Multi-level marketing/pyramid schemes and the people who fall for them

Several years back my sister was selling these finger nail shrink wrap sticker things that smacked of a mlm.

Jamberry. A former acquaintance's sister-in-law, a CPA at that, was big in that while we still interacted. It really is amazing to see who all gets sucked into these MLMs.

(Edit) In trying to look up whether Jamberry was an MLM, it looks like the company either went belly up or has had its products acquired by another company

Jamberry, a multilevel marketer of nail wraps and other beauty products, faces accusations of stiffing thousands of nonemployee salespeople after the company informed employees in a late-night email Wednesday that it was their "last official day" of work.

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Some sales reps on Thursday indicated in posts in a members-only Facebook page that they expect to continue selling Jamberry products under the management of M Network, a seller of nutritional supplements that has said it recently acquired "certain assets" of Jamberry. A person with access to the Facebook group provided information on it to CBS MoneyWatch.

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Jamberry. A former acquaintance's sister-in-law, a CPA at that, was big in that while we still interacted. It really is amazing to see who all gets sucked into these MLMs.

(Edit) In trying to look up whether Jamberry was an MLM, it looks like the company either went belly up or has had its products acquired by another company



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That's it. Weird, my sister is a CPA. I wonder if we have met irl and not realized it. She tried to tell me even guys used it and I was like "Yeah, no thanks."

She got my other sister helping her for a while. These are two smart women who got suckered into something incredibly retarded. Then again my sister also does couponing for shit she doesn't need. I admit it's nice to get a bunch of razors but it's just cringy to see her have a huge stack of shit she doesn't need in her garage.

On a weird note the day they moved into their place like 10 years ago there was this door to door water filter salesman that had some sort of electrolysis system that made weird shit bubbling out of tap water. He thought I was the owner of the house because I was unloading boxes from the truck and I was trying my damnedest to get him away until she and my bro-in-law step out and humor him. After he left I explained that what he just demonstrated was bullshit and that if they feel they need filtered water or just softer water it would be cheaper to buy and install a water softener and filters at the tap.
 
The standard MLM like herbalife isn't so bad. You're a mug thinking it's going to be lucrative unless you're up the ladder and a mug for buying the same shit cheaper elsewhere. Worst is the jobs type MLM which is basically the same but selling services door to door as a quasi employee. The ads are misleading as are the employment terms and often youngsters end up getting driven miles away not knowing they're actually being used for low return canvassing contracts.
 
Today's Rhymes With Orange made reference to pyramid schemes.
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Here in Austin, downtown used to have these assholes asking for donations for all kinds of groups. They had the Invisible Children before the whole naked jerkoff car keying episode. They'd ask "hey do you care about kids in Africa" as a sort of guilt trip thing. I'd always respond with "How much you selling them for??" It'd leave them speechless and would get laughs from other people.
This thread is White Nationalism 1.0 without the racism. So many scams. I'm surprised David Duke doesn't have a WN MLM scheme.
Funny you mention that because George Lincoln Rockwell, founder of the American Nazi Party, would take the best donated food and money and basically fuck over everyone else in the group. As much as they go on about niggers being lazy thieves, they are just white niggers too.
 
Huh, apparently some of these MLM people are evil SOBs and are targeting the anti-MLM people by signing them up for these MLM schemes.

Something similar happened back in 2002. A rather notorious spammer was doxed and people signed him up for various junk mail and brochures to his then-current address. (Source)* (Archive)

* Original story link on the Detroit Free Press Site no longer exists (results in Error 404).
 
I got sucked into the Kirby trap for a very brief time over 25 years ago now. This is a copypasta from my post on the 'Retail Horrors' thread last month. (I didn't know there was a MLM thread until now).

So poor and needing to find some kind of work I responded to a funny ad in the classifieds that I still remember: "Bob had a job, but Bob didn't do his job. Who wants Bob's job? Call xxx-xxx-xxxx." As I was 17 at the time, I didn't see the obvious red flag of their being no info about what the job actually was. So called to apply and was asked to come down for an interview. Dressed all up and shit, polished the resume, and headed down there. I was ushered into a room with about 50 seats facing a podium. Yep, cattle call. More then a few people who showed up and saw this simply turned around and left. I should have done the same.... but 17 broke and naive.

