Misogyny in the trans community

[JambledUpWords]

This is supposed to be separate from the (many) trans threads there are on here. I want to talk about this because people that call themselves trans women usually have a very narrow view of what being a woman actually means. You’ll usually see that some trans women assume that women casually discuss their breasts or vaginas with their lady friends in their free time. Another thing that happens is they’ll claim to have periods and be extra emotional a certain time of the month because of the hormones. On top of this, if actual women say no to not wanting trans women in their spaces, such as restrooms, they’ll throw fits and call those women bigots for wanting privacy. This issue has been bugging me lately and I wonder if anyone else feels this frustration.

 

[Arctic Fox]

They are mentally ill perverts who want to force themselves on women with no repercussions.
It bothers literally everyone.

 

[Damn Near]

They are mentally ill perverts who want to force themselves on women with no repercussions.
It bothers literally everyone.

Sir, expect an absolute drubbing in my next fruitless tranny twitter e-begging circlejerk

 

[Eryngium]

They are mentally ill perverts who want to force themselves on women with no repercussions.
It bothers literally everyone.

Speak for yourself buddy, I'm Pro-rape.

 

[BoingoTango]

Was actually mentioning this in chat yesterday how troons must be extra frustrating for women. You finally get all your rights then here comes a bunch of men trying to fuck with you and invade all your spaces, all in the name of the same movements that gave your rights to you. Must be a bitch, huh?

 

[Dutch Courage]

I have never understood fully why women in general and liberal-leaning women in particular are as tolerant of troons as they are. The liberal ones trip over their own feet trying on the latest PC gender-speak whenever they get the chance; it is a top drawer virtue signal.

The battles women fought in the 1960's and 1970's for equal opportunities, women's spaces, equal education, equal pay, public awareness of women's issues, and scholastic sports programs for women were hard fought.

Now, some troon who smells of ass and has five o'clock shadow can just prance right into women's restrooms and private spaces as if it was his birthright. Althletic troons can muscle in on women's sports and set new world records. So far, troons seldom compete with women for jobs, since so few troons actually work. But the encroachment of men into women's worlds ought to give women some serious pause and enrage OG feminists. Is this where the equal rights movement has really led us? Men entering women's sports or fouling up their restrooms?

When will the sisters say, "Enough! Stop the madness! You fat fucks are MEN and always will be!" But few dare speak...

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

I have never understood fully why women in general and liberal-leaning women in particular are as tolerant of troons as they are.

Some women crave male attention and approval, even if the guy is wearing a dress.

 

[Surf and TERF]

"some trans women assume that women casually discuss their breasts or vaginas with their lady friends in their free time."

We do, but it's the sort of thing that gets mentioned in passing and it's usually in the context of menstruation. The key is that nobody gets off on it.

I have never understood fully why women in general and liberal-leaning women in particular are as tolerant of troons as they are.

Because being a marginalized "activist" means that your own kind will turn on you if you don't support other marginalized groups- even if they aren't related to you.

 

[Clop]

You’ll usually see that some trans women assume that women casually discuss their breasts or vaginas with their lady friends in their free time. Another thing that happens is they’ll claim to have periods and be extra emotional a certain time of the month because of the hormones.

Well women do talk about tits and vagoos on their spare time and even on the job, and their different hormones sometimes make them annoying to someone that doesn't think like them, i.e. a man, this isn't up for debate. Unsurprisingly, lesbians have been a lot more fun to work with. Troons are even worse since their brains are being forced to accept a bullshit image, but let's not turn this into yet another off-the-hook for m'ladies.

I have never understood fully why women in general and liberal-leaning women in particular are as tolerant of troons as they are. The liberal ones trip over their own feet trying on the latest PC gender-speak whenever they get the chance; it is a top drawer virtue signal.

The battles women fought in the 1960's and 1970's for equal opportunities, women's spaces, equal education, equal pay, public awareness of women's issues, and scholastic sports programs for women were hard fought.

Now, some troon who smells of ass and has five o'clock shadow can just prance right into women's restrooms and private spaces as if it was his birthright. Althletic troons can muscle in on women's sports and set new world records. So far, troons seldom compete with women for jobs, since so few troons actually work. But the encroachment of men into women's worlds ought to give women some serious pause and enrage OG feminists. Is this where the equal rights movement has really led us? Men entering women's sports or fouling up their restrooms?

