Millions of Résumés Never Make It Past the Bots. One Man Is Trying to Find Out Why - Sure is a mystery aka maybe the bots are based


Millions of Résumés Never Make It Past the Bots. One Man Is Trying to Find Out Why.​

After more than 100 unsuccessful job applications, Derek Mobley sued software firm Workday for discrimination, claiming its algorithm screened him out​


By
Lauren Weber

| Photographs by Angela Owens/WSJ
June 22, 2025 8:00 pm ET

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‘There’s a standard bell curve in statistics. It didn’t make sense that my failure rate was 100%,’ said Mobley.
U.S. job hunters submit millions of online applications every year. Often they get an automatic rejection or no response at all, never knowing if they got a fair shake from the algorithms that gatekeep today’s job market.
One worker, Derek Mobley, is trying to discover why.
Mobley, an IT professional in North Carolina, applied for more than 100 jobs during a stretch of unemployment from 2017 to 2019 and for a few years after. He was met with rejection or silence each time. Sometimes the rejection emails arrived in the middle of the night or within an hour of submitting his application.
Mobley, now 50 years old, noticed that many of the companies he applied to used an online recruiting platform created by software firm Workday. The platforms, called applicant tracking systems, help employers track and screen job candidates.
In 2023 Mobley sued Workday, one of the largest purveyors of recruiting software, for discrimination, claiming its algorithm screened him out, based on his age, race and disabilities. Mobley, a Black graduate of Morehouse College who suffers from anxiety and depression, said the math didn’t add up.
He says he applied only for jobs he believed he was qualified for. “There’s a standard bell curve in statistics. It didn’t make sense that my failure rate was 100%,” said Mobley, who has since gotten hired and twice promoted at Allstate.
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Derek Mobley is an IT professional in North Carolina.
His suit is now emerging as the most significant challenge yet to the software behind nearly every hiring decision these days. Last month—after several failed challenges by Workday—a federal judge in California said Mobley’s age-discrimination claim could proceed, for now, as a collective action. The ruling opens the door to millions of potential claims from job seekers over the age of 40.
While the judge has ruled that Workday didn’t intentionally discriminate against Mobley, she left open the door for him to prove that Workday’s technology still had the effect of penalizing him because of his age. She hasn’t addressed the race and disability claims.
Mobley still has a tough case to prove, and the suit may go through years of legal wrangling. Yet the case could force Workday to part the curtains on how its algorithm scores applications, a process that has remained a black box since job searches began moving online decades ago.
“Hiring intermediaries have pretty much been excused from regulation and they’ve escaped any legal scrutiny. I think this case will change that,” said Ifeoma Ajunwa, a professor at Emory University School of Law and author of “The Quantified Worker.”
Workday says Mobley’s claims have no merit. It said its software matches keywords on résumés with the job qualifications that its employer-customers load for each role, then scores applicants as a strong, good, fair or low match.
While employer clients can set up “knockout questions” that lead to automatic rejections—for example, asking if a person has legal authorization to work in the U.S. or is available for weekend shifts—the software is designed so employers make the final decisions on candidates who make it through the initial screen, Workday argued in court filings.
“There’s no evidence that the technology results in harm to protected groups,” the company said.

