Modern Web Woes - I'm mad at the internet

Not the first time YouTube's retarded updates broke newpipe.
It's honestly laughable, the UI changes that break Newpipe make it even worse for normal users using the site itself. Worse yet though is how many times in a year Newpipe completely stops working presumably because Youtube keeps breaking their API by changing it in a big way for no reason, several times a month sometimes.

Since Youtube isn't outright breaking Newpipe completely I can only guess that they are legitimately changing their API in a way that breaks all legacy applications at once. I thought this was a cardinal sin in software development but leave it to the Youtube devs to defy expectation I guess.
 
"I miss it too, that's the worst thing. Like, I have tried to participate in other communities and shit, just to kill time while I'm on, waiting for other shit to happen, and it's like, they all suck. Everything fucking sucks. Like, I really don't know. Short of just leaving the internet, what the fuck am I gonna do? If the site goes down? Like, I can't, I can't participate in all these shitty fucking communities. I hate these fucking people. I hate anime avatars. I hate lolicons. Like, those are my options, I either go to these super posh shithole communities or I can go to these anime avatar lolicon communities. Like, I'd rather just not. I'd rather just fucking not. So I guess I'll take up metal smithing or something in the future. I'll just grow banana peppers and sell them and become Amish or some shit. Fucking awful. "

source: https://odysee.com/@mati:c/mad-at-the-internet-2022-10-28:c?t=4620
Cross-posting this quote from the #DropKiwiFarms thread as it's where I first heard it. (I don't watch MATI, even though I really should)

It's been resonating with me since I first read it a few days ago. This is exactly how I feel about the modern Internet put into words, and I thought only I felt this way, and that it was my fault for being irrational or embittered. But no, we all see it and we all know something's different but you can't talk about this shit anywhere without being accused of various unforgivable sins and hate crimes. I just don't know what happened to Internet communities in the past decade or so, dude. There have always been obnoxious, arrogant retards online, I know that. But now it's almost impossible to go anywhere online and not see them be actively celebrated and paraded around as role models.

It feels like the soul of the Internet was just ripped right out of it. Communities on Reddit and Discord and Twitter are made up entirely of virtue-signaling narcissists with a stick always up their asses, hell-bent on monetizing and moralizing and shutting down every possible method of open dissent that could ever exist. There are so few communities formed out of a genuine passion or drive to express the love for an interest (that isn't porn) or connect with others. Scarcely will you find people working to build a community on actual principles for the purpose of cultivating and sharing knowledge or stories. Those old hobby forums and chatrooms have been completely killed off by sites that thrive on promoting division and attention-seeking behavior while rewarding groupthink and bandwagoning. People are so quick to turn on each other for the slightest error just for that illustrious Current Year virtue clout. It's fucking depressing. I don't even know who to blame, not immediately. As much as I'd love to point at the troons, or the SJWs, or the corporations, or the journalists, or the governments (don't get me wrong these entities have all played their own parts in the downfall of the Internet) I think the biggest culprit is just the average online normie and their absolute refusal to learn or adapt to a new environment. There's a reason this shift in online behavior coincides with the rise of the iPhone and other "smart" devices. It feels like these people started to look at the immense freedom and potential granted by the early Internet and decided it was an inconvenience, that they needed to be handheld and spoonfed through every step of the online process. It's because of this mindset that we're in the situation we're in now, and I don't even know if it would've been possible to prevent. I think this fate was inevitable.

Despite it's sometimes abrasive premise and ideologies/userbase, the Kiwi Farms is probably the last real bastion of honest community and discussion on the Internet, and that makes me sad as fuck. Especially knowing that eventually, the site will die off somehow, whether naturally or not, and with it the true spirit of the old Internet will likely fully vanish as the propagandizing social media behemoths we all know so well seek to homogenize the last surviving remnants of the Internet into two or three tightly-run, overbearing corporate shitholes.

TL;DR normies are lazy and they killed the internet which makes me feel empty heart stickers. (:_(
also identity politics are a cancerous plague on society but you all already knew that so it's not worth harping on here
 
Those old hobby forums and chatrooms have been completely killed off by sites that thrive on promoting division and attention-seeking behavior while rewarding groupthink and bandwagoning.
The worst are the ones that retreated into Discord bunkers. Just about every little fandom or interest site I used to hang out on has done it, and in every case I've seen them go from cloistered but otherwise relatively normal nerds, to utterly insane freaks. They bounce between bouts of toxic positivity and wallowing in their own misery, while slowly abrading away everything that made them remotely bearable, until their personalities are reduced to little more than the equivalent of a constant, ear-piercing whine.

