Manosphere Mike Cernovich / @Cernovich / "Weird Mike" - Author of Gorilla Mindset, former self-declared Alt-Righter that was too scared by nazis, disbarred attorney, pill pusher, attention whore.

[RI 360]

Mike Cernovich's eyes are too close together and I would not have sex with him.

 

[KotAGoR VIII]

Another massively insecure man that overcompensates with such forced machismo that everyone sees it, thus making the entire effort pointless.
Also he was one of the main villains for the anti side of the gater food fight, so they've probably already amassed a trove of humorous content about him that can be mined.

 

[millais]

Please change the title of the thread to "Mike Thernovich"

thanks

 

[muina]

Hope null and war criminal don't ruin the thread like they did with the alt right thread.
I don't mind cernovich,but man he can be a fag

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

I love when butthurt leftists confuse 'wah I don't like his political opinions REEEEEEE' and being a lolcow

Nah, I voted for Trump and this guy is a joke.

The thing with this guy is that during the NPI debacle, Cernovich got spooked and immediately denounced Richard Spencer and the alt right in general. Cernovich wants to be a political rebel but not when a few dozen sales of his crappy self help books are on the line but hey, whatever, that is his choice. The key here is that he did this in the dumbest way possible. His theory is that everyone to the right of him is controlled opposition or a plant. Thernovith also made a basic bitch mistake and pretended he was never part of the alt right. The internet being the internet, they captured numerous tweets where he declared himself to be part of the alt right (put in spoilers due to large picture):

Spoiler

So everyone to the left of Cernovich is a cuck and anyone to the right of him is controlled opposition.

Another reason why Thernovith is a joke: he makes Infowars look credible.

Throughout the year, he tweets constantly and does a lot of dumb periscopes where talks shit about "cuckths" and how Hillary Clinton wants to kill him personally. However he would report on anything and everything that he found on the internet and called it "inside sources" or "reliable sources." Alt right wing shitlord Mike Enoch planted a story about how the reason why Hillary refused to release transcripts to her speeches in Wall Street is that she didn't actually give those speeches and they just paid them as if she gave a speech. This was too hot of a story for Thernovith to ignore and he ran with it as a "reliable source":

Except it turns out she did give a speech as revealed in the Wikileaks that came out weeks later. Again those "reliable sources" were intentional trolls meant to sucker dipshits like Thernovith, who the alt right has disliked for some time. He didn't bother doing any fact checking, he just ran with it. This was not the only time he did this but this was one instance where he was intentionally being set up and fell for the bait.

As an added bonus:

 

[KotAGoR VIII]

Lol your BMI is north of 35 isn't it?

Wrong direction, Matt Forney. I'm a hungry skeleton.

 

[Quasar]

He's definitely a licensed lawyer.

So was Fred Phelps...for a while anyhow

 

[AnOminous]

Another massively insecure man that overcompensates with such forced machismo that everyone sees it, thus making the entire effort pointless.
Also he was one of the main villains for the anti side of the gater food fight, so they've probably already amassed a trove of humorous content about him that can be mined.

Not really. They mainly just REEEEed about the few things he was right about in their usual humorless fashion.

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

So was Fred Phelps...for a while anyhow

And so was Francis E. Dec.

I'm glad that this idiot finally has a thread. I once tried to email him because he had an article with a "stopped clock" moment where he actually stumbled on a decent point but he got a ridiculous number of facts wrong in it, and I wanted to ask him where he got his information. I found out that his email link automatically signed you up for his MRA newsletter, and spent fifteen minutes looking for a link where I could email him without getting signed up (to no avail). That told me pretty much everything I needed to know about him. Dude is worse than Milo in my book (I grudgingly have to admit that I only had a few minor issues with Milo's articles about Randi)

 

[AnOminous]

Please change the title of the thread to "Mike Thernovich"

thanks

That would mess up its Google rank.

 

[RI 360]

Looks like he's crossed paths with Margret Pless (she has her own thread here, right?), who discovered he's never actually step foot in a courtroom as a lawyer.

