🐱 'Ms. Marvel' praised by fans but flooded with bad reviews. Critics think they know why. - Surely it can’t be because it’s not good

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/ms-marvel-praised-fans-flooded-bad-reviews-critics-think-know-rcna32830

https://archive.ph/eLE1T

Marvel’s new Disney+ series “Ms. Marvel” received praise from reviewers and fans, but some are blasting its diversity, calling it too “woke” and “cringe.” And critics say they know what's behind the criticism.

The series, released Wednesday, follows Kamala Khan, a 16-year-old Pakistani American girl from New Jersey who struggles to fit in at school and home until she’s imbued with superpowers by a bangle passed down from her grandmother.

As episode one aired yesterday, fans — including Nobel laureate Malala Yousafzai — shared their excitement over the studio’s first Pakistani Muslim superhero.

The series, which was generally favored on Rotten Tomatoes, has a 6.6/10 rating on IMDb, with almost 3,000 users giving the show one star — many of whom were men over the age of 30.

"Ms. Marvel" is currently the lowest rated Marvel Cinematic Universe series but has only 14,000 reviews compared to the more than 100,000 reviews the other shows have.

One reviewer who gave the series one star said the show seemed like “an Indian soap opera.” Another user said it was a “kids show."

Harleen Singh, an associate professor of women’s studies and South Asian history at Brandeis University, said the criticism coming from older men isn’t surprising.

“The superhero universe for the longest time has been patriarchal,” she told NBC Asian America. “So it’s not surprising to me that this criticism is coming from that demographic because in a way, that demographic is the all-consuming group of the superhero universe for comic books and all the kind of narratives and stories that the superhero universe represents.”

Many felt the criticism was unwarranted and said that not every show was made for every demographic.

Reviewers such as Joe Vargas, who hosts the YouTube channel AngryJoeShow, tweeted that his positive video review received more down-votes than any video he’s posted. The down-votes came just minutes after posting.

Singh pointed out that current representation could impact future media. “It’s not just about the kind of consumption we want at the present moment, but it’s also about signaling what could be coming in the future with new episodes, new movies and new characters. The resentment is as much for the present-moment representation as it is for what that moment represents for the future to come.”

A similar controversy occurred in March after the release of Pixar’s “Turning Red,” which had strongly favorable reviews when negative reviewers called it “narrow” and “alienating.”

 

[Red Hood]

You think the fat girl or snowflake and safesapce are the cringiest but then you get to A Meme-Obsessed super teen whose brain became connected to the internet after becoming exposed to his grandfather’s “experimental internet gas.” Now he can see augmented reality and real-time maps, and can instantly Google any fact.

E X P E R I M E N T A L
I N T E R N E T
G A S

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

E X P E R I M E N T A L
I N T E R N E T
G A S

The person who came up with that idea has no idea how the internet works, and probably calls every game console a Nintendo.

 

[Disc]

You think the fat girl or snowflake and safesapce are the cringiest but then you get to A Meme-Obsessed super teen whose brain became connected to the internet after becoming exposed to his grandfather’s “experimental internet gas.” Now he can see augmented reality and real-time maps, and can instantly Google any fact.

Then you read the fat girl's powers and realise she's literally a fat teen expy of Dora the Explorer, and suddenly Snowflake and Safespace are in the bottom half for the cringiest Noo-Noos.

 

[Cubanodun]

Wonder if they forgot very quickly that mexicans found cringe america chavez lesbian moms because below california no ones gives a shit about the acronims

People should already know the modus operandi of Disney, they are trying to recoup the cost by making people hate watch it but the ones that want to do it prefer to pirate it just to not give them money, it was foretold day 1 that was going to fail and Ironheart is also going to fail, her run in the comic sucked, she was sidelined very quickly and disney has tried in every way or form that people has to like her but not even in gacha games people want those two

 

[Zero Day Defense]

She was an editor's self-insert, not just the writers. The writer is a white convert who is a bit of a cow, both fat and lol. Story goes she converted because her college professor was hot and she was a fat white girl trying to fuck him. It failed and she went to be a glowie in Egypt and might of been involved in a hirings and firings of people at marvel.

The editor was Sana Amant who has a connection to Hilary and Obama through her cousin Huma Abadeen. Sana is one of those people who tried to grow their audience was killing their core over time.

The comic just glows, doesn't it?

 

[Red Hood]

The comic just glows, doesn't it?

Honestly, it's a pretty pedestrian comic that just plays Mad Libs with Marvel's classic "teen hero with home and school problems" as laid down by Lee and Ditko in Spider-Man. I read through the first run out of curiousity and it was neither the pushy SJW screed I was expecting nor a raging dumpster fire...it was just kind of mediocre.

 

[Bum Driller]

I have nothing against a pakistani muslim superhero character. However, I might raise the question of why isn't she depicted as more progressive to be at least a potential role-model for real life young pakistanis? Why the fuck does he have hijab as part of her superhero -costume, and why does the costume remind me awfully lot of burkini? Only correct way to do this kind of character is to make her as liberal as possible, bisexual and clad in very scant clothes to send pakistani immigrant youth the message that they too can be something else than their fucked up conservative upbringing. That they too can have the superpower that is the FREEDOM we have in the western civilization to be whatever we want, dress however we want and fuck however we want.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

However, I might raise the question of why isn't she depicted as more progressive to be at least a potential role-model for real life young pakistanis?

