Modern Web Woes - I'm mad at the internet

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

One of the worst parts is that when they do shut down as communities do over time after they run their course, all the info, media, etc will all go poof with it. I've found tons of useful information on still running dead forums or though archives of them on archive.org. But when a Discord community shuts down, its like it never existed to begin with.

The worst thing is how easy it is to get a discord shut down , this is something i heard but getting a discord shutdown is as easy as posting loli and then self reporting it to discord.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Like I mentioned in the searching getting worse thread, the search feature on Amazon is so crippled now.

Unless it's popular things, expect nothing but irrelevant "related" results when searching for anything.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

I feel like Youtube is starting to get worse, its not one I noticed before. I was looking for a video on destruction of mobile devices with various calibers (I have a couple mobile devices I want to destroy and .38 is the only light caliber I have on hand) and instead was getting alot of unrelated clickbait-y shit.

Does any of this look related? It is literally garbage results for scroll after scroll (did not realize YT started doing the cancer of infinite scroll too)

 

[Gamepad]

I feel like Youtube is starting to get worse, its not one I noticed before. I was looking for a video on destruction of mobile devices with various calibers (I have a couple mobile devices I want to destroy and that is the only light caliber I have on hand) and instead was getting alot of unrelated clickbait-y shit.

Does any of this look related? It is literally garbage results for scroll after scroll (did not realize YT started doing the cancer of infinite scroll too)

YT does a lot of injections in general. Recommendations that mostly fit, except it'll occasionally put in some basic bitch video e.g. Look at the popular celebrities! Viewing a video, it'll show you related videos on the side... Except the third one, it'll be something related to the topic, but more clickbaitey. Sometimes, it'll nutter up a bit and stop doing that for a short period of time when you keep doing "Not interested", or good lord mighty, "Do not recommend channel".

 

[BootlegPopeye]

YT does a lot of injections in general. Recommendations that mostly fit, except it'll occasionally put in some basic bitch video e.g. Look at the popular celebrities! Viewing a video, it'll show you related videos on the side... Except the third one, it'll be something related to the topic, but more clickbaitey. Sometimes, it'll nutter up a bit and stop doing that for a short period of time when you keep doing "Not interested", or good lord mighty, "Do not recommend channel".

Oh yeah look at result 3 in that image I posted - its another planet from what I searched for (the others are already far fetched enough). It is pure commercial interjection simple because I included 'mobile' in my search.

I used to do the 'do not recommend' thing, but it never helped. I kept getting one stupid channel after another. I use third party applications on desktop so I normally don't see it, but I still do on ChromeCast (all of the youtube alternatives for android are clunky on Google TV).

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Does any of this look related?

YT search now be like

>herp derp you said phone and gun so here are gun videos and gun-related phone stuff videos

 

[byuu]

Does any of this look related? It is literally garbage results for scroll after scroll (did not realize YT started doing the cancer of infinite scroll too)

They have been doing this shit forever.

It's so annoying if you want to find an old video from someone which you don't remember the title of.
You have to scroll down, wait for it to load, scroll down, wait for it load, ... repeat dozens of times
No pagination, can't select a year or month (like every shitty blog let's you do), nothing.

This is one of the biggest site on the internet from one of the biggest companies known primarily for their web sites.
And they can't even do something a 14 year old kid that just learned PHP could figure out.
It's inexcusable how bad the interface is.

 

[nah]

Every modern development "best" practice has, what I believe, one primary end goal in mind: to change computing from an active activity into a passive one. That is to say, as nothing more than an entertainment box with metaphorical guard rails. Of course this is not restricted to web sites, but since the browser is the medium everyone has settled on, it's the most egregious. I also believe that the reason it's so polarizing to those of us who have done computing for so long is because we unconsciously understand this is restricting freedoms (utility, not political) we once knew. For example, forcing things like infinite scrolling and overly-fuzzy searching is the new way of forcing channel flipping onto users, not to mention auto-playing of current media and auto-loading of related media afterward.

