🐱 'Ms. Marvel' praised by fans but flooded with bad reviews. Critics think they know why. - Surely it can’t be because it’s not good

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/ms-marvel-praised-fans-flooded-bad-reviews-critics-think-know-rcna32830

https://archive.ph/eLE1T

Marvel’s new Disney+ series “Ms. Marvel” received praise from reviewers and fans, but some are blasting its diversity, calling it too “woke” and “cringe.” And critics say they know what's behind the criticism.

The series, released Wednesday, follows Kamala Khan, a 16-year-old Pakistani American girl from New Jersey who struggles to fit in at school and home until she’s imbued with superpowers by a bangle passed down from her grandmother.

As episode one aired yesterday, fans — including Nobel laureate Malala Yousafzai — shared their excitement over the studio’s first Pakistani Muslim superhero.

The series, which was generally favored on Rotten Tomatoes, has a 6.6/10 rating on IMDb, with almost 3,000 users giving the show one star — many of whom were men over the age of 30.

"Ms. Marvel" is currently the lowest rated Marvel Cinematic Universe series but has only 14,000 reviews compared to the more than 100,000 reviews the other shows have.

One reviewer who gave the series one star said the show seemed like “an Indian soap opera.” Another user said it was a “kids show."

Harleen Singh, an associate professor of women’s studies and South Asian history at Brandeis University, said the criticism coming from older men isn’t surprising.

“The superhero universe for the longest time has been patriarchal,” she told NBC Asian America. “So it’s not surprising to me that this criticism is coming from that demographic because in a way, that demographic is the all-consuming group of the superhero universe for comic books and all the kind of narratives and stories that the superhero universe represents.”

Many felt the criticism was unwarranted and said that not every show was made for every demographic.

Reviewers such as Joe Vargas, who hosts the YouTube channel AngryJoeShow, tweeted that his positive video review received more down-votes than any video he’s posted. The down-votes came just minutes after posting.

Singh pointed out that current representation could impact future media. “It’s not just about the kind of consumption we want at the present moment, but it’s also about signaling what could be coming in the future with new episodes, new movies and new characters. The resentment is as much for the present-moment representation as it is for what that moment represents for the future to come.”

A similar controversy occurred in March after the release of Pixar’s “Turning Red,” which had strongly favorable reviews when negative reviewers called it “narrow” and “alienating.”

 

[theshitposter]

fuck you catparty. stop posting boring trash

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

A similar controversy occurred in March after the release of Pixar’s “Turning Red,” which had strongly favorable reviews when negative reviewers called it “narrow” and “alienating.”

Considering that film lost Disney 300M$ maybe you should actually listen to the audience. Especially when you make a show that none of the established audience wants to watch

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

Curiously enough, I have heard criticism of this film.

Both times however it was from Muslims who thought such a role model was inappropriate because that's not how Muslims, let alone Muslim women, should behave.

Can we get a race and religion check on those thirty somethings please?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I think it's a proper suspicion to have of western nerds that their florid complaints about a work are often predicated by, and/or are a front for, much more simple points of contention closer to their hearts than they're capable of admitting (literally, many can't understand their desires and they have situational lack of theory of mind that prevents them from effectively explaining what they desire and why it should be important to the both of them... when they're not actually autistic and just have a lack of theory of mind combined with pretentiousness).

That said, that's only "often", and regardless, hardly any are such that their underlying complaints are going to be "I can't believe they have a WOMAN character, ugh!". They're more likely to think in their heart of hearts, "I don't like this character, she doesn't engage me, she's kind of annoying, and I have no respect for the author"-- same as any other character they make judgment on.

tl;dr western nerds argue in the same manner as how women talk of the kind of man they want funny, but don't trust a woman to tell you about the hearts of men

Both times however it was from Muslims who thought such a role model was inappropriate because that's not how Muslims, let alone Muslim women, should behave.

Given the little I read, I really think the "role model" designation is post hoc. She doesn't exemplify what could be termed as proper Muslim woman behavior-- she very specifically grapples with being the daughter of Muslims in a very non-Muslim community, and how that influence plus the complication of her "superheroing duties" makes her come off as sometimes impertinent to her religious family.