Soon enough, guy shows up at the podium, and after some smarmy introductions and explanation that this is a door-to-door sales commission only job, puts on the video the most cringe-o-rama presentation ever about the glories of Kirby vaccuum cleaners amazing powers of sucking dirt, and it's proud history all while a god-AWFUL rape of 'love lifts us up where we belong' plays in the background. The chorus was 'Kirby lifts us up where we belong'. Yeah. After this presentation came the lecture designed to appeal to our greed as the guy went on and on about how much money every sale makes (It was a commission of $225 on a sale of a $1300 vaccuum. And this was in the late 1980s! Inflation has skyrocketed so in today's money that's like trying to convince someone to buy a vacuum cleaner for at least $2000 with a commission of $500) Manufacturing cost was probably $50 then so the rest of that went into the ever growing pyramid of trainers, supervisors, managers, branch managers, reigonal...etc etc. classic Amway style pyramid. There were also the stories of the amazing retreats and seminars that top salesmen get to go to held in gorgeous tropical paradise all expenses paid etc etc. So finally, they let us go, and ask everyone to show up tomorrow morning to start the training.

Of course, out of the 30 or so people who stayed for the whole thing, 8 of us showed up the next day, where we first had to SING A CORPORATE SONG about Kirby, and some other pump-up bullshit. (We had to do this every morning reporting to the office to be loaded into your van with your team.) Then after showing us the ins and outs of the machine and given some basic scripts on how to get in the door (my favourite memory of this was "ignore those signs saying no solicitors or agents, all that means is that they are an easy sell!") and once you are inside, how to present the product and close the deal. Then we were each presented with our own Kirby to take home and over the weekend to 'practice' selling it to your friends and family; "they will gladly help you out in your new career and go along with you! And if your practice technique is good enough, they will probably want to buy your vacuum already!"

I later found out that this is the way they get the majority of their sales, from sympathetic family members trying to give their son/nephew/cousin etc. a head start by buying the rip-off vacuum from the poor bugger trying to 'practice' selling on their family. Of course 95% of people invariably end up quitting a couple days or weeks later, and Kirby holds continuous cattle calls to get more fish in to get them to sell to family, quit, repeat forever. Churn baby, churn. Needless to say, my parents didn't buy one. (thank GodBear)

So I went along with the game, did the practice cleanup of a room showing how powerful the vaccuum is by sucking up enough dirt into a filter sheet that spells out 'kirby'. You are supposed to fill dozens of these little pads in your presentation laying them down on the floor one after another, to show the client how filthy their place really is and how bad their current vacuum really is etc by surrounding them with these fucking disks spelling Kirby in their own rug-dirt.

After a couple of fruitless days being driven around in a team of 5 and hitting neighborhood after neighborhood and regularly getting told to fuck right off, I did finally manage to make one single sale, to a guy who wasn't even working and was surely going to have his credit bounce. And it did. You could tell it was a game for him because he took all the optional extras too bringing the order up to $2000. Fuckhead.

I dealt with retirees, welfare moms, crazy cat ladies (One of these was memorable for how GODDAMN FILTHY her bed was, utterly pancake powder levels of skin cells were being pulled off into the Kirby pads. The bitch got me to basically clean her whole house saying she wanted to see it in action in this type of floor, on that room carpet etc etc. and if you want that money, you grit your teeth and do it) shut-ins and of course, immigrants who couldn't understand what the fuck you were saying or why you wanted to come in and vaccuum their house.

Then on my 4th day, I got a brutal shock during the morning meeting. One of the senior salesmen, a guy who only 3 days ago had been held up to us as a paragon of sales technique and model to follow and had been awarded a gold and diamond Kirby tie-tac (there were tiers of these things, newbies get nothing, first 10 sales gets you a plain silver K, and they get more elaborate as you 'climb the ranks'.) for his excellent sales over the years, was called up to the front and castigated infront of all of us because he hadn't made a single sale this entire month (as opposed to his usual steady 10-12 which is unreal numbers in this game) and he was stripped of his pin and fired.

After this, eyes were opened, and clearly the ladder of success does not descend to the ranks of the salesmen after all, only the business managers hired from outside instead of promoted from within. If they could so casually do that when a top guy was 'burned out' or maybe even just hitting a bad streak and just chuck his ass out, what the fuck was I doing here, and what was my fate going to be after busting ass 10 hours a day when I didn't make enough sales in my first month? /boot. churn churn churn in the next batch.

So instead of reporting to my van-master, I got my duffel bag and noped right the fuck out the door and never looked back. Of course, they didn't even try to call me and see why. There was more meat coming in later that day.

Since that day, I've been approached on average at least twice a year by some MLM or other, be it acquaintances or pure strangers. A fucking plague.
 