Mike Cernovich: Potemkin Alpha Male



It’s been about a year since I last wrote about Michael C. Cernovich, the part-time lawyer, full-time Internet bum who’s publicly threatened to sue me (that is, when he hasn’t got me confused with Zoe Quinn.) Back then, I smelled a rat – Cernovich claimed to be a successful lawyer, yet he was seemingly no longer was actively practicing law just a year after finally getting his law license; and the address he gave as his law offices turned out to be a rental condominium in a residential neighborhood. Looking at it on Google Street View, there was nothing about the property which suggested it was really a law office, yet it was Cernovich’s address of record to the CA State Bar, and theoretically the place clients sent this big-shot lawyer their checks.

It was one of several details of Cernovich’s life that didn’t add up: why was this high-rolling attorney wasting his time with juicing e-books and blogging? Why did an apparent 2004 Pepperdine Law graduate swinging his credentials around on Twitter seem to have no known record of practicing law? And why did it seemingly take him nine years — until 2013 — to finally be admitted to the California bar? Why pretend his blogging was profitable when his own writings contradicted this statement? Moreover, why was Cernovich so obsessed with projecting an image of wealth, machismo & success on social media, when the facts suggested a far more modest reality?

As a result of my initial post about him, Cernovich threatened to initiate some sort of legal action against me. And I, unwilling to further provoke a guy whom I presumed could litigate on his own behalf for free, decided to put any new Cernovich articles on moratorium.

But in recent weeks I have learned that my fears were unfounded. Cernovich has never sued anyone: although he boasts of having his law blog credited twice in unpublished court decisions, there does not seem to be a single decision from any court in America in which he is credited as acting as counsel — state or federal. He appears to have obtained a law license in 2013 (nine years after graduating law school) yet there is no evidence he did anything with it except posture on the Internet. The closest Cernovich’s ever seems to have gotten to being a practicing lawyer was doing scut legal writing work on contract and blogging about law while being married to a law school classmate. This classmate apparently went on to become an IP attorney with several well-known, hugely successful public tech companies, while Cernovich stayed at home. The financial success Cernovich advertises as his own is almost certainly due to a “seven-figure payday” his ex-wife was forced to give Cernovich from her tech stock awards as part of their divorce settlement. (Michael himself appeared to confirm many of these details in a series of Tweets published and then deleted in the past fortnight.) Yet, in public, Cernovich is more than willing to criticize people who collect alimony.

In fact, much of Cernovich’s personal brand is a deception. Michael advertises his physical fitness as the result of regular workouts, juice diets and “Gorilla Mindset”, but it’s partially the result of testosterone injections. (According to Michael, “the ball shrinkage was 25%, tops.”) His financial success is allegedly the result of his e-book/podcast/men’s websites empire, but it’s likely propped up by the stock windfall Michael took from his ex as part of his divorce settlement. But this money may be dwindling. Nowadays, Cernovich claims to be wandering the globe for “tax purposes”,only briefly visiting the US to promote his self-help books.

Even his diet books are a sham: Cernovich admits on page 1 of “Juice Power!: How to Juice for Healing, Fat Loss, and Lifelong Nutrition” that he juices veg because he dislikes eating them whole, then follows with a lengthy disclaimer indemnifying his recipes.

That said, the recipes in Juice Power! are at least edible, whereas Cernovich’s advice on other topics is either useless or dangerous. Cernovich’s philosophical work ‘Gorilla Mindset’ claims to teach how to control one’s thoughts and emotions to lead a positive life, yet Cernovich routinely loses his temper on Twitter and later deletes the Tweets once he’s calmed down. Assuming the guy who wrote Gorilla Mindset should be the top practitioner of it, you’d expect Cernovich to be a lot less reactive than he is.

But there’s a reason Cernovich goes to pieces so often, seemingly without warning. According to Michael, his mother suffers from bipolar disorder, and Michael himself “had some form of mental illness in [his] late 20s”, which brought him “close to suicide many times”. Though Cernovich claims to have “cured” himself using “N-A-C, proper nutrition, and mindset exercises”, I’m not sure this worked as well as Michael thinks it did. This could explain – in conjunction with his troubles with the law – what appears to be his nine-year, two-bar-exam odyssey to get a license to practice in California.

