Modern Web Woes - I'm mad at the internet

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Most people will never do what you're describing because they're not really computer people, they only comprehend Instagram, Facebook, Amazon, and Netflix. The death of MySpace and the rise of Twitter was a death knell of the old era.
I agree, but you only need a few hundred active users to make a decent online community. You don't need any kind of mass adoption. The number of people online posting shit in 2000 when the internet was really fucking cool was a tiny tiny fraction of the number of people who are online now. You could have a lot of fun with like 50 people making a webring and linking to each other's sites.
 
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I agree, but you only need a few hundred active users to make a decent online community. You don't need any kind of mass adoption. The number of people online posting shit in 2000 when the internet was really fucking cool was a tiny tiny fraction of the number of people who are online now.
But you can't make lots of money on a platform with just a few hundred users.
That's all anyone cares about anymore.

People keep crying about how YouTube/Twitter etc. doesn't let them do offbeat offensive stuff anymore that would scare of a mainstream audience and large corporations.
But at the same time they keep going to these platforms because that's where the large audience is and where the big advertisers are.
 
I agree, but you only need a few hundred active users to make a decent online community. You don't need any kind of mass adoption. The number of people online posting shit in 2000 when the internet was really fucking cool was a tiny tiny fraction of the number of people who are online now.
Social media really changed the whole dynamic of starting online communities because you have to fight to network yourself on someone else's platform. People don't just open up the browser and type in to go to "yourhobby dot com" or "hobby IRC" or to hobby forums anymore. Experienced web users might still actively seek out web forums and IRCs. Sadly, most people today, especially zoomers, use whatever the App Store serves up.

For small, niche communities, the closest modern equivalents I can think of are the social media influencers and streamers of today. Not their content, their appeal is really their Discord communities and the crowd that follows them around. It's sort of a filter to keep unwanted assholes out.

Becoming a "social media influencer person" seems unavoidable to build a community, with everyone on social media now. Most people stopped actively seeking new sites, so they go after whoever is trending on social media instead.

The mass-adoption of social media sucked the userbases out of literally every website in the 2000s. And mass adoption is what killed the best parts of sites like Reddit, even 4chan. One account per niche webforum was a better filter for quality posters, than a universal account on a universal site with a gorillion users and a million jannies. Mass-produced, centralized content is inevitable once communities are no longer small.
 
Plus, I don't think anything is ever going to run fast when it's limited to only hardware that Null personally owns, in his own personal rackspace somewhere in former Yugoslavia. It's not like he can just spin up a trillion more AWS instances like normie sites can.
The hardware isn't the issue, though; it's all the javascript running the chat that causes the heavy load and lagging. near as I can tell it's the combination of constant polling (unavoidable if you don't want to use memesockets) and a memory leak somewhere, which bogs the browser down to the point that sitting on the front page sometimes sends my computer into orbit with how fast its fans are spinning. It's a significant problem in firefox, but chomium-based browsers also suffer a heavy load wherever the chat is embedded.
 
But you can't make lots of money on a platform with just a few hundred users.
Who gives a shit? If I set up a BBS telnet server in my basement on old hardware and collect a dozen people to play Red Dragon and shit post with and we're having fun and it costs me $10 a month to keep it going, does it matter? Clearly people do it because these communities exist.

That's all anyone cares about anymore.
Sadly I agree to some extent. There are people willing to do this shit for free, but not as many as there were 20 years ago.


Social media really changed the whole dynamic of starting online communities because you have to fight to network yourself on someone else's platform. People don't just open up the browser and type in to go to "yourhobby dot com" or "hobby IRC" or to hobby forums anymore. Experienced web users might still actively seek out web forums and IRCs. Sadly, most people today, especially zoomers, use whatever the App Store serves up.

For small, niche communities, the closest modern equivalents I can think of are the social media influencers and streamers of today. Not their content, their appeal is really their Discord communities and the crowd that follows them around. It's sort of a filter to keep unwanted assholes out.