Locally there was a story about one of these MLM mall kiosks pressuring an autstic man to buy several thousand dollars worth of useless facial cream to clear up his acne ridden face. His parents found out and contacted the local news, politicians and the company itself. The company basicalky said "oopsy-poopsy we shouldn't have done that" I didn't hear if the man was eventually refunded or not but it caused a lot of local outrage to hear of this vunerable man being taken advantage of
 
Locally there was a story about one of these MLM mall kiosks pressuring an autstic man to buy several thousand dollars worth of useless facial cream to clear up his acne ridden face. His parents found out and contacted the local news, politicians and the company itself. The company basicalky said "oopsy-poopsy we shouldn't have done that" I didn't hear if the man was eventually refunded or not but it caused a lot of local outrage to hear of this vunerable man being taken advantage of
I am a former professional tard wrangler, and when I worked at a group home, we had another staff member who was into one of those scams. She kept trying to get us to buy in, until some of us complained and she was told to stop trying to sell things at work. I left not long after she started (I found a job that didn't involve cleaning up bodily fluids), so I never learned what happened. I just remembered since we weren't allowed to leave, she basically had a captive audience.
 
Locally there was a story about one of these MLM mall kiosks pressuring an autstic man to buy several thousand dollars worth of useless facial cream to clear up his acne ridden face. His parents found out and contacted the local news, politicians and the company itself. The company basicalky said "oopsy-poopsy we shouldn't have done that" I didn't hear if the man was eventually refunded or not but it caused a lot of local outrage to hear of this vunerable man being taken advantage of

Those fuckers. They are so aggressive and pushy and on the rare time I go to the mall I actually put my hand on my face with the back turned towards those kiosk workers in a blatant do not make eye contact approach.

One of those fuckers actually grabbed me by the arm once and started ironing my hair. I tried to walk away but the bitch had me by the hair (which was super long and down to my butt back then) and she wouldn’t let me go. I came unfucking glued. It wasn’t one of my prouder moments as a functioning member of society, but I don’t do physical contact and I DO NOT tolerate people touching my hair without permission. Mall cops were involved and it was just blown off.

I have no trouble being rude to them now and maintain constant vigilance if I can’t give them a wide berth. I’m a very nice and polite person but I will be downright nasty if they try to give me their spiel, especially since I am very obvious about not wanting to buy whatever crap they’re hawking.
 
Funny you mention that because George Lincoln Rockwell, founder of the American Nazi Party, would take the best donated food and money and basically fuck over everyone else in the group. As much as they go on about niggers being lazy thieves, they are just white niggers too.
I lost the link but dome guy involved in WN 1.0 wrote a long article that detailed all the scams and degeneracy going back to the 50's. It had everything: pedophiles, fags, jews larping as nazis, dozens of 3 letter agencies. I think the guy that wrote siege was a fed, according to this guy. It makes Dicky Spencer and P.H.A.L.A.N.X. (gay WN imperialist bathhouse/cuckshed club) look adorable.
 
Those fuckers. They are so aggressive and pushy and on the rare time I go to the mall I actually put my hand on my face with the back turned towards those kiosk workers in a blatant do not make eye contact approach.

One of those fuckers actually grabbed me by the arm once and started ironing my hair. I tried to walk away but the bitch had me by the hair (which was super long and down to my butt back then) and she wouldn’t let me go. I came unfucking glued. It wasn’t one of my prouder moments as a functioning member of society, but I don’t do physical contact and I DO NOT tolerate people touching my hair without permission. Mall cops were involved and it was just blown off.

I have no trouble being rude to them now and maintain constant vigilance if I can’t give them a wide berth. I’m a very nice and polite person but I will be downright nasty if they try to give me their spiel, especially since I am very obvious about not wanting to buy whatever crap they’re hawking.
Mall kiosk hawkers are barely one step above MLM types, IMO. About the only ones I've ever tolerated are either charities (i.e. Salvation Army), or established businesses that I'm familiar with (Hickory Farms sets up a kiosk in a local mall over the holiday; I pick up stuff from there sometimes).

Usually staring blankly at them seems to discourage them, but that's for me; I'm a big guy and I guess the blank stare makes me look like a barely-functional autist. Oh well.
 
Since Amway is a recurring topic in this thread, I'll post this news here. Amway founder Richard DeVos died the other day:

Link: https://www.inc.com/associated-press/richard-devos-died-92.html (archive)
Billionaire Richard DeVos, co-founder of direct-selling giant Amway, owner of the Orlando Magic and father-in-law of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, died Thursday. He was 92.

Family spokesman Nick Wasmiller says DeVos died at his western Michigan home due to complications from an infection.