Michael’s pick-up game is similarly weaksauce. Apart from the aforementioned divorce from a really successful attorney, the “danger and play” dominance technique Cernovich claims women crave may have also gotten him charged with sexual assault. (If you believe Cernovich’s story, he had a devil of a time beating the charges.) Indeed Cernovich’s advice on how to choke your partner during sex sounds like an injury waiting to happen. Cernovich’s belief that ‘defense soap’ on the D is suitable prophylaxis against STIs is similarly risky quackery; as is his claim that “the best condom a man has is the skin on his dick.” (If Cernovich actually used condoms, he’d know that coconut oil, his favorite type of lubricant, degrades the latex and can cause them to tear.) Cernovich’s loony views on masturbation and “super serum” simply belong in another era.

Although Michael claims to be a self-made man, he trolls more well-known men, drafting off their fame to get attention. He’s likely not a practicing lawyer, nor is he really a nutritionist, pick-up master or fitness instructor. In reality, Cernovich is a Twitter bug with a resume of Potemkin accomplishments – his financial success is more than likely the result of a divorce settlement, just as his fitness is based in steroid use. His tales of sexual conquest are just that, and Michael’s legal career is a similarly trumped-up story with little to no basis in fact. And considering the numerous misrepresentations Cernovich has already made to burnish his image, it’s hard to trust that anything he says isn’t a bluff.

This is why there is no reason anyone should be afraid of Cernovich or his boasts – nor should they really feel sorry for him any longer, as I have at times. Pathetic as Cernovich is, he also makes it his mission to stalk and bully others, either out of a lifetime grudge or because he thinks it will get him attention and clicks.

Cernovich is a Potemkin alpha male whose success in life is as artificially inflated as his testosterone levels. He bullies people more famous than himself in order to obtain what are by his own description modest pageviews and z-grade notoriety, and says extreme things he doesn’t believe so reactionary dregs will consider buying his e-books. And as he presumably whittles away his savings from the proceeds of his ex-wife’s hard-earned IPO windfall, I expect he will only become more desperate for attention and money.

 

[Jaimas]

@Jaimas isn't that the Twitter handle of one of the CON Skype cabalists?

For those unaware, in 2014 when Gamergate blew up Cernovich was on the scene and caused so much butthurt from his support for Eron Gjoni and Gamergate that he had Chelsea "Zoe Quinn" Van Valkenberg's anti-Gamergate Skype clique stalking and documenting all of his tweets and planning all sorts of revenge against him because he hurt their fee-fees. Some of them even spent Christmas Day stalking through his online presence.

Yuppers. It was the account of one of the more infamous of Quinn's orbiters, who self-destructed in 2014 by issuing death threats. Their old Twitter handle was snatched by some opportunistic newblet who has no ties to anyone and basically zero posts.

From a GG perspective, Cernovich is a massive asshole, but his contributions meant that he was generally tolerated, because holy shit, this dude had the ability to induce fucking Dynastia-style self-combustions from their side. There are two "big" reasons for this.

1. He openly called Quinn's judgment she originally received against Gjoni the horse-shit it was, and offered to handle part of the appeal pro-bono. As we know now, Quinn really didn't have a case and only got what she wanted because the Judge failed to do their job. Whatever Cernovich's other problems, he called Quinn lock, stock, and barrel, pretty much calling out her entire strategy legally years in advance, and he wasn't shy about talking about it.

2. The far greater sin in Anti-GG's eyes was giving Gamergate a mainstream presence. Cernovich was one to talk about it with his buddies and has some access to high-level people, which made him a real threat in the clique's eyes. This was one part of the biggest reasons that Gamergate blew up the way it did - not because Cernovich himself did anything of note, but because Anti-GG was apoplectic about letting discussion happen, and in their effort to stop it, made it happen anyway, because they've never understood the Streisand Effect.

But if you're interested, I have this thing. It's something actually kind of interesting, should you choose to give it a read. Basically, after 2 years worth of GG analysis, I think I can safely say why the Anti-GGers kept losing their fucking minds. I can now share that knowledge with you all.

Spoiler: GG Is Harassment

So if you ever followed Gamergate, even tangentially, you'll notice three memes that will keep popping up in Anti-GG circles:

1. Gamergate only happened because of misogynistic accusations against Zoe Quinn
2. Women are being harassed by misogynists RIGHT NOW
3. Ergo, we can't discuss the legitimate sides of Gamergate because harassment

That literally is their side's entire argument. As in, all of it. And they've never been able to properly defend it.