When will the sisters say, "Enough! Stop the madness! You fat fucks are MEN and always will be!" But few dare speak...

Because women by nature are sympathetic, feeling creatures. If someone "feels like a woman" then women are more likely to empathize. A man is more likely to say "but biology, medical science" until they're cut off by a bunch of women extremely angry that a shitlord dares oppose someone's FEELINGS with something that's harder for most women to understand. It's okay to be good at social skills, but social skills aren't the ones used to cut someone's dick off.

That, and most women don't actually have to deal with trannies. How many did you see today? Likely none. If you're already wired to think they're super nice people just trying to live their lives and any claim of mental illness is just propaganda, then you're never going to see the madness.

Some women crave male attention and approval, even if the guy is wearing a dress.

There's this anecdote from Paul Elam about trying to help a group of men stop breaking out into fights, and in his own words a lot of the stress and hostility in the workplace was because once in a while some tart would waltz around to get attention from them. When he instructed the men to just ignore them (without being rude, of course) and keep to each other like bros, the female supervisors started to complain that the men were "acting misogynistic and making women feel terrible." The attention whoring kept going but the men no longer dropped every conversation they were having with their male coworkers, and this made da waman MAD. OPPRESHUN! Incidentally in 2018 Elam's business 'A Voice for Men' was classified by the SPLC as "a male supremacist hate group." Go figure.

Of course anecdotes are to be taken with salt and such, and MRAs are dime a dozen, so here's my own anecdote on when I finally realized that some bitches be fucking crazy; A female acquaintance that I was fond of but who rebuffed my advances was one day changing her clothes (she was spending a few days at my place for a trip she had) and when I turned my head out of just plain respect, she started visibly crying. I asked what's wrong and she said, and I fucking quote: "Am I so ugly that you won't even look at me naked?"

You can imagine the amount of "not all women" that I get, while they're off pissed about some dickwaffles going "not all men" without a shred of self-awareness.

 

[Dom Cruise]

so here's my own anecdote on when I finally realized that some bitches be fucking crazy; A female acquaintance that I was fond of but who rebuffed my advances was one day changing her clothes (she was spending a few days at my place for a trip she had) and when I turned my head out of just plain respect, she started visibly crying. I asked what's wrong and she said, and I fucking quote: "Am I so ugly that you won't even look at me naked?"

What happened next? Because I would have said "well hey baby, if you want me to look, I'll look!"

I mean if a woman just suddenly started undressing in front of me without asking me to leave first I probably wouldn't turn around, I mean it's a little weird not to mention it first if you don't want someone to look, right?

 

[Clop]

What happened next? Because I would have said "well hey baby, if you want me to look, I'll look!"

I mean if a woman just suddenly started undressing in front of me without asking me to leave first I probably wouldn't turn around, I mean it's a little weird not to mention it first if you don't want someone to look, right?

I wasn't in the mood of getting blue balls so I just shut up. I was too dumb-founded by the whole scenario, and being called the asshole for following the feminist and gentleman's propaganda mantra that I genuinely believed in at the time.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

I remember when reading The Handmaids Tale that Woman's greatest enemy is other women.

Troons have proven to us that men are better at being women than they are so it only makes sense.

 

[ES 195]

I have never understood fully why women in general and liberal-leaning women in particular are as tolerant of troons as they are. The liberal ones trip over their own feet trying on the latest PC gender-speak whenever they get the chance; it is a top drawer virtue signal.

When will the sisters say, "Enough! Stop the madness! You fat fucks are MEN and always will be!" But few dare speak...

They don't because the same standard would have to be applied to FtMs as well and nothing negative is allowed to be said of women even ones that LARP as men.
Also most people still think this is a legit thing or that an actual serious mental illness is involved. Not a lot of people follow the online drama to know it's just autogynephilia, and a claim to some oppression points.

 

[YourMommasBackstory]

I think it's because troon think that woman socialise and behave like in a fairytails. They've never been in a real women company and will never be. Because, even if girls are very sympathetic, but they won't allow freaks to be a part of private girl talks. As i said in assigned male thread, women don't want to talk about periods with someone who has lady dick.
They think that women wear cute clothes, makeup, are very bubbly and 'UwU im so cute and qurky'. Even troons who are middle-aged wear teens outfits. They have a dream of being cute, naive and innocent young women from girls movies.
And, they are more oppressed then usual women, according to current politics. They will get away from harassing a women as well as women get away from accusing men in rape. Some say that the arrow of opression doesn't switch, so men can't be harassed by women, but looks like hormonal therapy makes wonders.

