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Well looking at your post history you spend a lot more time here than I do.
lol You just love coming here and arguing, Mike 'cause no one else puts up with your shit.

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Well looking at your post history you spend a lot more time here than I do.
You got beat up quite a lot in school then. Another piece of the autism puzzle that is Michael Coombs, welsh paki pedophile.It's funny how your "we mock you" re-worked "he can't punch me now I'm on the internet" playground dogpile still results in all of you coming across as stupid though isn't it.
lol You just love coming here and arguing, Mike 'cause no one else puts up with your shit.
You got beat up quite a lot in school then. Another piece of the autism puzzle that is Michael Coombs, welsh paki pedophile.
You're not denying that you got beat up in school quite often.How can you possibly derive that from what I wrote. Oh, the making shit up school of writing.
It's you that feels the need to dogpile anonymously on the internet. Getting one back at a cruel world?
You're not denying that you got beat up in school quite often.
Ah, but it's what you aren't saying that says everything.If you haven't noticed I'm giving you exactly no information about anything assclown.
The jews are in control of the world. It's why he had to run off to Asia to fuck little boys and girls.It must be bewildering and upsetting to feel like jews are in control of your world,
Ah, but it's what you aren't saying that says everything.
In all sincerity I'm sorry you've had such a rough life, and feel so inferior to everyone. It must be bewildering and upsetting to feel like jews are in control of your world, and keeping you from getting the love and recognition you feel you deserve. Nobody should have to go through life that way.
The jews are in control of the world.
It's why he had to run off to Asia to fuck little boys and girls.
You were bullied as fuck lolIf you haven't noticed I'm giving you exactly no information about anything assclown.
You were bullied as fuck lol
You deny that you are bullied as a child then?The lady doth protest too much, methinks
Sorry, I called you a lady with poetic license. Of course in reality you're a worthless cow.
You deny that you are bullied as a child then?
You deny that you are bullied as a child then?
Do you write a lot of essays, Mike? Or maybe you have a manifesto you're working on in preparation for things to come? One of great things about eccentrics in previous eras of the Internet is that they would write long posts or essays full of crazy shit.
For purposes of clarity, I'm going to answer Marc's points
somewhat out of sequence.
In article <3ksh6b$65o@news.xs4all.nl>, Marc <hingh@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>Ever observed a group of babboons in the zoo?
>Social primates definitely live by the 'dominator paradigm'. There is no
>reason to assume the human nature is different in this respect.
I don't think baboons are the most highly evolved of the
non-human primates. There is a species called bonobos which are
much more peaceful than baboons, or even chimps, and are highly
intelligent (can learn sign language, make simple tools, etc.).
They have sex in situations where other apes would fight (they
also have homosexuality, among both genders).
>Mark Bilk seems to turns things round: in his view, the civilized
>attitude is the natural state, and the dominator culture a virus (meme
>complex).
I'm think it is very difficult to assign a meaning to the term
"natural state". Once animals reach a sufficient level of
intelligence, they communicate emotions and ideas to each other,
including to their young. This is culture. So they always have
a meme pool, which, of course, mutates and evolves much faster
than their gene pool.
So, if "natural state" is meant to signify "without, or apart
from the effects of, culture", I don't think such a state can
ever exist, at least under anything like normal conditions.
Thus if "natural state" has this meaning (and I don't know what
other meaning to give it), I think it is not a valid concept--
i.e., it has no referent in reality.
Humans (as well as apes) are born in a very immature state, and
have a long childhood, requiring a great deal of parental care.
So if one were to take an infant away from its mother and allow
it to grow up on its own in order to see how a "natural" person
would behave, one would have in fact placed that individual in a
very unnatural and stressful situation, which would cause the
fight/flight/freeze instincts to chronically activate, with the
usual results.
In effect, we seem to have evolved genetically to the point where
at least some degree of culture is *required* for our successful
existence.
>Our genetic tendency towards dominance is compensated by what we call
>'civilization', which is a result of memetic evolution.
I think you are right about this, but only up to a point. There
is a degree of instinct for domination genetically built into
humans and other primates, particularly the males, but in dominator
cultures, the environmental influence toward domination far exceeds
the genetic influence. The proof of this is in the historical
existence of stable partnership cultures--if the dominator state
were mostly genetically motivated, these cultures could not have
existed, yet they were in the great majority.
The state of human existence called Emotional Plague (Dominator
Culture) is an emotionally and memetically *infectious* condition
consisting of chronic (usually low-level) activation of the
emergency fight/flight/freeze instincts, resulting in more or
less chronic fear, rage, breathing inhibition, passivity,
muscular armoring, sexual dysfunction, etc.
If this state occurs in a sufficient fraction of the people in a
community (due to a real emergency such as starvation), it may
(but does not always) become part of the culture, and is then
transmitted from parents (and other adults) to children by means
of emotional and physical abuse. (The word "abuse" is not meant
to connote blameworthiness on the part of the parents--in their
emotionally ill state, they believe they are raising their
children in a way that will benefit them.)
This is how the Plague got started, in several unrelated cultures
in various areas of the world, perhaps 5-7000 years ago. These
dominator cultures then spread the disease by war and enslavement.
Does it make sense to consider this state simply to be "our
genetic tendency towards dominance" ? I don't think so, because
in the absence of overwhelming deadly emergencies (and in the
absence of external attack by Plague-infected people) humans did
*not* live in this state.
Up to about 5,000 years ago most human cultures were far less
dominating, violent, and patriarchal than they are today. Most
people lived in a peaceful type of culture (Partnership Culture)
that had evolved almost everywhere, and it *was* a stable state.