A rocky career path​

Before his job search, Mobley’s career path hadn’t been smooth. He was laid off in the recession that followed the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and again after the housing meltdown in 2008. After that, he left finance and transitioned to what he viewed as a more recession-proof career in technology, earning an associate degree in network system administration.
Still, steady jobs were hard to come by. He spent a year as a contractor at IT firm HPE, hoping the stint would turn into a permanent position. Mobley said he was let go, and he later joined a lawsuit against HPE alleging age and race discrimination. The case was settled in 2020. HPE declined to comment.
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The suit may go through years of legal wrangling.
That job loss led to two years of unemployment, starting in 2017. He applied to more than 100 jobs and found himself on Workday’s recruiting platform over and over.
He didn’t get a single interview, let alone a job.
Soon, Mobley felt he discerned a pattern. “It dawned on me that this must be some kind of server reviewing these applications and turning me down.”
He worried that hiring software screened him out because it picked up on his age and race through details on his résumé or that it detected his anxiety and depression through personality tests he took as part of some job applications.
The frustrations of the job search weighed on his emotional health, credit and retirement savings, he said. He stayed afloat by driving for Uber and working short-term jobs.
Mobley eventually did find a job, the old-fashioned way. In 2019, he said, a recruiter for Allstate called him. A phone screen led to an interview with a hiring manager and then an offer. He is now a catastrophe controller, managing the workflow of customers’ property and auto damage claims.
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Mobley shows a job rejection email on his personal laptop.
Mobley said he suspects Workday’s software flagged his profile, essentially blackballing him across its entire system, regardless of which company he applied to.
Workday disputes that idea, and HR technology experts are skeptical of the theory. Employers customize recruiting software with their own criteria, they say, creating closed systems that shouldn’t theoretically speak to each other.
But there is evidence that underlying scoring algorithms can shut out certain job seekers, said Kathleen Creel, a computer scientist at Northeastern University who has been following the Workday case. That might happen, she said, through mechanical errors such as misclassifying a previous job title, or by incorporating more complicated algorithmic mistakes that penalize members of a single group or people with certain combinations of characteristics.
Such scoring systems can disadvantage qualified workers, according to researchers at Harvard Business School, who have found that the systems effectively screen out millions of workers by scoring them low for all kinds of reasons, such as having gaps in their résumés or not matching every qualification listed on a lengthy job description. The researchers didn’t test for illegal discrimination, such as discrimination based on age, gender or race.
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Workday says Mobley’s claims have no merit.
Since 2022, Workday has built a team focused on ensuring its products meet ethical artificial-intelligence standards. “Our customers want to know, can I trust these technologies? How were they developed?” Kelly Trindel, who leads the ethical AI team, said at a conference this month at New York University Law School.
Still, the company has fought some efforts to regulate automated hiring tools. In 2023, a New York City law went into effect requiring employers that use technology like chatbot interviewing tools and resume scanners to audit them annually for potential race and gender bias, and then publish the results on their websites. When the bill was proposed, Workday argued to loosen some of the rules.
If Mobley succeeds, software companies and their customers may be required to do more due diligence and disclosure to ensure they don’t enshrine bias. Employment lawyers say any finding of liability could open the door to job seekers also suing employers who use them.
“This isn’t a personal vendetta,” Mobley said. “I’m an honest law-abiding person trying to just get a job in an honest way.”

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Why is anxiety and depression in his CV?
Don’t get me wrong , algorithmic screening sucks, but if you’re listing your mental health issues in your CV, it’s going in the bin. Of you’re listing your identities it’s going in the bin.
I do not give a single shit what colour or sex you are as long as you have the experience, can do the work, and are pleasant to work alongside. And by that last point ‘I say nothing and get work done’ is pleasant. Productive autism is fine. Anywhere from shy to chatty is fine. Fetish at work, being a raging BPD activist nightmare? Not fine
That one lolcow that had pipapipkin on his shotgun had a touhou background on his linkedin. The only way that would be marketable is if you were in the import export business for weebslop.

The truth of it all, is that the ideal candidate does not exist. you just have to find a person you can stand, who is trainable, and just teach them how to do the job. It's leadership, NOT rocket science, and unfortunately that's why it's hard because any autist can be a rocket scientist it's just math but leadership requires ethics, IQ, AND EQ. You literally have to be the kwaisearch haderach and most people are not.

DAMN! that should have been my username: kwiwisearch haderach oh well....
 
how do i do that?
I think through your profile. Someone will be able to say how exactly I’m sure - paging kiwi tech support, how do you get the coloured subtitle under your username again.
Are you asking for custom title?

Click on your profile at the top of the page. It should take you to >>> settings >>> account details. First thing listed should be your user name, followed by your email. Scroll down past avatar, and profile banner, the next entry should be custom title. Just place it there.
 