 

[EvaBraunsGhost]

I want to talk about this because people that call themselves trans women usually have a very narrow view of what being a woman actually means. You’ll usually see that some trans women assume that women casually discuss their breasts or vaginas with their lady friends in their free time. Another thing that happens is they’ll claim to have periods and be extra emotional a certain time of the month because of the hormones

I honestly think this obsession stems from the fact they either don't have their own, or if they do it's a constant daily job to keep what is in reality not a vagina but an open wound, from closing up on them...us women can more or less forget ours for years (beyond washing obviously ) and it will still be there and ready to do the same job!
Can say honestly, I can count on one hand how many of my teen or adult-years conversations have even mentioned that... ime it's just not something we do talk about outside of a doctor's room? If I can manage to squeak out 'erm women's problems' I'm doing well and there's far more interesting things to talk about beyond something I was born with and will die with?

When will the sisters say, "Enough! Stop the madness! You fat fucks are MEN and always will be!" But few dare speak...

Because women by nature are sympathetic, feeling creatures. If someone "feels like a woman" then women are more likely to empathize. A man is more likely to say "but biology, medical science" until they're cut off by a bunch of women extremely angry that a shitlord dares oppose someone's FEELINGS with something that's harder for most women to understand.

have never understood fully why women in general and liberal-leaning women in particular are as tolerant of troons as they are. The liberal ones trip over their own feet trying on the latest PC gender-speak whenever they get the chance; it is a top drawer virtue signal.

Many of us aren't as quietly brainwashed on this as you'd think...a lot of us even speak up, with the result 9/10 times we are slapped down with the catch-all 'bigot' - I know I'm not the only one who was so scared of being labelled that - resulting in a lot of waffle about 'tolerance' but not actually being able to back why we should be. It was eye-opening for me at least to see that the most hateful bigoted attitudes actually came from the PC liberal brigade - oh you're fine and dandy if you agree with all their nonsense, if you don't you're a plain Nazi who needs beheading!
Idgaf anymore, sick and tired of a world where fee-fees are seen as more important than facts

That, and most women don't actually have to deal with trannies. How many did you see today? Likely none. If you're already wired to think they're super nice people just trying to live their lives and any claim of mental illness is just propaganda, then you're never going to see the madness.

I'd agree with that up to a point...PL, I know 3 mtf - one I've known all my life, and they are a perfectly nice person (in fact, a lot more bearable since transition), I call them by their now name but one thing I won't do is call them a woman, because they aren't - never have been never will be and all the dresses, wigs and oestregen in the world won't change that fact
Not one of them could honestly be mistaken for a woman - for all the talk of 'passing' to me it seems more like 'I look a bit less like a man in a dress than your average'

One thing that really bugs me is the 'but I've always felt like a woman' - really???
What does it even mean to feel like a woman? You could ask a hundred different women and get almost as many differing responses, idk what it means and I sure don't know what 'feeling like a man' means either
It's very telling to me that you just don't see mtf's wearing ambiguous clothing - it's always ultra girlie or ultra-slutty, a woman doesn't suddenly think 'oh maybe I'm a guy' because that day she decides to wear jeans plaid shirt and workbooks ffs

End of the day, wear dresses and make-up, even cut your dick off, I'll treat you with respect as a human but don't be deluded into thinking that makes you a woman. You are not.
Same goes for ftm - take T, grow a beard and have a pump-up dick if you please...you still ain't a man...just someone who has butchered their body when really it was the mind needed fixing, instead

I usually shy from anything with 'misogyny' in the title as feminist I'm not, but good post!

 

[Arcturus]

It's very telling to me that you just don't see mtf's wearing ambiguous clothing - it's always ultra girlie or ultra-slutty, a woman doesn't suddenly think 'oh maybe I'm a guy' because that day she decides to wear jeans plaid shirt and workbooks ffs

See, that always got me too. It's like they pick an archetype of a woman rather than having their own style and personality. Geek girl, valley girl etc. And more often than not, they come across like they're playing a role instead of being themselves no matter how well they pass.

That, and most women don't actually have to deal with trannies.