Becoming a "social media influencer person" seems unavoidable to build a community, with everyone on social media now. Most people stopped actively seeking new sites, so they go after whoever is trending on social media instead.

The mass-adoption of social media sucked the userbases out of literally every website in the 2000s. And mass adoption is what killed the best parts of sites like Reddit, even 4chan. One account per niche webforum was a better filter for quality posters, than a universal account on a universal site with a gorillion users and a million jannies. Mass-produced, centralized content is inevitable once communities are no longer small.
I don't use social media and I'm still on maybe a half dozen of not-for-profit online communities with a small handful of users. I don't disagree that most people aren't on them and aren't going to flock to them, but there are functioning healthy communities kicking around and it's still possible to build them.

There are over five billion people on the internet. You only need like 6% of users to want to peel away from social media and post on non-standard platforms like forums to match the population of everyone on the internet back in 2000 when it used to be awesome, and most those people back in 2000 only read news and shit and didn't post anywhere. Even if only a fraction of a fraction of a percentage of today's users want to participate in small non-commercial internet communities, you're still talking about like a million people floating around out there who want to do shit like chat on IRC, post on Kiwi Farms, connect to telnet BBS servers etc.

I'm not saying you're going to make money off it. I am saying you can probably collect a few dozen, maybe even 100 people to join your fart huffer IRC channel if you really want to. It's just the matter of people wanting to put the work in to host and maintain something for no monetary gain.
 
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Did I mention how annoying it can be when "related" stuff always shows up in search and video sites?

If there's few or no results for a search, that's what should show up - not endless "related" stuff.
That only annoys when the "related" is a section that breaks up the actual search results on youtube.

And how is it possible that google video search is a hundred times worse than youtube video search? I know that the immediate thought is to gimp it on purpose and force people to youtube, but it doesn't even link to youtube results!
 
The hardware isn't the issue, though; it's all the javascript running the chat that causes the heavy load and lagging. near as I can tell it's the combination of constant polling (unavoidable if you don't want to use memesockets) and a memory leak somewhere, which bogs the browser down to the point that sitting on the front page sometimes sends my computer into orbit with how fast its fans are spinning. It's a significant problem in firefox, but chomium-based browsers also suffer a heavy load wherever the chat is embedded.
Josh wrote that chat function. I always knew he was a soydev
 
It'd piss me off less if the huge sites that replaced small communities didn't take on the format they did. One great thing about the old communities was that most were in a messageboard format. Threads are organized chronologically, everyone gets an equal voice because there's no upvotes or followers to deal with. Sure, some users may be more popular, and people will agree more with them, but at least everyone has a chance to be seen.

Compare that to say, Reddit, where the most visible posts are whoever came in early enough, and even then it's a matter of appealing to the masses. Which means every thread is a contest to get to the top by cracking the most epic joke or preaching to the choir, and if you show up too late with something to say, you may as well not post because no one will see it. Except the people who bother to sort by new, but I can't imagine there being too many of them. Plus by the end of the day, the thread's off the first page, there's no bumping here. Gotta make room for the next day's new and shiny content.
 
@OneMillionRPM When it comes to getting actual advice, Reddit is useless. Every OP usually has a fucking meme reply as the top comment, with several cancerous replies repeating the same meme. Ask something like "How do I get ants out of my car?" and you'll get 100 replies with "set it on fire lol" and the one person with actual advice will be sitting at the bottom of the pile with no way to be seen.

Reddit is probably the most cancerous form of social media because of the upvote system. There is no way to sort by downvoted or less-popular comments. People usually upvote whatever seems funny or whatever makes them feel validated. Plus, since the powerjannies have kicked everyone to the right of Mao off of the site for the most part, it's an echo chamber of teenage leftists and bot accounts. I seriously can't think of a more dogshit general-use website.
 
