Monkeypox General 🐒🦠 - Authorities are calling it Monkeypox. The UK has begun a rapid deployment of Smallpox vaccines to first responders.

Drain Todger said:
That only applies to Monkeypox that isn't the airborne, gain-of-function variety.
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Which doesn't exist, and it isn't even known if its possible. GoF research of that nature shouldn't even be legal, and it may not be. I'm not up-to-date on current international/national regulations regarding limitations on GoF research.

Drain Todger said:
Why the fuck are the CDC recommending immediate negative pressure isolation for something that spreads by touch alone?
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Being overcautious. It is theoretically, technically possible for it to spread by large respiratory droplets that can only travel a few feet. However, to the best of my knowledge, this is strictly a theoretical method of transmission. A case of infection by large respiratory droplet has never actually been proven, as far as I am aware. All the cases outside of Africa that I have heard of are all contact-based transmission to the best of my knowledge.

I qualify all of my statements with "to the best of my knowledge" or " as far as I am aware" because while I am educated in biology, trained in biological research, and am currently involved in clinical medicine, I am not a virologist nor an infectious disease expert. I have done virological research with grants from the NIH (HIV, in the context of associated clinical syndromes, which is old research at this point), but that was a while ago.
 
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The CDC now says its an 'emergency'. Another round of lockdowns is possibly on the horizon.
Also, I forgot to get the article because I was stupid, but I found an article yesterday that said something like some pride con in Europe turned out to be a superspreader of the 'pox. Like I said before, this whole thing is turning out hilarious since next month is pride month. I really hope this gives us ammo on saying trying to support the gays is not just worth it the whole time because stuff like this happens.
Who knows, maybe the gays will throw tantrums and give us much needed laughs. Or weaponize the 'pox via surprise 'sex' to make it AIDS 2, not caring it will further ruin their image.
 
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Manul Otocolobus said:
GoF research of that nature shouldn't even be legal, and it may not be. I'm not up-to-date on current internal regulation regarding limitations on GoF research.
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It’s not legal, it’s not moral, and it happens anyway. You just label it as defensive and if the grants don’t get oked you ship it off to somewhere they don’t ask questions. It’s not bio weapons research guv, its researching bio weapons.
It’s how covid seems to have happened - danzsak’s little research project, GoF with coronaviruses (which the NIH funded) with the aim of ‘spraying it on bats to stop them getting really nasty strains, honest guv’ . Illegal, done anyway, labelled as defensive and look what happened.
Everyone does it, if we are being cynical. The rules mean absolutely nothing, if someone wants it done it gets done. Labelled as something nicer or under a more creative bit of the budget, but it gets done. Your country does it, mine does too.
Drain Todger said:
Why the fuck are the CDC recommending immediate negative pressure isolation for something that spreads by touch alone?
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I suppose because there’s a small risk it could actually be smallpox, and it is droplet bourne as well so negative pressure isn’t too far out. Ebola also spreads via direct contact (mainly, the Reston form seems to have been transmissible via air or droplet if you believe the reports and the monkey work but that’s a whole other post) and the cases in the USA from that, one of them ended up inside a spare bit of NASA kit iirc. If you get presented with a patient who has what might be a haemorrhagic fever of unknown ethology it’s airlock time. Unknown pox may well be the same. Until we know what we are dealing with, caution seems best.
It’s an odd outbreak, for sure.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
If the smallpox vax deals with it, then give everyone the smallpox vax. Unless they want to make a mRNA smallpox vax. Then all hell breaks loose.

Everyone in the military gets the smallpox vax and the US has a stockpile so I think this is all fearmongering.
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Quoted for truth. The Small Pox innoculation is literally 200 years old and clearly works. If they come out with a patented updated version I am going to have some questions.