I didn't feel like this when shifting from newsgroups, to mailing lists, to websites with forums. Communities used to be organic. They weren't curated by AIs and locked away in little black boxes where nobody could see them.

It's fucking sad to say it, but I have nowhere left to go. KF is the only place that feels real any more.
 
I know they're still around, but I miss CLASSIC Neopets and Gaia Online.
 
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The worst are the ones that retreated into Discord bunkers.
Discord brings out the worst in people. I've been a member of the fan/modding community of a certain 1990 PC videogame for 13 years now. In recent years the community has started a discord, and in a span of ~2 weeks the discord became populated with self admitted fat autismos (posting selfies for proof) and even one "headmate", posting cringy crossover fanfiction and drowning out most OG community members in the discord. They show no interest in joining the community proper, only the discord. Lucky me.

My university's community migrated onto discord during covid. There were multiple secret servers for furfags at my school where they shared pictures of their fursuits and depraved porn.

Basically any interaction I've had with discord has ended up with troons and other terminally online retards taking over the space until it's near impossible to use it for its original purpose and it becomes their filtered little twitter chamber. It truly is the gayest of messaging apps.
 
If you lost your job, it's bad, but searching for jobs online is a hellish experience. Not only do most of the job sites allow for filtering (gotta get rid of the gig economy jobs), but they don't tell you who they're working for, either some hack "staffing service" or other business, and then you get filtered if the resume isn't exactly what lofty standards they want.
 
Fedi is improving but being based on a Twitter clone the UX continues to suck ass.
Discord brings out the worst in people.
My university's community migrated onto discord during covid. There were multiple secret servers for furfags at my school where they shared pictures of their fursuits and depraved porn.
Basically any interaction I've had with discord has ended up with troons and other terminally online retards taking over the space
I think both of these is linked to it essentially being chats, it means having no previous history of users(unless you "know them" and can vouch for them if they get busted). Comments, archives or the equivalent of threads should be disregarded.
 
I do not know if anyone has contributed to the dysgenic decay-decline-induced by this "AI art" kerfuffle in the way I will do now and I do not wanted to bother the folks in the AI thread, so my apologies if I am late.

First lets make a few distinctions. 3 types :
1st. The called "artist" who are colossal faggots with brains rotted by fucked-up conceptions of the world, retarded ideologies, mental sickness, etc. I have seen this first-hand pretty often for those past 10 years. You probably know those types, they deserved to be humbled in some ways. They are not the most skilled of all and are on par with the 2nd types I would say(when they do not produce garbage).
2nd. The casual, not realy that skilled or talented, contributing to a mountain of insipid and unremarkable trash or with a few good things from time to time. They are just regulars and not complet faggots like the 1st type.
3rd. The small portion which is very much talented at what they do(communication of emotions-feelings-visions through their work). De facto the most deserving of the bunch despite being sometimes as unsufferable as the 1st type.

Now as a poorfag, having acces to so much quality art from the 3rd type was a magnificent boon, allowing me spending hundreds of hours over 11 years looking for the best portraits for my characters in cRPGs or for my tokens, sometimes just talking with the creators or simply relaxing for an evening only watching their work after a shitty day and looking for the best of them to tip/pay. If you want your cultur or social ecosystem/niche to thrived your have to give something(money, resources, feedback, gifts, etc) from times to times. Those tools might help to substitute the SOURCE of the DATASET used to train itself by undermining the commissioner's needs for the source itself, damaging even more a certain social ecosystem where the source could thrive before, which in turn might not help the DATASET to be fed properly("as best as it could" I guess).

What's the point for some of those types if a few brainy "techbros" can just ripped off the result of the 3rd type brain matter and skills and just replicate so "easily" without any consent ? Now that some of them have a big incentive to not show their work/creation too much or at all on the internet and that "Ai artists"(commissioners) are proliferating, I will have more difficulties to know whom to reward fairly for their work. Who do I reward ? The company who created the machine which generated a picture ? The more or less talentless man using the machine to take commissions and lining his pockets ? Or have I to guess from which work the machine borrowed to find the right source ? Now, I am not so sure anymore.

Even worse, some folks are going to abuse those tools, never realy developping any skills on their own. Thus missing themself an opportunity to properly share their emotions-feelings-visions as best as they can by performatives means. A shared missed opportunity for them and us. With the proliferation of AI art now a mountain of monstruous garbage was added to a previous mountain of garbage. To find true gems online is going to be harder, not easier.