Another goal that I believe modern practices aim for is infantilisation of computer users. Everyone is acutely aware of this in practices like showing cutesy error messages, or software interfaces that can be mistaken for sales catalogues. However I also notice this every time any software automatically corrects something I was trying to do, and often without telling me until after the fact. I don't necessary mean a spell-checker, although this can go too far, but something like M$ software applying formatting to data I copy-paste, or Google services aggressively forcing me to use WorkAccount-A instead of asking me to choose WorkAccount-B and I don't notice until I need some resource associated with WorkAccount-A. I'm trying to use software here with intention, but you're saying you know better than what I want to do.

Also, a particular practice that I hate is Cloud Computing. Yes, I understand that terminals connecting to a mainframe is much older and is still a thing; but my problem is their aggressiveness in capturing all computing, especially data housing and collection. I feel infinitely better about renting a Linux box and rsyncing files than trying to use Cloud services. I'd rather risk losing my data to bit rot than corporate rot.

This post is autistic enough while also straying from the topic, and I could keep going, but it all boils down to what I stated above: nearly every pushed practice wants the average user to become a baby playing with Fisher-Price toys who needs to be told what to do.

e: a word

 

[Never Scored]

Every modern development "best" practice has, what I believe, one end goal in mind: to change computing from an active activity into a passive one. More specifically, as nothing more than an entertainment box with metaphorical guard rails. Of course this is not restricted to web sites, but since the browser is the medium everyone has settled on, it's the most egregious. I also believe that the reason it's so polarizing to those of us who have done computing for so long is because we unconsciously understand this is restricting freedoms (utility, not political) we once knew. For example, forcing things like infinite scrolling and overly-fuzzy searching is the new way of forcing channel flipping onto users, not to mention auto-playing of current media and auto-loading of related media afterward.

Another goal that I believe modern practices aim for is infantilisation of computer users. Everyone is acutely aware of this in practices like showing cutesy error messages, or software interfaces that can be mistaken for sales catalogues. However I also notice this every time any software automatically corrects something I was trying to do, and often without telling me until after the fact. I don't necessary mean a spell-checker, although this can go to far, but something like M$ software applying formatting to data I copy-paste, or Google services aggressively forcing me to use WorkAccount-A instead of asking me to choose WorkAccount-B and I don't notice until I need some resource associated with WorkAccount-A. I'm trying to use software here with intention, but you're saying you know better than what I want to do.

Also, a particular practice that I hate is Cloud Computing. Yes, I understand that terminals connecting to a mainframe is much older and is still a thing; but my problem is their aggressiveness in capturing all computing, especially data housing and collection. I feel infinitely better about renting a Linux box and rsyncing files than trying to use Cloud services. I'd rather risk losing my data to bit rot than corporate rot.

This post is autistic enough while also straying from the topic, and I could keep going, but it all boils down to what I stated above: nearly every pushed practice wants the average user to become a baby playing with Fisher-Price toys who needs to be told what to do.

A real illuminating thing for me was this article. Look at that little summary line, "Goodbye, dystopian Craigslist. There's a new Reddit, and it's all grown up." People actually think the new Reddit design with the infinite scrolling, heavy resource use and autoplay shit is an IMPROVEMENT. People want this, They want a Fisher Price internet.

 

[nah]

A real illuminating thing for me was this article. Look at that little summary line, "Goodbye, dystopian Craigslist. There's a new Reddit, and it's all grown up." People actually think the new Reddit design with the infinite scrolling, heavy resource use and autoplay shit is an IMPROVEMENT. People want this, They want a Fisher Price internet.

Oh yes they definitely do want this. There's also the group, who I'd guess is the majority, that is largely indifferent because they just want it to work so they can get back to bitching about their own frustrations.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Google translate got altered a while back so you have to X out text after hitting translate instead of it auto-translating as you type. There's a big problem in this because they also implimented an autocorrect to it that is not only invisible and you can't turn off. I tried translating some shit a while ago for shits and giggles like old times sake and instead of just being mildly broken translation I found out entire words were changed because they were spelled like a different word google decided "did you mean [other word?] And I'm like FUCK NO and click no and it STILL changes it to the other word in the translation but doesn't say it did.