I can't tell if you're being ironic, how could you possibly make this character more progressive than she already is?

 

[CowPox]

Did it show her clit being removed with a pair of toenail clippers?

 

[Bum Driller]

I can't tell if you're being ironic, how could you possibly make this character more progressive than she already is?

Dressing an ethnic minority woman character, especially muslim, in all-covering clothing with Hijab is not progressive. Not making her LGBT+ reeks of pandering to muslim conservatives.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Dressing an ethnic minority woman character, especially muslim, in all-covering clothing with Hijab is not progressive. Not making her LGBT+ reeks of pandering to muslim conservatives.

She doesn't even wear a hijab aside from a couple occasions, I'm not sure what kind of 'muslim conservative' is being pandered to by a show that regularly showcases a supposedly Muslim character doing impermissible things including not covering herself correctly and visibly approving of LGBT nonsense.

 

[CatParty]

Dressing an ethnic minority woman character, especially muslim, in all-covering clothing with Hijab is not progressive. Not making her LGBT+ reeks of pandering to muslim conservatives.

Xmens dust a pretty cool but no one ever talks about her

 

[CWCissey]

The only diverse character that succeed from marvel seems to be black spiderman. Im suprised they didnt bring that guy to the big screen first.

I guess they kind of did. Spiderverse, dude.

 

[CatParty]

The only diverse character that succeed from marvel seems to be black spiderman. Im suprised they didnt bring that guy to the big screen first.

You can tell that was the plan. He was introduced in 2011. Long after the mcu had been established. If Sony never played ball, he’d be the movie spiderman

 

[Bakarina]

I guess they kind of did. Spiderverse, dude.

I'm really surprised Miles got popular cause not a lot of people read Ultimates (a grungy alternate time line that you didn't need to know 50 years of lore to jump into. MCU got a lot of its earlier story beats from it and it's how Nick Fury became black -- the creator even had a list of actors he wanted to play each character as well) and the reason why Spiderman became black was because Obummer was elected President so "it was time for a black spider-man as well".

That being said, I guess enough people gave a damn at the time to actually make him into an interesting piece in Spider-Man lore unlike Ms. Marvel and Iron Heart.

 

[Coccxys]

People should already know the modus operandi of Disney, they are trying to recoup the cost by making people hate watch it

Nah its to say "look the wrong thinkers hate this, you're not a wrong thinker... are you?" And have them gaslight themselves into believing its the greatest thing ever.

Go to reeera or any other forum of similar repute and say TLJ had flaws. No matter how well you elaborate or how valid your points you will be reed at and called an altright Trumper. There was a thread covered in the resetera thread on here where they discussed that film and one long term user said something along the lines of "it was ok, it had its problems but it was decent" and they got dove on for agreeing with the nazis.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I'm really surprised Miles got popular cause not a lot of people read Ultimates (a grungy alternate time line that you didn't need to know 50 years of lore to jump into. MCU got a lot of its earlier story beats from it and it's how Nick Fury became black -- the creator even had a list of actors he wanted to play each character as well) and the reason why Spiderman became black was because Obummer was elected President so "it was time for a black spider-man as well".

That being said, I guess enough people gave a damn at the time to actually make him into an interesting piece in Spider-Man lore unlike Ms. Marvel and Iron Heart.

Miles isn't that popular. He's popular in the same way as Cyborg is. People like him okey and we need blackie or get called racist. He is popular enough to keep around as a token but he isn't anything that sellable. Pretty much only big hit he has is the Spiderverse movie but overall people find him boring and uninteresting. There is reason why he has no superhero name or his own recognizable costume. He's just Miles, the black Spiderman for those lame kids who can't see past race.

If you want Spiderman variant that has organic popularity that's Spidergwen. She isn't a giant name or anything like that but she has momentum and people do find her intresting. Her selling points being a memorable cool costume and is related to one of the most beloved story lines. That's not much but better than race.

 

[Strange Wilderness]

I knew this show would be crap from Day 1 when they changed her stretching powers, representing her trying to fit into different identity's, and replaced them with CGI blobs because its cheaper. Its a bad sign when a shown changes a characters superpower because they're too cheap to do it right. It would be the equivalent of making a Superman TV show but giving him ninja powers because it would cost too much to show him flying or using his laser vision.

Why the fuck does he have hijab as part of her superhero -costume, and why does the costume remind me awfully lot of burkini?

In the comics her costume actually is a burkini she fished out of the back of her closet. Its a nice little touch to emphasize the whole "kid superhero" thing she's supposed to be where there costume realistically would be whatever they could scrounge together. Unfortunately moments like this are far and few between and Kamala mostly serves as a walking encyclopedia on Islam or a shill for the latest Marvel product.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

And they changed Kamala Khan’s superpowers, alienating many fans of Marvel Comics.

 

[Damocles_Sword]

Isn't this the character that grew up in a bizarro version of pakistan where women can go outside showing their faces and not get immediately publically executed and aren't forced to marry their first cousins at 14?