I disagree. It can probably depend where you live and where you are online though. I personally have dealt with a lot of trannies on and offline. I used to be really accepting of them. It was how my mom raised me. She had tranny friends and while I thought they were a bit strange, I accepted them without question. Same with ones I met online. Until only a few years ago when I started thinking about the whole thing more critically along with things getting out of hand with the SJW crap. My mom's friends that I was once fine with started to seem more and more off to me. The ones online started making me really uncomfortable with constant whining about cis women that eventually turned violent. Along with the fact that most trans women just feel so compelled to make awkward sexual comments constantly.

There was one that I was room mates with for a little while. It was a real experience but she wasn't much different from many others I'd interacted with. She was in her late 30's, had been out and on hormones for about 20 years, passed really well. She went for the "blonde bimbo slut" stereotype. Again with the constant sexual shit. Always making comments about "her pussy" (she was pre-op, mind you, and she'd even do this in public). But then also talking about how big her dick was. Loved going into graphic stories about her sexual encounters. She'd frequently come up behind me and press her giant fake tits into my back and make creepy comments. If you were dating anyone, you wanted to keep them away from her. Because she'd definitely start hitting on them. She, like many other trans women I'd been around, had no qualms with seeking out and fucking married/involved men. I suppose it's a validation thing. All that and she was really, really bitchy toward natural women. Always slinging insults. This is all just a small taste of what she was like. Bitch was fucking insane.

That coupled with the increasing hostility and sensitivity from other trannies was the last straw for me. I had a friend bitch me out and label me as a transphobe because I said the word tranny in reference to an MtF that worked for tips in drag shows (it's really common for MtFs to do drag shows). I didn't mean it any kind of way and it was what I'd seen others call themselves and even heard my mom use it affectionately. I didn't even know at the time it was derogatory at all. It didn't matter how supportive I'd been, how much I'd listened to them whine about how unfair it was not having periods, helping them practice their voice, comforting them when potential dates shot them down, dealing with bitching about how awful cis people were and being expected to not have any issues with that, none of it. I used a no no word and was now an evil transphobic piece of shit.

After that I stepped back and realized it was all horseshit and I was sick of walking on eggshells around these people while they felt comfortable being shitty to real women. It's all gotten so out of hand. Guys with a 5 o clock shadow can slap on a dress and go in women's bathrooms and locker rooms as long as they say they're a woman. They can join women's sports teams and ruin it for everyone else. And you better not have anything to say about it. They can say any shitty thing they want to about women but god help you if you make any comments about their fake tits or lack of a real vagina. They can be creepy and sexually aggressive but you better not rebuff them because then you're just a transphobic bigot.

It's all so tiring. It's like a black hole that will just drain everything you have and it's never enough. As you can tell, I have a lot of feelings about this topic lol.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Many of us aren't as quietly brainwashed on this as you'd think...a lot of us even speak up, with the result 9/10 times we are slapped down with the catch-all 'bigot' - I know I'm not the only one who was so scared of being labelled that - resulting in a lot of waffle about 'tolerance' but not actually being able to back why we should be. It was eye-opening for me at least to see that the most hateful bigoted attitudes actually came from the PC liberal brigade - oh you're fine and dandy if you agree with all their nonsense, if you don't you're a plain Nazi who needs beheading!
Idgaf anymore, sick and tired of a world where fee-fees are seen as more important than facts

Ironically enough this seems to be the direction America at least is heading in regards to this shit with how quickly the Right is gaining traction here.

Can't speak for Britain,Canada,France or Germany though.

Then again America seems to have always had a unique "fuck you authority" attitude compared to other Western powers.

 

[Lemmingwise]

The battles women fought in the 1960's and 1970's for equal opportunities, women's spaces, equal education, equal pay, public awareness of women's issues, and scholastic sports programs for women were hard fought.

Was it really hard fought, though?

Isn't that just people patting themselves on the back with some protests and a little bit of complaining got them everything they asked for and more?

 

[Dutch Courage]

Was it really hard fought, though?

Isn't that just people patting themselves on the back with some protests and a little bit of complaining got them everything they asked for and more?

Well, I will leave that to others to argue, but in the minds of those who actually participated in it, it was hard fought. So, it surprises me that so many seem willing to cede everything they have gained to...men (in dresses or even not...)