Everything Anti-GG stood for, everything Anti-GG was throwing down on centered around either these, or sliming Gamergate as hard and as autistically as possible. If you dared suggest Gamergate was anything other than the prevailing narrative, you were obviously in league with the misogynerds, shitlord.

It's honestly both hilarious and disturbing just how deep-seated this belief was in GG's opposition, to the point where almost everything they did for almost seven months was centered around suppressing Gamergate (fat lot of good it did them, mind you). Disturbing because the Skype and Trello chat logs from Quinn's camp specifically set up an "enemies list" of people who needed to be silenced or destroyed, lest Gamergate gain anything resembling legitimacy and the entire house of cards came tumbling down. Hilarious because even with de-facto contol of Twitter, Reddit, even 4chan, and they couldn't manage to keep the dissidents from calling their bullshit. They went out of their way to try to crush anyone who could get the word out that Gamergate wasn't exactly what they said it was.

That's why they threatened Boogie. That's why they went nuclear on TotalBiscuit. That's why they tried this fucking shambles. That's why they sent bomb threats to GG meetups. They wanted to prevent it from gaining ground, and they didn't care how shameless they were about it. They even did dedicated false-flagging campaigns and entire attempts to honeypot Gamergate, every single one of which wound up blowing up in their face.

Fig 1.1: Teridax, a faggot who repeatedly tried to bribe people into pushing Quinn's narrative.

Everything Anti-GG's "core" did was centered around deeming Gamergate illegitimate and more critically, stopping discussion of it entirely. From the countless false-flagging campaigns to the autistic comments wars, from Dan Olson's ill-fated expedition to prove there was Child Porn on 8chan (with a chat channel honeypot, surely by coincidence, that happened to have the same IP address as SJWiki) to get 8chan defunded, to Arthur Chu's aforementioned "DISCUSSING GAMERGATE AT ALL IS MAKING HARASSMENT HAPPEN" meltdown on David Pakman's show - all of it was centered around the foreknowledge that if GG had even a sliver of mainstream appeal, they were seven steps past fucked.

What's even funnier about this is that they couldn't even set up a cogent argument against GG. They ran screaming like bitches the second anyone in GG tried to get them to a debating platform because they knew they'd fucking lose, and badly. Even in conversations between Antis and Neutrals, they came across as unhinged and unable to properly explain shit. And that's when they weren't sending death threats.

This decision to suppress, ironically, is what led to it blowing up.

 

[AnOminous]

1. He openly called Quinn's judgment she originally received against Gjoni the horse-shit it was, and offered to handle part of the appeal pro-bono.

That wasn't a judgment. It was a preliminary injunction, not an ultimate decision on the merits of the case.

 

[BigCountry]

Cernovich is so macho that he's still living off the huge alimony he got from his wife in their divorce. He apparently rakes in thousands of dollars a month from his much more successful ex-wife. He lives off that money and parleyed that financial freedom into a career of writing shitty self-help books and tweeting.

Its like a reverse Brendan Fraser. Just fuck my shit up indeed.

 

[parallelogram]

I have a hard time being on board with anything this guy says or does. He's so up his own ass and his ego is so overblown you can practically hear his stiffy as he Tweets about himself.
Online journalism is a tricky subject these days because doucheweasles like this guy are at the forefront.

 

[muina]

Lol your BMI is north of 35 isn't it?

Do you slowly die whenever a prominent alt-righter is mocked?

 

[CervixHammer]

okay, when's the debate with Brianna Wu?

 

[yuna]

not sure whether to be more disturbed by the fact that he did this or by the fact that he felt the need to tweet about doing it...

 

[exposethebad]

I love when butthurt leftists confuse 'wah I don't like his political opinions REEEEEEE' and being a lolcow

Agreed. It is so humorous to watch them throw temper tantrums while not recognizing that whatever they say, do, think, or whatever will make no difference at this point and their days of acting in the way they act is about to make their lives considerably worse come January. Still though, it is quite amusing watching beta's think some masculine dude is a meanie poopoo head.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

not sure whether to be more disturbed by the fact that he did this or by the fact that he felt the need to tweet about doing it...

We have all done it but yeah most of us don't tweet about it