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This is completely false. Christians resisted the invasion and Jews facilitated it, as a generalisation.

No, they didn't. Their Emperor was dead and none of his relatives were in Constantinople to serve as a focus of rebellion. His surviving brothers in the Morea were forced to submit to the Sultan and dispensed with at the earliest opportunity. The people of Constantinople saw submitting to the Ottomans (who, as Muslims, would at least tolerate them as dhimmis) as preferable to being a precarious outpost of Venice (their only other real option), who had failed to hold the old imperial co-capital of Thessaloniki against the Ottomans, and who, as Catholics, they hated anyway.
 
Don't think this was asked, but what is your opinion of the average jew?

Most Jews aren't involved with the high level stuff but they tend to be pro Jewish rather than neutral.

No, they didn't. Their Emperor was dead and none of his relatives were in Constantinople to serve as a focus of rebellion. His surviving brothers in the Morea were forced to submit to the Sultan and dispensed with at the earliest opportunity. The people of Constantinople saw submitting to the Ottomans as preferable to being a precarious outpost of Venice (their only other real option), who had failed to hold the old imperial co-capital of Thessaloniki against the Ottomans, and who, as Catholics, they hated anyway.

Right, so that's why the Ottomans had to storm the walls.
 
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Right, so that's why the Ottomans had to storm the walls.

You're moving the goalposts. We were specifically talking about the Christian citizenry, after the walls had been breached and the Emperor was dead. To single out the Jews for capitulating at that point when the Christians of the city did exactly the same is intellectually dishonest.
 
You're moving the goalposts. We were specifically talking about the Christian citizenry, after the walls had been breached and the Emperor was dead. To single out the Jews for capitulating at that point is idiotic.

No, you're moving the goalposts. I cited the fall of Constantinople. Why on Earth would what happened after the Christian surrender be relevant?

High level stuff would mean there's a separation and purposeful inclusion on the greater idea. Hence... An Illuminati.

I'm talking about academia media finance and politics.
 
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No, you're moving the goalposts. I cited the fall of Constantinople. Why on Earth would what happened after the Christian surrender be relevant?

Because the Ottomans didn't magically reach the Jewish quarter before breaching the walls and defeating the remaining Byzantine garrison. The Jews capitulated with the rest of the city, they didn't facilitate it's fall and you have failed to prove otherwise.
 
What about the migrant crisis in Europe? Do you think the jews are behind that too, even if jews are leaving as more "migrants" enter?
 
Because the Ottomans didn't magically reach the Jewish quarter before breaching the walls and defeating the remaining Byzantine garrison. The Jews capitulated with the rest of the city, they didn't facilitate it's fall and you have failed to prove otherwise.

You're confused. They breached the walls at the Jewish quarter and went through it, continuing to fight.
 
I'm talking about academia media finance and politics.
Still sounds about as plausible as "Bush did 9/11"

A race of people with a decades (or hell Centuries) long game of uncoordinated actions effecting the highest level of social structure with a single goal of bringing down white people for no discernible reason other than "They're Jews... that's what they do."?
 
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What about the migrant crisis in Europe? Do you think the jews are behind that too, even if jews are leaving as more "migrants" enter?

Sure, ultimately. It's a complex history though. I can't really address 5 hostile questioners on different subjects at the same time. Get back to me on it.

Still sounds about as plausible as "Bush did 9/11"

A race of people with a decades (or hell Centuries) long game of uncoordinated actions effecting the highest level of social structure with a single goal of bringing down white people for no discernible reason other than "They're Jews... that's what they do."?

That isn't what I said and we've been over this. We said it was more of an organic process remember, an interaction between two different groups rather than a goal directed organised effort of all Jews. Of course at the individual level there are goals, and pro Jewish motives. But I don't see a central committee. There are more sentiments of policy in the Jewish community.
 
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You're confused. They breached the walls at the Jewish quarter and went through it, continuing to fight.

They breached the walls in the north-west near Blachernae Palace, and I doubt the imperial palace was in the Jewish quarter. And there was no real fighting after the walls were breached, just pillaging. The soldiery either died in the last stand, committed suicide by jumping off the walls, the Venetians and Genoese fled to escape via the Golden Horn, and the surviving native troops went home to protect their families.

The point being, it was widely understood it was all over once the walls were breached. There was no way the Byzantines and their paltry Western reinforcements could hold the city against such a huge army once it was inside the walls. The Jews could hardly have facilitated an invasion that had already succeeded.
 
They breached the walls in the north-west near Blachernae Palace, and I doubt the imperial palace was in the Jewish quarter. And there was no real fighting after the walls were breached, just pillaging. The soldiery either died in the last stand, committed suicide by jumping off the walls, the Venetians and Genoese fled to escape via the Golden Horn, and the surviving native troops went home to protect their families.

The point being, it was widely understood it was all over once the walls were breached. There was no way the Byzantines and their paltry Western reinforcements could hold the city against such a huge army once it was inside the walls. The Jews could hardly have facilitated an invasion that had already succeeded.

So let's say for the sake of argument they didn't.

How about the Islamic invasion of Spain?

Cool summary of Wikipedia BTW.
 
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I can't comment because as I've said, I'm not familiar with pre-medieval Spanish history.

