

You're trying to justify the physical prowess of a fucking cripple because it can speak 3 languages.

Do you mean viewers for dicom and niftis? I use 3DSlicer for that. You can do overlays and basic annotations too. It's also actively maintained on their github page. There's also CaPTK which is a toolkit but also doubles as a viewer and probably is the cutting edge software for this kind of work.

 

[Coffee Shits]

Oh look, i found one using a quick Google search

EDIT: Oh look, i found another one

I kind of agree with you but in practice you tend to get fucked in interoperability. I've had spec files sent to me that render wrong on my machine, so when it came time to review everyone was asking why this component wasn't working right when I thought it was to spec.

 

[ditto]

What's next after Windows 10 - Lindows of course!

 

[Considered HARMful]

Tha's great and all but there are many big boy programs that won't mesh well with Linux.

Have you actually tried through WINE? Serious question. I know some of them won't budge, but for some of them you might be pleasantly surprised.

Yes, because the only thing people do with a computer or care about is gaming.

Just a reminder that Linux sucks for corporate work (the most important thing) or anything mildly creative.

/shrug I'm doing my day-to-day work on a loonix, so whatevs. Couldn't care less for people locked into proprietary OS-specific software.

Just to keep the ball rolling, what are those "less than 10" titles which refuse to run under Proton

I don't quite remember most of them, but if you really want to know, I may try and go deep diving into my library and try to recall any and all problems I had.

From the top of my head, the one that should be quite widely known is Magicka. And more generally - old .NET games which nobody bothered to support properly. Mono is an outrage, but as far as I know, .NET situation is a dumpster fire not only on linux systems with dropped support for XNA and whatnot.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

So the only reason software devs end up not compiling for linux is a, real or percieved, lack of demand, which in effect ends up creating a negative feedback loop

At least one of the projects I was working on was planned to be Windows-only right from the get-go (which later came back to fuck us in the ass like it usually does, but anyway). When asked why we were making it Windows-only? "Well all of the clients [at the time] use Windows." But why not code it to be cross-platform or something? "Sounds like it'd make the testing much more complicated, and I'm not paying for that."

Many such cases.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Have you actually tried through WINE? Serious question. I know some of them won't budge, but for some of them you might be pleasantly surprised.

It's been hit or miss and I have played around with it, but when you have deadlines it's best to just go with what works rather than what might work.

That and despite programs saying they have cross compatibility between platforms, the change can still fuck the files. Everyone in the work pipeline ideally should have everything on the same platform.

 

[ZMOT]

At least one of the projects I was working on was planned to be Windows-only right from the get-go (which later came back to fuck us in the ass like it usually does, but anyway). When asked why we were making it Windows-only? "Well all of the clients [at the time] use Windows." But why not code it to be cross-platform or something? "Sounds like it'd make the testing much more complicated, and I'm not paying for that."

Many such cases.

this. the demand is there, but it's not reflected in the money (don't forget if you release for linux you have to support it too), and to get there you'd have to get out of the chicken/egg loop of "not big enough customer base to target linux/no linux version so no customers".

 

[Pinochet Was Right]

calm your bitch tits everyone.

Windows switched to the current year model of "install once, upgrades as updates" with Windows 10, which means it works just like Macs, Linux, and smartphones, because the old model of "retail releases every 3 years" is obsolete. The only difference is that Windows had been so dependent on trademark recognition over their different releases, backwards compatibility and the resulting way of thinking full of boomer baggage, they did it dead last in a messy way. I mean, whatever you say about current W10, it's good compared to the unfinished, unpolished mess it was in 2015 back when it still didn't know if it was a tablet or a desktop OS and the main feature was pretty much being a scared backpedaling after W8's "clickbait tech blogs said PCs are totes dead for the 3467864th time, so mandatory tablet lifestyle for everyone!" mindset.

and judging by the normies' reaction, who should know better after dealing with smartphones, it's like they switch off their brains back into 20yo muscle memory when it comes to regular PCs, they aren't much better, they are scared about a new "Vista/8 debacle" and their just-bought license keys and are already panicking that they'll have to "break quarantine to go buy a W11 disc at Best Buy at full price" and suffer driver hell all over again.
I mean wtf are they expecting, go buy or order an USB drive in a fancy box because optical drives are no longer standard? It's gonna be the same licenses since we're already on the "windows as a service" era since 2015.

The only difference between current windows and the other systems is that MS chose to call every timely service pack "the updates for windows 10" while everyone else was calling them "The New Version" with a new version number or a fancy codename.

This means "Windows 11" is only going to be one of the timely big updates, just rebranded and packing more than usual probably, at least only for this time. And I understand them, since Windows 10 forever feels old next to macOS 11 (which rode the 10.x for 20 years), the imminent Android 12, iOS 14, the Ubuntus going by Year.Month Adjective Animal (no way in hell MS is going back to years), the rolling Linuxes just not bothering, etc.

Possibilities?
Windows 11 plus a point release each year and a code name, like Mac did before Big Sur? We already have the Sun Valley codename for this one.
Windows 11 on 2021, 12 on 2022 and so on, like smartphones?
Just "Windows" since then, with internal version numbers? They'd be just removing the 10.

 

[big potato]

Windows has this funny knack for working fine for people who like it and being absolutely atrocious for people who don't, it's impressive. I must've done something to please the microsoft overlords because so far it's been pretty good to me, even after installing 10 on my old ass pc. I don't like the way computing in general is going though, so I'm cautious about what the future holds. I'm too normie for linux, so I'll probably just stick with what I have now for as long as it works.
I'd still be on XP though, if I had the option.