 

[PaulBearer]

This is going to be shit I reckon.

 

[Slimy Time]

This is going to be shit I reckon.

It is if you know anything about the character. IIRC it's a Pakistani-American Muslim woman who gets gifted her powers. This was woke creation back in the 2010s.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

what if mister fantastic was gorl

 

[CWCissey]

Best Muslim superhero continues to be The Burka Avenger it seems...

 

[FeatherPlucker]

For some reason, I can't envision Pakistani kids watching shows like this. They're probably studying for their exams, or working in their parents' store 7 days a week. At least the ones who live in my area.

 

[Vic Viper T301]

These shows just keep getting worse and worse, and they refuse to take the hint that the audience they want doesn't really care about superheroes and the audience they used to have is fed up and hates them now.

Also how can they possibly know the age of anonymous people voting 1 star on IMDB?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

For some reason, I can't envision Pakistani kids watching shows like this. They're probably studying for their exams, or working in their parents' store 7 days a week. At least the ones who live in my area.

Many of the ones I knew in middle and high school still had a mind for leisure.

 

[Red Hood]

I mean if DC can sell nerds and the general normie crowd a lukewarm Wonder Woman movie starring a distinctly mediterranean-looking Israeli that can't act, what's Marvel's problem?

 

[Retink]

F.A.N's = Faggots And Niggers

 

[Dante Alighieri]

There's fans?

 

[Slimy Time]

There's fans?

Considering the types of people who become hardcore comic fans, not surprised there are fans of this.

 

[Jack Awful]

Curiously enough, I have heard criticism of this film.

Both times however it was from Muslims who thought such a role model was inappropriate because that's not how Muslims, let alone Muslim women, should behave.

Can we get a race and religion check on those thirty somethings please?

There's no way that's true. Muslims love LGBTQ and women's rights!

 

[Free the Pedos]

Curiously enough, I have heard criticism of this film.

Both times however it was from Muslims who thought such a role model was inappropriate because that's not how Muslims, let alone Muslim women, should behave.

Can we get a race and religion check on those thirty somethings please?

I think it's a proper suspicion to have of western nerds that their florid complaints about a work are often predicated by, and/or are a front for, much more simple points of contention closer to their hearts than they're capable of admitting (literally, many can't understand their desires and they have situational lack of theory of mind that prevents them from effectively explaining what they desire and why it should be important to the both of them... when they're not actually autistic and just have a lack of theory of mind combined with pretentiousness).

That said, that's only "often", and regardless, hardly any are such that their underlying complaints are going to be "I can't believe they have a WOMAN character, ugh!". They're more likely to think in their heart of hearts, "I don't like this character, she doesn't engage me, she's kind of annoying, and I have no respect for the author"-- same as any other character they make judgment on.

tl;dr western nerds argue in the same manner as how women talk of the kind of man they want funny, but don't trust a woman to tell you about the hearts of men


Given the little I read, I really think the "role model" designation is post hoc. She doesn't exemplify what could be termed as proper Muslim woman behavior-- she very specifically grapples with being the daughter of Muslims in a very non-Muslim community, and how that influence plus the complication of her "superheroing duties" makes her come off as sometimes impertinent to her religious family.

It would actually be really interesting a la Daredevil if they had her grapple with those issues and contradictions. I'd watch a movie about that, instead of a fictional woke story about how Pakistani Muslims totally love violent, assertive women.

 

[Chocolate Wombat]

She was a writer's Mary Sue that got published because the people who publish comics wanted to broaden their audience and make more money. It seems like that hasn't really paid off for them. The people who make movies based on comic books are doing something similar are encountering the same problem: the target audience doesn't like these kinds of movies even if they star someone who looks like them and the usual comic audience feels ostracized by a character they have no way to relate to.

Once you remove the moronic culture wars angle from the equation it becomes a lot easier to understand. Characters like Pakigirl Ms. Marvel here are to comics what New Coke was to beverages. The companies responsible for their creation have sunk cost fallacy weighing them down and keeping them from trying something else.

Hopefully the combination of assmad from usual comic fans will combine with the disinterest of the target demographic (pajeets and muslims) to cause capeshit to stop dominating the box office.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Ms Marvel should issue a Fatwa and call for Jihad