They will probably try and sell the "safety" issue, as the inoculation is a live virus, and is very dangerous for use in infants, immunocompromised people and the elderly. In those cases though, the choice should be available to choose inoculation or vaccination. If they don't give us the choice I will have more questions. And if I am required to get the new vaccine™ even though I have already had to babysit cowpox on my arm for a month, I am going to get really upset.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
If the smallpox vax deals with it, then give everyone the smallpox vax. Unless they want to make a mRNA smallpox vax. Then all hell breaks loose.

Everyone in the military gets the smallpox vax and the US has a stockpile so I think this is all fearmongering.
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How much is actually stockpiled though? Having enough to support an influx of able-bodied men and having enough to support the general population is a very different number. If there is only enough to support the former, you can’t just tell everyone to get the vaccine. How capable are we of smallpox vaccine production?

mindlessobserver said:
Quoted for truth. The Small Pox innoculation is literally 200 years old and clearly works. If they come out with a patented updated version I am going to have some questions.

They will probably try and sell the "safety" issue, as the inoculation is a live virus, and is very dangerous for use in infants, immunocompromised people and the elderly. In those cases though, the choice should be available to choose inoculation or vaccination. If they don't give us the choice I will have more questions. And if I am required to get the new vaccine™ even though I have already had to babysit cowpox on my arm for a month, I am going to get really upset.
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The live virus is used because it actually works. Trying to replace the vaccine for something that spreads as quickly as smallpox would be so stupid because the disease is actually quite deadly. In covid’s case, the government could ignore quinine because not that many people were actually dying.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
I smell a rat. Monkeypox does not spread this rapidly. All previous outbreaks, even in Africa tend to be very localized. This thing is spreading like Smallpox.

We've yet to see any case pictures as well. All the pictures in the media are stock photos. There is also no information on what condition the patients are in.

I am sticking with my initial theory. The war in Ukraine knocked over some old Soviet Bioweapons Labs that had Variola samples in them. It infected local Ukrainians who fled the fighting to North America and Western Europe. 4 weeks later, Pox outbreak in a dozen western countries.
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I don't think so. Patient Zero for this outbreak was reportedly a British traveler returning home from Nigeria, where monkeypox is endemic. If this was smallpox, I doubt anyone would have even been informed there's an outbreak of anything so as not to spread mass hysteria.
 
I'm tempted to invest 10k in Bill Gate's SIGA company, but on the other hand I could see this being a trick and end up losing money.
 
George Lucas said:
How much is actually stockpiled though? Having enough to support and influx of able-bodied men and having enough to support the general population is a very different number. If there is only enough to support the former you can’t just tell everyone to get the vaccine. How capable are we of smallpox vaccine production?


The live virus is used because it actually works. Trying to replace the vaccine for something that spreads as quickly as smallpox would be so stupid because the disease is actually quite deadly. In covid’s case, the government could ignore quinine because not that many people were actually dying.
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They actually got rid of the old smallpox vax and use a new one, but its all derived from the same line. I don't it would be hard to produce more, the new one is easier to make. How much they have is another issue entirely and given this administration's track record, I don't expect them to do anything except bungle it.
 
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Gender: Xenomorph said:
Monkeypox won't spread as much.
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True..

Gender: Xenomorph said:
Let's not forget there's no totalitarian communist government actively trying to spread the disease across the globe.
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No government, but what about bureaucracy?
 
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Hollywood Hitler said:
I can only speak for myself, but I'm nervous about the government's reaction to this (lockdowns, masks, forced vaccinations, concentration camps, etc.) Especially since President Shit-for-Brains signed a treaty with the WHO (aka China) giving them full control of our country if there is a "health crisis."
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Not really happy about NATO being in partnership with VA airport for the new HQ. When I searched it a while ago (check post history), they were lauding the new development specifically at Norfolk Airport with associated articles, much fanfare. Now, nary a peep except DEBOONK articles and this one:


Creeps me the fuck out tbqh frens.

(edit to correct Norfork/Norfolk. Whoops)
 
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