Military Plane discussion thread - Let’s talk Fighter/Attacker planes.

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I'm saying this as a former harrier guy, but planning to suck so bad you lose your runways is a bad starting place for designing a fucking airplane
One bit that frequently goes unmentioned is the Soviet Union had two separate air forces, the VVS (Air Force) and the PVO (Air Defense Force), with two different missions. The PVO was essentially designed around the assumption they would be fighting a protracted war from damaged airfields.

The head-scratcher here is that the MiG-29 was fielded by the VVS, not the PVO. I don't know much about this, but I can't help but wonder if the MiG-29 had some features designed to appeal to the PVO even though it was ultimately a VVS machine.
 
One bit that frequently goes unmentioned is the Soviet Union had two separate air forces, the VVS (Air Force) and the PVO (Air Defense Force), with two different missions. The PVO was essentially designed around the assumption they would be fighting a protracted war from damaged airfields.

The head-scratcher here is that the MiG-29 was fielded by the VVS, not the PVO. I don't know much about this, but I can't help but wonder if the MiG-29 had some features designed to appeal to the PVO even though it was ultimately a VVS machine.
It was made for 2 purposes, one to fight the F-15 and F-16 and the other was to sell to allies who had really shit-tier airfield and airframe maintenance once they ran their 21s and 23s in to the ground. Supposedly though, in the early 80s the Soviet procurement system had a hate-boner for MiG and were actively sending their better turbine and avionics guys to Sukoi and Tupalev
 
I watched this movie recently and upon a closer look, the BF109s were apparently repainted P-40 fighters. And the Spits were probably the versions 2 and beyond. I guess the Mosquito and Beaufighter came way later down the road.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lsCLMPLlVdU
The Bf 109’s in that movie were actually a Spanish version of the 109 with Hispano-Suiza engines (although I believe the fighters in the movie were powered with Rolls-Royce engines), which is why they look a little off. A couple of them were also painted to look like Hawker Hurricanes as they didn’t have enough flyable versions for the film. The Heinkel He 111 bombers were also Spanish.
 
I'm saying this as a former harrier guy, but planning to suck so bad you lose your runways is a bad starting place for designing a fucking airplane
I don't think the plane was built around that feature considering how agile it is in the air. Rough runway capabilities just extends the plane's scope of operation in war time, like the venerable C-130. The 737-200 also had an option for rough runways and the newly produced Pilatus PC-24 is also rated for gravel type bush landings.
 
I don't think the plane was built around that feature considering how agile it is in the air. Rough runway capabilities just extends the plane's scope of operation in war time, like the venerable C-130. The 737-200 also had an option for rough runways and the newly produced Pilatus PC-24 is also rated for gravel type bush landings.
I feel like we should have a general aviation sperg thread (not just military), but since you mentioned the 732, here’s a video of the 732’s gravel kit in action. Nolinor’s birds are fantastic. Have had the privilege of seeing their kitted 732, albeit not in action.
 
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F-16 is so kwai. And I wonder how come the USAF hasn't adopted the latest F-16 block series or the D version.

 
F-16 is so kwai. And I wonder how come the USAF hasn't adopted the latest F-16 block series or the D version.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xVTJYATMnCY
Strike Eagles do the strike mission better, older F16s are much lighter, faster and more nimble in BFM with the same weapons available.

Really the newer blocks are a downgrade to our Air Force because the only thing they'd offer if extended range, but we have enough aerial tankers to make it a moot point
 
F-16 is so kwai. And I wonder how come the USAF hasn't adopted the latest F-16 block series or the D version.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xVTJYATMnCY
The F-16 will always be the first love for me. I used to fix their engines, a shame that the airframes in service now are as good as they're gonna get. That said, a lot of what we had to do to make some of the old vipers fly was kinda nutty. We're talking canning enough shit out of the one Red X shop queen to hollow it out because some of the OEMs don't exist anymore and none of the existing contractors make parts that analog. It takes a long time for the boneyard special to show up at LRS so better to reuse what you have from an already stricken aircraft.

As to why we don't buy new ones? I think it was sunk-cost thinking and tunnel-vision on the JSF program. Don't get me wrong, I think the F-35A is a great plane for BVR engagements and standoff engagements of SAM/AA sites but it is no viper. They have a charm and a mission but I can't help feeling bittersweet about it all. I had to retrain when the vipers left for the 35s and like fuck was I going to get lumped in with the AMXS boys in that new-fangled 2A3X7 AFS. Staying on the component side of MXG was a good decision even if it meant having to go back to Sheppard.
 
Russia unveils the Sukhoi Su-75 "Checkmate"
"Russia has unveiled the Sukhoi Checkmate, a new fifth-generation fighter jet intended to supplement the Su-57 and conquer the international market. A mockup of the aircraft was presented in a grand ceremony on the opening day of the MAKS airshow in Moscow on July 20, 2021.

“We have been working on the project for just slightly longer than one year. Such a fast development cycle was possible only with the help of advanced computer technologies and virtual testing,” Yuri Slyusar, CEO of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), said at the event.

According to the manufacturer, the aircraft is already prepared for testing, which may mean that a prototype is either manufactured or is going to be prepared in the near future. No further information regarding the deadlines was revealed, although Russian media reports that there are plans to perform the maiden flight by 2023 and start deliveries in 2026. The aircraft has also not been purchased by the Russian military, which explains the lack of a model number. Slyusar explained that the development was an initiative of Rostec, using company's own finances.

The Checkmate is going to be a fifth-generation single-engine supersonic fighter jet with stealth features, internal weapon bays, and short take-off capability. According to Rostec, maximum speed of the aircraft is Mach 1.8, the range is 2,800 kilometers (1,740 miles), and the payload capacity is 7,400 kilograms (16,300 pounds).

The manufacturer also claims that the jet is equipped with an advanced artificial intelligence system which acts as a “copilot”, as well as features high modularity and thus can be easily developed into different versions, such as twin-seat and unmanned, depending on the requirements of a client.
 
This looks awesome, but Checkmate is a dorky name to give a fighter plane. They need to give it a badass name, such as the Thunderhawk, or the Imperial Eagle *sigh*
I think the alternative is "Screamer", maybe an odd Slavic translation.

These guys run all the newest stuff through DCS. I'm curious to see how quickly the Su-57 will get modeled.

 
I think the alternative is "Screamer", maybe an odd Slavic translation.

These guys run all the newest stuff through DCS. I'm curious to see how quickly the Su-57 will get modeled.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kwq338oE1yQ
The reapers are the biggest fucking jokes. They all try to act like old school fighter pilots and not a single one of them understands anything about aviation that can't be gleaned from a 20 minute podcast. Their tutorial videos for DCS are hysterical because the entire time they're correcting themselves after doing something wrong
 
I'll be honest, the YF-23 Black Widow II is my favorite 5th Generation Fighter because the airframe is beautiful. Too bad it never saw service because it just had to be less practical than the F-22 Raptor.
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I'll be honest, the YF-23 Black Widow II is my favorite 5th Generation Fighter because the airframe is beautiful. Too bad it never saw service because it just had to be less practical than the F-22 Raptor.
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I've stated this itt, but if you look at the F22A compared to the YF22, you realize they paid Northrop a lot of money to borrow their better ideas
 
Nice backdrop for the show:
Fliegerschiessen at Axalp is an airshow where Swiss F/A-18 Hornets and formerly F-5E Tiger jets practice target shooting with live ammunition. The demo takes place every year in October.
 
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