DeVos was born in Grand Rapids, not far from Ada, the community about 140 miles (225 kilometers) west of Detroit where he later lived and died.

In 1949, he and friend Jay Van Andel took $49 and invested the modest amount into manufacturer and vitamin direct-seller Nutrilite. They became independent vitamin distributors and later used the company's person-to-person selling approach when starting Amway in Ada with an all-purpose household cleaning product.

They coined the name Amway as an abbreviation of "American Way." Over five decades, Amway became a multibillion-dollar international corporation. Van Andel died in 2004.

"Rich and my father built this company from the ground up, and in many ways Rich was the heart and soul of Amway," said Steve Van Andel, Amway's chair. "His vision and spirit inspired our employees and independent business owners for more than 50 years."

Michigan's Republican governor described DeVos as "an incredible businessman, philanthropist and true Michigander."

"The positive impact Rich had on our state is truly immeasurable," Rick Snyder said Thursday. "Through successful business ventures and charitable endeavors, he created endless opportunities for residents of many different ages and backgrounds. Rich's giving spirit is how we will always remember him, and his legacy is certain to live on forever."

Former President George W. Bush called DeVos "one of the great entrepreneurs -- and great Americans -- of our time."

"He used his business to empower others and advance the universal values of freedom, opportunity, compassion, and personal responsibility," Bush said. "Rich made his country and his community better, and he was a devoted husband, father, grandfather, and great-grandfather."

DeVos, who served as Amway's president until 1993, also was involved in the NBA, buying the Magic from a group headed by Orlando real estate developer William duPont III in 1991 for $70 million.

"Mr. DeVos' boundless generosity, inspirational leadership and infectious enthusiasm will always be remembered," Magic CEO Alex Martins said in a statement. "Simply, he was the team's No. 1 cheerleader and the best owner that a Magic fan could ever want for their team."

NBA Commissioner Adam Silver said DeVos formed a deep bond with the city of Orlando, "and whether hosting the finals or All-Star festivities, he was always incredibly welcoming to the NBA family."

Amway was not without controversy. The Federal Trade Commission charged in 1969 that the company was an illegal pyramid scheme, but ruled after a six-year investigation that it wasn't.

Amway also has been controversial because of its almost evangelical zeal in promoting free enterprise, and gained attention with DeVos' and Jay Van Andel's high-profile participation in Republican politics. DeVos was a major supporter of the Republican Party and was appointed by President Ronald Reagan to the Presidential Commission on AIDS in 1987.

DeVos and his late wife, Helen, also donated to Christian churches and ministries and various other causes through their Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation.

DeVos also supported Grand Valley State University in Allendale. In the 1970s, he served on its governing board. He later became president of the university's foundation board.

"Rich gave so much of himself to Grand Valley. His enthusiasm and vision were contagious, and drew the entire community together to help provide a world-class education to West Michigan citizens," Grand Valley State President Thomas J. Haas said in a written statement.

DeVos and Van Andel also helped revitalize downtown Grand Rapids, and many buildings and institutions in the city bear the names of the men or their company.

"I give because the Lord told me to give. But more than that, I give here because this is our town," DeVos told WOOD-TV in 2011. "The town doesn't owe me anything. I grew up here and I was blessed to grow up here and it's a good place to be."

He graduated from Grand Rapids Christian High School and attended Calvin College. DeVos served from 1944-46 in the U.S. Army Air Corps.

His son, Dick, is married to Betsy DeVos, who was appointed Education Secretary by President Donald Trump. He is also survived by three other children, two sisters and a number of grandchildren.

Services have not been finalized.

--Associated Press
 
When I was a freshman in highschool, there was a pyramid scheme that pulled nearly all the student body into it by being “a great first job you can work without being 16 yet!” and they even had fliers up on school bulliten boards. A guy that was tolerable in my class reccomended me for a job (as per pyramid scheme structure), and luckily I had parents smart enough to know I was a naive child being scammed.

Disgusting that they target stupid kids that are at the age where theyre desperate to have a job and drive but can legally do neither yet. I feel no pity for exceptional soccer mom victims, but kids are another story.
 
My mom was in the Amway thing for a while. I think the only reason she joined was because she was a single mother and wanted extra funds. She actually managed to sell things to friends and I'd end up at the meetings with some religious family. Of course after a while my mom realized it was a scam and left the group.
The mother who was the leader of the group was really weird.
 
But 99% of the suckers are always a stay at home mom, every fucking time. You see it in the military everywhere you go.

This is a huge problem on military bases. But the good news is that they're now so prevalent that no one trying to start "their own business" can make a profit, so they get out early before sinking in 1K+
 
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