 

[EvaBraunsGhost]

See, that always got me too. It's like they pick an archetype of a woman rather than having their own style and personality. Geek girl, valley girl etc. And more often than not, they come across like they're playing a role instead of being themselves no matter how well they pass.





I disagree. It can probably depend where you live and where you are online though. I personally have dealt with a lot of trannies on and offline. I used to be really accepting of them. It was how my mom raised me. She had tranny friends and while I thought they were a bit strange, I accepted them without question. Same with ones I met online. Until only a few years ago when I started thinking about the whole thing more critically along with things getting out of hand with the SJW crap. My mom's friends that I was once fine with started to seem more and more off to me. The ones online started making me really uncomfortable with constant whining about cis women that eventually turned violent. Along with the fact that most trans women just feel so compelled to make awkward sexual comments constantly.

There was one that I was room mates with for a little while. It was a real experience but she wasn't much different from many others I'd interacted with. She was in her late 30's, had been out and on hormones for about 20 years, passed really well. She went for the "blonde bimbo slut" stereotype. Again with the constant sexual shit. Always making comments about "her pussy" (she was pre-op, mind you, and she'd even do this in public). But then also talking about how big her dick was. Loved going into graphic stories about her sexual encounters. She'd frequently come up behind me and press her giant fake tits into my back and make creepy comments. If you were dating anyone, you wanted to keep them away from her. Because she'd definitely start hitting on them. She, like many other trans women I'd been around, had no qualms with seeking out and fucking married/involved men. I suppose it's a validation thing. All that and she was really, really bitchy toward natural women. Always slinging insults. This is all just a small taste of what she was like. Bitch was fucking insane.

That coupled with the increasing hostility and sensitivity from other trannies was the last straw for me. I had a friend bitch me out and label me as a transphobe because I said the word tranny in reference to an MtF that worked for tips in drag shows (it's really common for MtFs to do drag shows). I didn't mean it any kind of way and it was what I'd seen others call themselves and even heard my mom use it affectionately. I didn't even know at the time it was derogatory at all. It didn't matter how supportive I'd been, how much I'd listened to them whine about how unfair it was not having periods, helping them practice their voice, comforting them when potential dates shot them down, dealing with bitching about how awful cis people were and being expected to not have any issues with that, none of it. I used a no no word and was now an evil transphobic piece of shit.

After that I stepped back and realized it was all horseshit and I was sick of walking on eggshells around these people while they felt comfortable being shitty to real women. It's all gotten so out of hand. Guys with a 5 o clock shadow can slap on a dress and go in women's bathrooms and locker rooms as long as they say they're a woman. They can join women's sports teams and ruin it for everyone else. And you better not have anything to say about it. They can say any shitty thing they want to about women but god help you if you make any comments about their fake tits or lack of a real vagina. They can be creepy and sexually aggressive but you better not rebuff them because then you're just a transphobic bigot.

It's all so tiring. It's like a black hole that will just drain everything you have and it's never enough. As you can tell, I have a lot of feelings about this topic lol.

Brilliantly put, I could have written most of this myself
It really is tiring...it's the kind of shit you feel like you've landed on some alien planet
I did have 'fun' arguing with one on twitter...'she' was 'so feminine' far more than any 'nasty cis-woman' apparently and blah blah blah...it's actually scary how they try to gaslight you though and I'm sure someone who hasn't quite woken up to it would fall for it
I got tired of it in the end and reminded her that she would still need fingers up her ass to check her prostate, something I never would - never got a reply to that one

Ironically enough this seems to be the direction America at least is heading in regards to this shit with how quickly the Right is gaining traction here.

Can't speak for Britain,Canada,France or Germany though.

Then again America seems to have always had a unique "fuck you authority" attitude compared to other Western powers.

In the UK it's pretty much madness tbh...most of those I could openly chat and agree with were friends on FB from the US, and a couple from Canada...oh there's pushback here from some quarters (us nasty bigots yano) but most are still hamstrung - at least publicly - by needing to appear tolerant however nonsensical what they're being asked to accept is
TPTB - govt, medical etc are totally with the programme and agenda though
Read this and weep...apologies it's a shit-rag of a newspaper, but doesn't make what's written any less accurate...it's a mess truly

Men who identify as women are invited for cervical smear without a cervix

WOMEN who identify as male are not being offered vital routine breast screenings and cervical cancer checks in case it offends them. But men identifying as women will be invited for cervical smear …

www.thesun.co.uk