IT, Indians are flooding every single job regardless of what it is and if the resume is completely unrelated to the job. Employers are switching back to physical resume handed in person to deal with it. I even seen teacher positions get flooded with Indians resumes. Sanja Poopinstreet wants to be a 3rd grade teacher in Farmington, New Mexico with a doctorate in computer science from jeetpoly school.
Hiring manager showed me the inbox once of one of the ads we had up on Linkedin for some design engineer position. There were literally hundreds of Indian/Bangladeshi/Pakistani applications all either in extremely poor English or obvious AI with qualifications not even touching what was asked for. And this was for a smaller company in a country which isn't super high on the list, you can't do this work without almost auto-rejecting that entire region.
 
That one lolcow that had pipapipkin on his shotgun had a touhou background on his linkedin. The only way that would be marketable is if you were in the import export business for weebslop.

The truth of it all, is that the ideal candidate does not exist. you just have to find a person you can stand, who is trainable, and just teach them how to do the job. It's leadership, NOT rocket science, and unfortunately that's why it's hard because any autist can be a rocket scientist it's just math but leadership requires ethics, IQ, AND EQ. You literally have to be the kwaisearch haderach and most people are not.

DAMN! that should have been my username: kwiwisearch haderach oh well....
I've found that the supply of candidates for even entry level jobs to far exceed the demand for them. It's pretty wild to me as to how many people compete for low end jobs. I mean, fuck, the last time I popped up to see teaching jobs irl, I saw a bunch of baby boomers looking for those jobs too.

Hiring manager showed me the inbox once of one of the ads we had up on Linkedin for some design engineer position. There were literally hundreds of Indian/Bangladeshi/Pakistani applications all either in extremely poor English or obvious AI with qualifications not even touching what was asked for. And this was for a smaller company in a country which isn't super high on the list, you can't do this work without almost auto-rejecting that entire region.

At this point, it sounds like the solution is to IP ban the subcontinent.
 
Whatever problems that are caused by automated filters and HR laziness are secondary to the core problem at hand, the total devaluation of labour in the first world. Globalization has been a disaster for the regular people in this country, the industry was shutdown and relocated to shitholes where you can operate a sweatshop with impunity, migration law was continuously changed or outright ignored to the point that it devolved into massive hordes swarming the borders, all to the glee of bosses with plenty of scabs. Organized labour atleast in the US has lost its teeth and whatever strength it has now politically is dedicated to helping those responsible for the aforementioned labour devaluation. Unskilled, skilled blue collar labour, white collar labour. Through endless outsourcing and migration from border hopping to the H1JEET program. The lugenpresse is now finally reporting on the actual job situation for the younger generations which I can tell you is borderline apocalyptic.

As long as unrestricted trade with the third world and endless mass migration is continued our lives will only continue to get worse, attacking the superficial parts of the problem at hand like this guy is will only slightly alleviate the problem.
 
There is often a "personality test" attached to online applications.

Yeah, I always hated those things. That said, it's always painfully obvious what answers they're looking for. If you're perversely honest and insist on answering each one with exactly how autistic, oversensitive, stubborn, or flaky you are, of course they'll bin your application. They want to hear you're a team player, that you follow orders blindly, that you'll snitch if you see a co-worker gank some Sharpies from the supply closet, that you "love a challenge" and "thrive in a fast-paced environment," and so on. You can be totally truthful or you can lie to the bot for a chance at snagging an interview. 🤷‍♂️
 
Yeah, I always hated those things. That said, it's always painfully obvious what answers they're looking for. If you're perversely honest and insist on answering each one with exactly how autistic, oversensitive, stubborn, or flaky you are, of course they'll bin your application. They want to hear you're a team player, that you follow orders blindly, that you'll snitch if you see a co-worker gank some Sharpies from the supply closet, that you "love a challenge" and "thrive in a fast-paced environment," and so on. You can be totally truthful or you can lie to the bot for a chance at snagging an interview. 🤷‍♂️
Yeah but if you just lie and give the perfect responses im pretty sure that it also counts against you. You have to give just the right amount of flawed answers, its incredibly gay and this could all be avoided if IQ tests weren't deemed discriminatory under the civil rights act
 
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