King Egica’s (r. 687–702) anti-Semitic virulence was remarkable even for a Visigoth. At the Sixteenth Toledo Council in November 695, his demands that the high clergy assent to the imposition of draconian measures presented Jews with intolerable dilemmas: emigration; forced conversion; impoverishment; and worse. Some emigrated, more converted (temporarily), while some of their leaders reached out to their coreligionists in North Africa and Mesopotamia. In ways that now elude precision, it seems obvious that Jews appealed to Arabs for relief from the Visigothic “final solution.” “We can hardly doubt that the Jews of Spain looked upon the Arabs as liberators,” the distinguished medievalist Richard Fletcher concluded. A furious Egica had reached the same conclusion and promptly instigated the Seventeenth Toledo Council, at which grave charges of treasonous plottings within and without the realm were drawn up against Jews. Evidence was presented of secret Jewish appeals for help in undermining the monarchy—those secret contacts with Jewish communities in Egypt and with the Muslims who were just then adding North Africa to the Dar al-Islam. It was recalled that Jews had sided with Muslims during the second rashidun caliph’s siege of Jerusalem. The council’s decrees were pitiless. Barring conversion, all adult Jews were to be sold as slaves and their children distributed among Christian families.

Meanwhile, the second division under Zeyd Ibn Kassed, had proceeded, without delay, to conquer Malaga and overrun its Comarca. He met with little resistance, and was soon able to send or take a strong detachment to Gharnatta, the Medina or capital of the district of Al-Birah. they found no opposition; and here, also, they found a large number of Jews, well advised of their coming and their purpose, ready to welcome the invader, and glad to find in the Berber ranks many of their brethren, who, although converted to Islam, retained the instincts of consanguineous blood. Into their hands, Zeyd gave the government of Gharnattah, assured of their energetic co-operation in the Moslem schemes. The number of Jews in that town and the power reposed in their hands, caused the place to be called, in all its earlier history, Gharnatta- al-Yahood, Granada of the Jews.
 
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Still sounds about as plausible as "Bush did 9/11"

A race of people with a decades (or hell Centuries) long game of uncoordinated actions effecting the highest level of social structure with a single goal of bringing down white people for no discernible reason other than "They're Jews... that's what they do."?

That isn't what I said and we've been over this.

This is quite literally what you've said, but with all the bullshit boiled down and side arguments and distractions stripped away.

1) You think there's a concerted effort to bring down White People by the Jews.

It's simply in the nature of Jews as a culture and race to oppose White and especially Nordic societies.

2) You think there's Jewish people in specific positions of power to accomplish this goal.

I'm talking about academia media finance and politics.

3) You believe there's probably no centralized regime that is trying to accomplish this goal.

Organically would be an apt word for the idea. Its just a theory. Maybe there is a central council, but I doubt it. Some combination of congregational coordination and individual reaction is likely.

4) You admit there's no evidence of an endgame or reasoning to this goal.

There is no end game, just an interaction effect. Not even really a conspiracy. They may even be shooting themselves in the foot. Like when a parasite kills its host. Its jus what they do.


Please tell me where I cocked up that summation?
 
King Egica’s (r. 687–702) anti-Semitic virulence was remarkable even for a Visigoth. At the Sixteenth Toledo Council in November 695, his demands that the high clergy assent to the imposition of draconian measures presented Jews with intolerable dilemmas: emigration; forced conversion; impoverishment; and worse. Some emigrated, more converted (temporarily), while some of their leaders reached out to their coreligionists in North Africa and Mesopotamia. In ways that now elude precision, it seems obvious that Jews appealed to Arabs for relief from the Visigothic “final solution.” “We can hardly doubt that the Jews of Spain looked upon the Arabs as liberators,” the distinguished medievalist Richard Fletcher concluded. A furious Egica had reached the same conclusion and promptly instigated the Seventeenth Toledo Council, at which grave charges of treasonous plottings within and without the realm were drawn up against Jews. Evidence was presented of secret Jewish appeals for help in undermining the monarchy—those secret contacts with Jewish communities in Egypt and with the Muslims who were just then adding North Africa to the Dar al-Islam. It was recalled that Jews had sided with Muslims during the second rashidun caliph’s siege of Jerusalem. The council’s decrees were pitiless. Barring conversion, all adult Jews were to be sold as slaves and their children distributed among Christian families.

So a demographic will attempt to overthrow a regime that persecutes it and replace it with a more tolerant one? Mind-boggling.

It would take a lot of mental acrobatics to use this to claim that Jews want to use Muslims to systematically destroy whitey.
 
This is quite literally what you've said, but with all the bullshit boiled down and side arguments and distractions stripped away.

1) You think there's a concerted effort to bring down White People by the Jews.
2) You think there's Jewish people in specific positions of power to accomplish this goal.
3) You believe there's probably no centralized regime that is trying to accomplish this goal.
4) You admit there's no evidence of an endgame or reasoning to this goal.
Please tell me where I cocked up that summation?

It's quite accurate. I wouldn't necessarily use the word "concerted". What do you mean by it?

So a demographic will attempt to overthrow a regime that persecutes it and replace it with a more tolerant one? Mind-boggling.

It would take a lot of mental acrobatics to use this to claim that Jews want to use Muslims to systematically destroy whitey.

No, quite understandable. Why did you dispute it?

Look this 2 debates at the same time (with random pricks calling me a "short pedophile") is becoming tiresome. I might take this up later.
 
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