🐱 Munchausen by Proxy Is Being Used Against Parents of Trans Kids

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Erin* was in the midst of divorce proceedings when the custody trouble began. She was sharing custody of her four children, ages three to nine, with her soon-to-be ex-husband when the children reported feeling unsafe at their father’s. At times, he was drunk and violent, they said. In 2017, one of the children called the police, and two of them reported that their father squeezed their necks and lifted them up by their necks when they misbehaved. After that incident, their father was arrested for child endangerment; Child Protective Services got involved but didn’t open a case. (*Erin is a pseudonym, as the custody case is ongoing.)

However, the trouble didn’t start because of Erin’s husband’s abuse allegations. It started because she was supporting her youngest child, who was assigned male at birth but had increasingly asserted that she was a girl. Gender-affirming care is widely recognized by the mainstream medical community as being best practice for treating kids with gender dysphoria, and it has been shown in research to significantly reduce negative psychological outcomes, including suicidal ideation, in trans children. But because Erin was following the recommendations of medical specialists, she was dragged into a lengthy custody battle that bled her dry financially. A court-ordered psychological evaluation found that Erin was mentally ill and mentioned that Munchausen syndrome by proxy was suspected. Ultimately, she lost custody of her four children. For the past two years, her kids have lived full-time with their father.

As trans children are increasingly coming under attack by state legislatures across the country, families of trans children are terrified that they could lose their kids for simply supporting who they are. These families are right to be worried. In Idaho, a bill passed in its House of Representatives that would criminalize gender-affirming care and punish parents who traveled to access care for their children with a felony. In Texas, Governor Greg Abbott directed the state’s Department of Family and Protective Services to investigate families who provide gender-affirming care to their children for child abuse. The agency initiated at least nine investigations into families with trans children before a lawsuit, filed by the ACLU on behalf of a DFPS employee with a trans child, led to a Travis County judge putting the directive on hold. A trial is scheduled for July, but the state appealed the injunction to the Texas Supreme Court; if the court reverses the injunction, these investigations will resume.

The legal basis for equating such care with child abuse is spurious and comes from a legal opinion issued by Texas attorney general Ken Paxton in February. Paxton’s opinion is full of citations of cases taken wildly out of context and twists the overly broad definition of abuse to make his argument. But he also leans on arguments that have been made in custody cases involving trans youth for years that claim a child’s gender variance is heavily influenced by a parent—almost always the child’s mother.

Paxton cites two CPS cases involving Munchausen syndrome by proxy, which the Cleveland Clinic defines as “a mental illness in which a person acts as if an individual he or she is caring for has a physical or mental illness when the person is not really sick.” The cases Paxton cites involve children’s serious physical illness, but he argues that gender-affirming care could constitute “the imposition of unnecessary medical procedures” and thus be considered child abuse.

Gender is so ripe for the controlling partners to grab onto.
Factitious disorder imposed on another, the current name for what was formerly called Munchausen syndrome by proxy, is a very rare diagnosis of serious mental illness. The Cleveland Clinic estimates that of 2.5 million child-abuse cases reported annually, just a thousand of the cases are related to FDIA. And crucially, that number pertains just to abuse reports, not to confirmed findings of abuse. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders first proposed the diagnosis in 1994 and officially added the disorder to the DSM-5 in 2013. As the term gained mainstream acknowledgment, the diagnosis has been widely feared by parents of children with chronic or unexplained illness, many of whom feel that the threat of the diagnosis leads to doctors not trusting parents or treating them with suspicion.

The diagnosis of FDIA is real, but it is vastly overdiagnosed, particularly in cases involving mothers of medically complex children, says Loren Pankratz, a psychologist with an expertise in factitious disorders who has served as an expert witness for decades. “Any time you have a diagnosis that is controversial or difficult”—particularly those that are diagnosed by clinicians and not by lab tests—“those are all open for accusations of disagreements and conflict,” Pankratz explains.

Although trans children receive diagnoses of gender dysphoria, many supportive parents don’t consider being trans to be an illness of any kind. “Being trans is valid and normal and just simply, you know, a human condition,” says Camellia Bellis, the founder of Parents in Transition, a support group for affirming parents involved in custody disputes. “Being accused of making your child trans or somehow influencing your child's gender identity is, at its core, offensive—and it highlights the level and the depth of the institutional and interpersonal transphobia that is just so rampant” in the family-court system, she says.