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Gotta make room for the next day's new and shiny content.
Which makes the more interesting subs incredibly repetitive. Meme subs especially but even ones like r/unresolvedmysteries which have the same stories repeated every couple of days. Karmawhoring redditors just post the same shit over and over again.
It's ideal of the political subs since they can operate with the memory of a goldfish.

Josh wrote that chat function. I always knew he was a soydev
I've seen other XenForo sites with that same chat function. XenForo itself feels so bloated.
Probably unpopular opinion but I prefer Simple Machine Forums.
 
@OneMillionRPM When it comes to getting actual advice, Reddit is useless. Every OP usually has a fucking meme reply as the top comment, with several cancerous replies repeating the same meme. Ask something like "How do I get ants out of my car?" and you'll get 100 replies with "set it on fire lol" and the one person with actual advice will be sitting at the bottom of the pile with no way to be seen.

Reddit is probably the most cancerous form of social media because of the upvote system. There is no way to sort by downvoted or less-popular comments. People usually upvote whatever seems funny or whatever makes them feel validated. Plus, since the powerjannies have kicked everyone to the right of Mao off of the site for the most part, it's an echo chamber of teenage leftists and bot accounts. I seriously can't think of a more dogshit general-use website.
How DO I get ants out of my car? Asking for a friend.
And spiders. There's spiders too.
 
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I've seen other XenForo sites with that same chat function. XenForo itself feels so bloated.
I am guessing that is from all the silly animations and hovering buttons. If you look at myBB or phpBB it's so much faster because it is much more pure HTML.
 
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I am guessing that is from all the silly animations and hovering buttons. If you look at myBB or phpBB it's so much faster because it is much more pure HTML.
Greater information density too which would be nice on a site like KF where active threads can jump 50+ pages overnight. Viewing KF in Seamonkey locks up for seconds just rendering.

There was a Firefox extension to disable CSS animations that made Xenforo much faster but it appears broken since the Proton update.
 
Which makes the more interesting subs incredibly repetitive. Meme subs especially but even ones like r/unresolvedmysteries which have the same stories repeated every couple of days. Karmawhoring redditors just post the same shit over and over again.
It's ideal of the political subs since they can operate with the memory of a goldfish.
Even Unresolved Mysteries started to have dumb shit like many of the threads with political derails, naturally excused if its Herr Drumpf bashing. That was maybe the last serious reddit I still read somewhat regularly until that trend started to increase. Back when forums were the norm for that kind of thing, that sort of political derail would get you banned 2 seconds flat.

Reddit proves that the whole upvote model is pure bullshit and does nothing but ensure the most asinine normie-tier meme crap gets near the top. There was another reddit I used to look at some times, r/genealogy, but if you look at the top content, they are all: "This is a picture of my great-grandmother, I have nothing to add genealogically about anything, but isnt this a nice old-timey picture?". That shit gets repeated every few days, and it has absolutely no value, but the quasi-clickbait model of reddit and karma whores ensures that is 90% of what is posted.
 
This WebP shit is out of control.

For anyone who wants an image in a less retarded format, you can get use Save Image As PNG. It will allow you to actually save a fucking PNG as a fucking PNG. Amazing concept, right?
My internet photo gallery is slowly getting RUINED because theres a load of web pees in there now
 
WebP deserves active hate. I often download WebPs only for them to not work on my computer or my mobile image viewers. Why does it even exist?
Google proposed it as a way to get web pages to load faster since the images are something like 24% smaller for the same perceptual quality. This would have been helpful for web 1.0 and people had dial-up, but web pages load fucking fast enough with JPG, PNG, & GIF these days. Even my phone can download shit fast enough for image sizes to be irrelevant.

Google's main reason is apparently that the less we have to download, the less energy it will take, and if you take all the downloads that are happening all the time and make them smaller, you use less energy, and get less carbon. It is literally one of the most retarded ideas I have ever heard.
 
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