 

[Pinochet Was Right]

Also, I hope Windows 11 has winget from the start. If they do, the store will finally be useful, and the beta testers I've talked to are happy as fuck for having a linux like package manager at last.

It's just so boomer to still be making IE6 jokes in TYOOL 2021.

Windows has this funny knack for working fine for people who like it and being absolutely atrocious for people who don't, it's impressive. I must've done something to please the microsoft overlords because so far it's been pretty good to me, even after installing 10 on my old ass pc. I don't like the way computing in general is going though, so I'm cautious about what the future holds. I'm too normie for linux, so I'll probably just stick with what I have now for as long as it works.
I'd still be on XP though, if I had the option.

I'm split between Vista SP1 and W7 (which was essentially a rebranded Vista SP2). Both were the cleanest, most "it just werks" experiences I ever had. Vista looked more elegant in general but 7 has the infinitely superior dock taskbar.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

I tend to think MS, as usual, will implement winget half assed or nearly impossible to get independent applications 'approved' to be used with it. Regardless, there was no good excuse to not have a package manager for the last 10+ years.

At this this point, I have to wonder if MS even considers the desktop market outside of the business setting that viable going forward.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

At this this point, I have to wonder if MS even considers the desktop market outside of the business setting that viable going forward.

I highly doubt it. For some time now there has been a big push for computing-on-the-go, which includes laptops, tablets (with keyboard peripherals) , and mobile. I can't remember a laptop that had windows 8 on it that WASN'T also a touch-screen that you can swipe and do other shit with your fingers on it. That shit never changed when Win10 came out and considering all this talk about "apps" for this new Windows, it sounds like it'll get worse.

Desktops these days, outside of businesses, seems to be a niche thing where mostly "gaymers" use them to play their vidya and stream it on JewTube. The typical normie family, for the most part, has laptops for each member of the family so they can do their shit while sitting on the couch with the tv on in front of them.

 

[Zero0]

I'm too normie for linux

Can you expand on that?

I've never had any issue getting normies to use linux.

Unless you play games, which, even though have gotten better, they're still much better on windows, most normies would be just fine on linux.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

I highly doubt it. For some time now there has been a big push for computing-on-the-go, which includes laptops, tablets (with keyboard peripherals) , and mobile. I can't remember a laptop that had windows 8 on it that WASN'T also a touch-screen that you can swipe and do other shit with your fingers on it. That shit never changed when Win10 came out and considering all this talk about "apps" for this new Windows, it sounds like it'll get worse.

Desktops these days, outside of businesses, seems to be a niche thing where mostly "gaymers" use them to play their vidya and stream it on JewTube. The typical normie family, for the most part, has laptops for each member of the family so they can do their shit while sitting on the couch with the tv on in front of them.

That's where I see it going too, much of the world is already mobile majority, the first world isn't too far behind. New versions of Windows don't get nearly the buzz they used to in part for this reason IMO, Windows 7 maybe the last one I can remember that did (also the last good version of it).

 

[Cool Dog]

My prediction: they are turning windows into an android/chromeOS hybrid, far more limited in what you can do since most fags just use webapps most of the time, and the windows store will lock out apps from the outside unless you opt-out of it which 99% of normalfags wont do

Moding it will be hard af, you will need to root/jailbreak your laptop (maybe desktop too) and that will void your warranty for sure, just as in phones

It wont be free, nor will the upgrade wont be free again, after all linux on the desktop is dying a slow death, mozilla is pozzed, the entire FOSS movement is crumbling on itself. Nobody is jumping to linux anymore, theres no need to give shit away for free

In fact I think it will be even worse: they will turn windows into a service, dont want to pay this month? key features are disabled, you get ads everywhere, telemetry fucks you over and if you disable it or block it then windows wont even boot

The 2020's will be marked by escalating waifu wars between Microsoft and Samsung.

They didnt even have the balls to put the cortana from the halo games

 

[Toolbox]

My prediction: they are turning windows into an android/chromeOS hybrid, far more limited in what you can do since most fags just use webapps most of the time, and the windows store will lock out apps from the outside unless you opt-out of it which 99% of normalfags wont do

Moding it will be hard af, you will need to root/jailbreak your laptop (maybe desktop too) and that will void your warranty for sure, just as in phones

Don't they know at this point not to fuck with this kind of thing if it's going to brick plenty of legacy business side apps? I wouldn't put it past them to continue attempting to make Windows mobile centric in layout, but to the point of functionality in general being completely screwed I doubt it.

It wont be free, nor will the upgrade wont be free again, after all linux on the desktop is dying a slow death, mozilla is pozzed, the entire FOSS movement is crumbling on itself. Nobody is jumping to linux anymore, theres no need to give shit away for free

In fact I think it will be even worse: they will turn windows into a service, dont want to pay this month? key features are disabled, you get ads everywhere, telemetry fucks you over and if you disable it or block it then windows wont even boot

They didnt even have the balls to put the cortana from the halo games

I don't see the benefit to them making it paid at this point when it's been practically free for so long. It would scare off a lot of people who could then either go to Mac or even pick up Linux. You can't slam the lid back on Pandora's box especially with gibs on the line.

 

[thx1138]

You would not be able to do customize-able things like you can do now (at least to an extent before the new updates fucked up all your changes). It's as if you were just using the operating system and Microsoft were that paranoid school teacher that was always watching over your shoulder to see if you were actually doing the stuff you came on the computer to do and not dicking around online or on games.

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[Pissmaster]

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[Ita Mori]

They're probably going to call this "Windows Live" or some shit to officialize it.

That shit was terrible and no one liked it a decade ago.
It's the Windows Me of it's decade...

...which reminds me, we're due for a shittastic Windows product around this time as per tradition.
Wait...