“Being trans is valid and normal and just simply...a human condition.”
When it comes to something as inflammatory as FDIA, the mere suggestion that a mother could be harming her kids this way, even without an actual diagnosis, can influence courts’ custody decisions. “I do not have Munchausen by proxy and I have never been diagnosed with it,” says Vicki Chaffin, a Kansas City mother who lost custody of her children over affirming her trans son’s gender. Still, Chaffin says the child’s appointed attorney mentioned a suspicion of FDIA in an early email about the case. Years later, a psychological evaluator again floated the suspicion—without a diagnosis—that she says negatively impacted her bid for custody. She’s currently allowed only brief supervised visits with her children.

For Erin, a single psychological evaluation changed the course of her custody case. Erin spent just a few hours with the therapist, but in that time, she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, and the therapist suggested that Munchausen syndrome by proxy was behind her child’s gender dysphoria. Erin’s own long-term psychologist disagreed with both diagnoses, but the family court took them as fact. “Dad should have sole legal custody of the children … with no shared decision-making with Mom on any issue affecting the child’s health, education, or welfare due to the mental condition of Mom and the adverse impact of Mom’s conduct and behavior on the children,” the court judgment noted. When Erin lost custody of her children, her youngest was six years old. “He was still coming into my bed to sleep at night,” she says, choking up. “He was little.”

Katherine Kuvalanka is a professor of family science and social work at Miami University in Oxford, OH and the lead author of a 2019 study of 10 cases involving mothers who affirmed their trans children’s gender identity. In four of the 10 cases, the study found, mothers lost physical or legal custody of their children. In three cases, Kuvalanka says, the non-affirming parent claimed the affirming parent had a psychological problem. “What is more likely? That a parent is pushing their child to be trans when their kid actually isn’t?” Kuvalanka asked. “Or is it much more likely that one parent is having difficulty accepting that their child is trans and they’re taking advantage of the courts?”

The research showed that in all but one of the 10 cases, affirming mothers reported coercive and controlling behaviors by their partners, in some cases including emotional and psychological abuse. In one Michigan affirming mom’s case, the father had a documented history of domestic violence and was still granted sole custody of the children. “In some cases, if it wasn’t gender, it’d just be something else, but gender is so ripe for the controlling partners to grab onto. Especially when family-court professionals aren’t knowledgable about trans identities, then those controlling partners, they know that they can wield that power; they can use that as a way to further control their partners.”

Kuvalanka says that in a yet-to-be-published follow up study, several of the mothers experienced a change for the better in their custody agreements, but those positive changes came at a hefty emotional price. For three of the children, changes were made after a “severe deterioration of their mental health and physical well-being,” Kuvalanka says. In the three and a half years between the initial study and the follow-up interviews, two of the kids had attempted suicide.

“The court gets so caught up. They get so focused on that question of ‘Is the child really trans?’” Kuvalanka says, “when really the question should be ‘What is the best environment for this child, and who is going to be providing the safest and most open and free environment for the child to be themselves?’”
 
hell these specialists can't even admit we don't know the long term effects of puberty blockers are.
This is because while not knowing is bad, acknowledging why we don't know about the long term effects is lethal to their cause. While they are right that we don't precisely know the presentation of effects, it's because we discovered enough objectively horrific side effects in the short/mid-term. For a clear example, look no further than @CIA Nigger's thread here. That's a "success" of the Lupron Protocol. That is when things go correctly. There's a reason why the medical field at large condemned the practice. There's a reason it's only existent on-label usage is to mitigate literal cancer. e: some words.
 
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Trooning out a three year old is prima facie evidence of the parent doing it being mentally ill and abusive to the point of being unfit to hold custody

Notice that there is no mention of the father being abusive the last two years, which would be screeched from the rooftops if he were. BPD groomer mom btfo by alky dad who got his act together. Cope, seethe, and dilate
 
I mean, for as "recognizable" as bpd is, one session does not a diagnosis make. If she does have BPD tho i wish those kids good luck. Its the single surefire way to fuck your kids up.
I could diagnose a Borderline at 50 paces lol. But also remember this is a Borderline who is self-reporting for the article. She has to be assumed to be lying.

There was an article going around about a week ago from a study from the late 90s iirc that showed that at least 50% of the women trooning out their sons were Borderlines. Nothing could make more sense than that. Like if you ever knew one you’re like well of course. That is exactly what a Borderline would do. This is why anyone reading Early Life for the Ed Geins and Ed Kempers and Henry Lee Lucases of the world goes OHHHHHH sure makes sense now.