Without this mass-sharing I would never have know those creators and their work, I might never have developped a certain sense of details and styles. They made my life more beautfiful and less miserable. Now there is less or even no more sharing from them, more paywalls, less portofolios and even near complete disappearance from the net for some of them. All this in just a few months. This is the skrinking of a piece of the old-internet for the the growth of a more predatory one or/and a regulated one.

I am not even mad, no point beeing mad at another crowd of colossal dysgenic talentless faggots. I am just exceptionally sadden to see another online environnment being even more trashed, like many before it those last few years. Though on a more positif side I never gloomed so hard, as it pushed me to reevaluate the value of those exellent content creator and of those who could potentially be nurtured to be better.

Oh and by the way, not all community are affected badly, the coomer weebs are having the time of their life.
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(Just in 1 year)
 
I thought this was a cardinal sin in software development but leave it to the Youtube devs to defy expectation I guess.
Would not be surprised if they're handling the API like they want to give it Shaken Baby Syndrome just out of spite to third-party devs. This kind of attitude is common to primary devs to any service used by others, big or small.
 
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Would not be surprised if they're handling the API like they want to give it Shaken Baby Syndrome just out of spite to third-party devs. This kind of attitude is common to primary devs to any service used by others, big or small.
yt-dlp never seems to have as many problems. But it's not written by webdevs who spend too much time fucking with the UI.
 
Google's Material Design is everything wrong with web design and, by extension, mobile app design. It's pretty much imo what killed the idea of making distinguished and recognizable websites.

>WOW FLUID MOTIONS AND RESPONSIVE DESIGN
>PLAIN WHITE RECTANGLES ON TOP OF MORE PLAIN WHITE RECTANGLES (WITH COOL FLUID MOTIONS AND USER RESPONSIVITY)
>EVERYTHING HAS TO LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME (DID WE FORGET IT HAS TO BE FLUID AND RESPONSIVE?)
>WE WILL BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW OUR GUIDELINES EVEN IF IT EVAPORATES PEFORMANCE
 
These days you are far more likely to run into glowniggers and PR agencies forcing retarded memes and narratives or bots than actual people on the internet. Of course while shilling their favorite tool, discord, the walled garden of spyware or some variation of it.

Should just remove the ban user function from all platforms tbh. Its clear the tards of today cannot handle any responsibility and would have pressed the big red button during the cold war out of spite.

Then you get the gaslighting trolls that are full of shit whenever anyone talks about it. They are always claiming or implying that no one has ever gotten banned unfairly and they deserved it. *looks at half of the community watch threads*
 
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Fairly sure this was some cointelpro 2.0 shit as spaztic shit like this has been spammed all over youtube since the early 2010's:


There used to be forced deep baked and earrape "memes" spammed all over youtube a few years ago too but now most of it has been cleaned up.
 
kiwifarms is the biggest social media site I still bother visiting regularly and even here I like to stay away for a few days sometimes. That said, there are some nooks and crannies out there, tiny places where you can find genuine discussion between actual people. The virtue of these places is that they're tiny and are therefore not worth it to be targeted by corpo bots or for the clout or the attention by some random narcissists. Normies also usually don't find their way there from their iphone apps. These places albeit basically dead, can be fun sometimes, if you don't expect too much and can live with them randomly disappearing.

AI tools have made using google&co. an absolute crap shot too. I have the advantage over many here that I speak two other languages besides english. Many moons ago, googling in english was a requirement, now it's often worth it to search in non-english. AIs don't speak non-english often and the results can sometimes be better when it's about generic things.

When I feel like random browsing, I go to sites like wiby.me where the content is hand-curated. Bigger sites with videos like youtube.com I use 3rd party frontends and I usually block the comment sections with an cosmetic adblock. Nothing worth seeing there, it's all just what I like to label mind pollution. I stay away from things like twitter or "free" alternatives to twitter. In my opinion they're all equally retarded. The used technology isn't the problem.

I've given up mostly on reading the news regularly too. Once a day, at most. Was difficult in the beginning but now I catch myself sometimes not having read any news for days. There's absolutely no point. Major happenings I hear people talking about. If they don't talk about, I probably don't really need to know it. (or me knowing won't really change anything)

Maybe the internet is truly dying or maybe we all just expect too much. I honestly don't know. It is good to get some distance though and many people are way too online.
 
Aside from Wikipedia and Fandom, Google seems to be changing layout for the worse too.

On a slightly older browser, if one clicks on an image thumbnail, it can be off-center, and opening that in a new tab can lead to a non-functional blank page.
 
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