Almost all of humanity was converted to the Dominator Culture
*only* by external infection, from a few original foci of
emotionally ill groups of people that spread their ideas and
emotions by war and conquest. It's also important to note
that in most cases the conquered people were more advanced than
their conquerors in technology, agriculture, literature,
architecture, cooperative social organization, etc., in every
way except in the technology of organized mass murder (war).
Thus, (collections of) humans have the genetic *capability* of
being forced into the Dominator state, which is then (often)
memetically and emotionally stable, and highly infectious. But
the Partnership state is *also* memetically/emotionally stable,
and in fact evolved first. I'd tend therefore to call *it*
"natural", but that word is overloaded with so many meanings
that it might best be avoided. The history of the two types
of culture has to be explained at length and in full; it can't
be condensed into a single word.
Consider the analogy, in the biological realm, of the prion
disease scrapie (Creutzfeld-Jakob disease, Kuru). Everyone has
the gene to make the prion protein (PrP), which can exist in two
different physical shapes, one harmless and one fatal.
A molecule in the deadly configuration occasionally arises, and
it has the peculiar ability to transform other PrP molecules into
its own shape, by physical contact (akin to crystal formation).
Once a few of these deadly molecules occur in a person's brain,
they continue to multiply, and kill him within a few years.
If the infected tissue comes into sufficient contact with healthy
people (ritual consumption of the recent dead, formerly in New
Guinea, organ transplants, etc.), then the disease can spread
to them.
So all humans (and many, if not all, other mammals) have the
genetic capability of producing the deadly scrapie molecule, and
once they start doing so, it results in a *stable state* of
ever-increasing production and even contagion (until that
particular host dies).
But the state of not producing *any* scrapie protein is also
stable (and fortunately, usual).
Now suppose there were a similar disease scrapie-X that was more
easily contagious, but that instead of killing by spongiform
encephalopathy within a few years, produced a chronic state
of anger and greed in the people it infected, leading them to
attack others and thus to spread the prion via the resulting skin
abrasions (much like rabies in some animals), but left them
alive.
Scrapie-X would transform the entire culture of those whom it
infected, producing myths and laws to indoctrinate people with
specific ideas of a jealous, angry God, and the divine rightness
of enslavement and slaughter of disbelievers. It might well
spread by conquest to nearly all the world's people. Five
thousand years later, the resulting almost universal human
condition of anger, greed, and violence might well be considered
to be the normal, *natural* human state, for lack of a standard
of comparison. Only a few archaeologists would be able to
interpret the evidence from thousands of years ago, and only a
few anthropologists would be aware of the handful of still-
existing uninfected cultures. Almost all human babies would be
infected within a year or two of birth.
Scientists (like Reich, Gimbutas, Eisler, etc.) who discovered
that the now-universal anger and violence are actually the
result of an *infectious disease* would be ridiculed as crackpots.
After all, everybody "knows" that that's just how people are--
it's simply "human nature".
Unfortunately, the actual situation, in which the pathogen is
mimetic/emotional rather than biological, is much *harder* to
demonstrate and correct, because memes can't be isolated as
discrete objects in a test tube, visualized with an electron
microscope, and injected into test subjects, like biological
viruses and prions.
Most people automatically think that their view of the world is
the way things *really are*. In fact, most people don't even
realize that they *have* a "view" of the world--they simply
believe that they perceive and conceive it the way it really *is*.
These few scientists are trying to tell people (in the words of
the '60's hippies) that "almost everything you know, is wrong".
And the wrongest things of all are those at the very core of our
culture--most of the Bible and Christianity, patriotism, racism,
unrestricted capitalism, anti-socialism, machismo, blaming,
conservative "family values", i.e., patriarchy, antisexuality,
homophobia, opposition to birth control and divorce, etc.
>Which perspective is right?
>Could it be that our dominator culture is due to a shortage of viruses?
>From the archaelogical record, it appears that as humans acquired
ever higher levels of knowledge and technology, their culture
(meme pool) evolved in the Partnership direction. One may view
this as a symbiotic relationship between genetically programmed
(and evolving) human organisms, and beneficial memetic viruses.
The only problem with this terminology is that, almost without
exception, the word "virus", in the biological realm, is used to
label something that harms its host. This is because biological
viruses are very hard to detect, and so people have only studied
the pathogenic ones. I don't know if any totally harmless, much
less beneficial, biological viruses have been discovered, but I'm
sure that they exist. (Of course, harmless, and even beneficial,
computer viruses have been created.)
Given the connotation of "virus" I would prefer to use a term like
"meme complex" to mean any collection of ideas and emotions that
replicates by means of human minds, and to reserve "virus" for
those that harm the host.
So, Dominator Culture is now in control because the original
Partnership meme complex, which evolved all over the world, was
supplanted (and often destroyed by force, along with its hosts)
by the Dominator meme complex (virus), which arose in only a
few places, but was very infectious (evangelistic).
The remedy certainly must include the introduction and propagation
of Partnership memes (kindness, cooperation, sharing, tolerance,
feminism, liberalism, freedom, pro-sexuality, relaxation,
non-competition, etc.) as well as immunization against the
Dominator memes.
If you have some of your work that is of similar "value" I would consider reading it.
Your pause between "I don't deny it" and "I don't confirm it" told me everything I needed to know.I didn't confirm it either. I simply ignored the question. Try to pay attention.
Your pause between "I don't deny it" and "I don't confirm it" told me everything I needed to know.
Why not just write "I neither confirm nor deny it?"
Either that, or you're just slow-witted.Wow. You just found out everything you needed to know from a pause between two empty statements. Do you have extra sensory perception? I envy you.
What do you find most eccentric about my views?
Sure, I admitted I'm attracted to 15 year olds.
What's the matter Mike? Did little Rachel Schwartz ignore you when you pulled on her pigtails in second grade?
Either that, or you're just slow-witted.