Military Plane discussion thread - Let’s talk Fighter/Attacker planes.

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Fun fact, I have a CPL and used to do things like military gear

Not saying what specifically as it may make me doxxable
 
TiggerNits said:
The gun sucks. We'd do CAS exercises with A-10's all the time at Barry Goldwater and our 25mm was about the same efficacy as their 30, though they were slightly more accurate, but still couldn't penetrate anything more armored than an early model Patton. It's not even any better for rooting out infantry in light cover than a 20mm vulcan. The real teeth to the A-10 is the pilots being extremely dedicated and professional, along with having a ton of capacity to carry bombs. Their loiter time is really good, but the amount of time it takes them to link up with a tanker when they're getting low and then get back on station negates that a little, too.

Reality is if I was an infantry officer or JTAC in contact with enemies in cover, I'd rather have an Apache, Predator or Rhino/Strike Eagle, the Apache and pred will provide better overall SA to me. The Rhino and Eagle will get there much faster, with the ability to self lase/designate targets I can point out and do so quickly (dude in the backseat is seriously under rated, but I digress) if the A-10 is already there and I have something to designate with, the the A-10 is good, but if I'm getting swarmed and worried about getting ambushed and/or enemy reinforcements coming, I want something better.


That said, the A-10 is still better than the Harrier in every way except takeoff and landing roll so I really can't talk too much shit
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You are right, just one pedantic correction though. The A-10 is one of the few fixed wing aircraft that can actually launch Hellfire missiles. So, for a very long time, it was the best tank killer the Air force had. The JAGM program will allow the faster aircraft to deploy a better Anti-Tank Missile.

We would have already had the JAGM, but it was canceled three separate times.
 
BONE_Buddy said:
You are right, just one pedantic correction though. The A-10 is one of the few fixed wing aircraft that can actually launch Hellfire missiles. So, for a very long time, it was the best tank killer the Air force had. The JAGM program will allow the faster aircraft to deploy a better Anti-Tank Missile.

We would have already had the JAGM, but it was canceled three separate times.
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Yeah, the hog's still solid platform and i always feel bad taking shots at it


And for my pedantic point: mavericks kill tanks really good. Plus the Marines actually have put hellfires on KC130s in 2013 and have used them in Afghan, because of fucking course we did that shit is extremely some ol bullshit we'd pull.
 
BONE_Buddy said:
2. weapon capacity. If you want more than a couple of bombs, and a box of auto-cannon ammo, then you are going to have to either put on multiple engines, or switch it out for a jet engine. It it really worth the cost of training up a group of specialist maintainers and pilots, as well as a separate supply chain, just to give an overwatch capability that can be done by your recon drones who are already doing overwatch already.
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Austere runways/forward resupply points. If it works for spray planes, It'll work for CAS. Ties in with farming out support to host country units, too.
 
Muzzilicious said:
For guns and direct combat sake, yah, I totally agree. But what bout all those smart systems and battle management stuff the 35 has?
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Hell, if we're talking pure numbers for CAS and integrated capability, the Bone has flown more hours, delivered more ordnance and done it with a lot more endurance once on station than the A-10

Also Boeing's new pitch to replace the Kiowa, Apache and some Army drone assets

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Fly the F35 for CAS roles when fighting other nation states and purchase the Super Tucano for COIN work. Everyone wins.
 
TiggerNits said:
Hell, if we're talking pure numbers for CAS and integrated capability, the Bone has flown more hours, delivered more ordnance and done it with a lot more endurance once on station than the A-10

Also Boeing's new pitch to replace the Kiowa, Apache and some Army drone assets

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The fuck is this bug looking motherfucker!? This is the X-32 all over again.
 
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Donbasstard said:
Zero divisions. Zero paratroopers. It was designed to carry our space shuttle and one example was built developed from the 124 which is for heavy strategic airlift- like moving heavy machinery components.
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Actually it was designed to carry the Buran shuttle the Soviets built. NASA used modified 747s to haul the shuttle around. But this jet was modified from an Antonov Soviet military jet, basically their version of the C5 Galaxy.

Edit: I do believe this one did haul our shuttle a few times after the Iron Curtain fell, but mostly the job was handled by 747s.
 
The Dude said:
Actually it was designed to carry the Buran shuttle the Soviets built. NASA used modified 747s to haul the shuttle around. But this jet was modified from an Antonov Soviet military jet, basically their version of the C5 Galaxy.

Edit: I do believe this one did haul our shuttle a few times after the Iron Curtain fell, but mostly the job was handled by 747s.
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I was born in the Soviet Union. I live in Russia, so when I say ‘our’ I was meaning Buran. Forgive me for the confusion.
 
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