 

[stares at error messages]

Why are all UX developer faggots? They put too much padding space around their divs. They all have gay high-pitched voices which is cased by taking it up the ass. They use vendor-locking fauxpen source like contentful; never say this is the databases that our templating system works with. I hate them so much. If only to quell this plagues we need to start burning faggots again stoning louse women.

 

[stares at error messages]

Vim and Emacs work on more platforms than Electron could ever dream to run on.

Making cross-platform applications with something like QT isn't that hard. Java is even easier and still a million times better than Electron.
Hell, you could pack a cross-platform VM with a minimal OS image that autostarts your application and it would still waste less resources than Electron.

It is complete insanity.

Very good point. With everything being a JSON api these days that might be more possible. You can have a Qt or Java patina for your JSON https requests. Since web apps are just JS that do all the calls to JSON APIs in the browser anyway, it's trivial to implement a gui around the same API.

I really hate that I can see a thread on CPU monitor go 100% for 20 seconds while the web browser freezes. This is caused by Gecko's horrible garbage collection. The collector has to create an allocation while it searches for orphaned objects to delete; the allocation the search creates is more then the size of the objects that the process might find, but fails because the VM can't scale for shit. All VMs suck this way. They have no capacity to inelegantly identify objects that should be overwrite, while abusing system resources trying to work but just very industriously doing nothing.

 

[stares at error messages]

'people don't use adblockers'.

People? You mean NPC.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

They all have gay high-pitched voices which is cased by taking it up the ass.

It is actually caused by sucking dicks, it changes the shape of the palate.

 

[Never Scored]

It is actually caused by sucking dicks, it changes the shape of the palate.

That's not true, your mom has one of the deepest voices I've ever heard.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

That's not true, your mom has one of the deepest voices I've ever heard.

Correct, no dick sucking. There's a reason why both straight men and lesbians(cis-only) tend to have deeper voices. Why do you think Freddie Mercury had such a range and could hit such high notes, then he died of aids? Lots of d in the m changed his voice, d in another place changed his life.

 

[ellroy]

...a crossover with Animal Control, but FurAffinity frequently got accusations of 'being stuck in the 90's'.
The one thing I liked abou the website was tha the website was light and fast. I could load the website through the DSi Browser!
The website still is, to som extent: even wi the new UI, everything can stil load in a smartphone in an organised format. The ads, which higher i number, still essentially stay out of your way, especially if you are in a main page or Journal entry.

Compare tha to deviantArt, where th Eclipse UI made direct communication with others more complicated. You have chat and Notes.
Let us not get started wit how Twitter is forcing logins with a big popup every other page. I need to refresh almost constantly if I were to see stuff there.

Fur affinity is fast (in comparison) because all attempts to update and modernize the site have failed with Dragoneer wasting money on stupid shit. Not to mention he is completely retarded when it comes to hardware and will buy overpowered shit the site doesn’t need because people donated for it.

 

[Nigger Respecter]

At some point every major website decided to completely fuck up how to search the site. I was trying to find a person named something like “Aimy” on Facebook. Obviously I must be a moron and meant “Amy,” so Facebook just brings up a bunch of Amy’s without any way to just make it bring up Aimy’s. Same when searching for a term on reddit. Type in “social” and it will bring up results for “socialize,” “socialist,” etc. Can you motherfuckers just give me what I fucking want?

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Used to be able to click on the image, right click on the preview and it would be a link to the correct image.
Now Google does thumbnails at some potato resolution forcing a click through to the original website. And if it's on Reddit then it'll likely just dump you on the subreddit and good luck finding the image.

Google are also fucking with the cached page link. The menu is gone and now it should a "About This Result" popup that may or may not have a link to the cached page.

It just keeps getting worse.

I've just noticed that Google is refusing to show image previews if you're using a VPN and forces you to turn it off to preview images. This is becoming more prevalent across the internet where basic functions of a website are denied to VPN users. If you've paid for a streaming service, they will tell you to fuck off if you have one.

A service you paid money for will kick you out of the service you paid money for if they don't like the other software on your machine.