Sleepaway Camp was basically a documentary and we ALL KNOW Angela was raised by a Borderline y’all didn’t even have to include that part.
 
I'd like a source for this, because I've heard the exact opposite is true.
Here’s one


Oh wait it’s the exact opposite

none of these column writers actually read white papers, or spend any time absorbing the actual content of any substantive writing on the subject; nor, if it disagreed with their opinions, would they care. for this reason, you can be sure that despite the truth of study's results, as pointed out by Jesse Singal, the headline of “Transgender and nonbinary youth who received gender affirming medical care experienced greatly reduced rates of suicidality and depression over the course of 12 months.” is what's going to be circulated in the media from now on, because that's what the libs need the narrative to be.
 
I wonder how much of this is hate/spite. It's usually a mother trooning out her young son. Not saying father trooning out his daughter hasn't happened. I'm just unaware of it.

Weather or not she's straight or gay. Mothers do this to their male children. Clearly there is some hate of maleness going on.
 
"Gender affirming healthcare" is the same as naming a goldfish "Polly" , sticking it in a bird cage with seed. a perch, and newspaper and calling it "species affirming pet care" - plus getting incensed when people point out you're killing the poor , helpless, fish - "How could I? I'm doing soooooooooooo much to make him as comfortable as a bird!"

It'd be funny, aside from, you know, the end result being murdering a poor innocent kid instead of a fish?
 
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The diagnosis of FDIA is real, but it is vastly overdiagnosed, particularly in cases involving mothers of medically complex children, says Loren Pankratz, a psychologist with an expertise in factitious disorders who has served as an expert witness for decades. “Any time you have a diagnosis that is controversial or difficult”—particularly those that are diagnosed by clinicians and not by lab tests—“those are all open for accusations of disagreements and conflict,” Pankratz explains
Gender dysphoria is diagnosed by clinicians and not tests too though. Oh the irony. And vastly over diagnosed? Nope, I don’t think so.
If I were a judge, I'd grant the alcoholic father full custody over the mother trying to troon out their children.
Is the dad even an alky? The fact he has custody and the mother LOST custody (hard to do) does make me wonder whether the accusations were to stop him getting the kids.
This article reads to me like another ‘getting ahead of the accusations’ one. Like all the ‘nasty right wingers say grooming!’ Articles this month.
This is how women abuse male children. It’s clearly a LOT more common than people want to think. The classic ‘abuser’ is a sexually/violently abusive man in peoples minds. Men like that exist, and so do women like this.
Mild PL but years back when I was pregnant I lurked parenting boards and I had assumed that if either gender was ‘not wanted.’ It would be girls. What I actually saw was many many threads on ‘gender disappointment’ which were all the same thing: dad just happy to have a baby, mum wanted a girl and has a boy. Is very unhappy about it. I often wonder how many of those women go on to abuse their boys.
 
The diagnosis of FDIA is real, but it is vastly overdiagnosed, particularly in cases involving mothers of medically complex children, says Loren Pankratz, a psychologist with an expertise in factitious disorders who has served as an expert witness for decades. “Any time you have a diagnosis that is controversial or difficult”—particularly those that are diagnosed by clinicians and not by lab tests—“those are all open for accusations of disagreements and conflict,” Pankratz explains
Gender dysphoria is diagnosed by clinicians and not tests too though. Oh the irony. And vastly over diagnosed? Nope, I don’t think so.

Is the dad even an alky? The fact he has custody and the mother LOST custody (hard to do) does make me wonder whether the accusations were to stop him getting the kids.
This article reads to me like another ‘getting ahead of the accusations’ one. Like all the ‘nasty right wingers say grooming!’ Articles this month.
This is how women abuse male children. It’s clearly a LOT more common than people want to think. The classic ‘abuser’ is a sexually/violently abusive man in peoples minds. Men like that exist, and so do women like this.
Mild PL but years back when I was pregnant I lurked parenting boards and I had assumed that if either gender was ‘not wanted.’ It would be girls. What I actually saw was many many threads on ‘gender disappointment’ which were all the same thing: dad just happy to have a baby, mum wanted a girl and has a boy. Is very unhappy about it. I often wonder how many of those women go on to abuse their boys.
Thing with dad's being happy is that your girl can be the "Ultra Rare Limited Edition" Tomboy.
 
Mild PL but years back when I was pregnant I lurked parenting boards and I had assumed that if either gender was ‘not wanted.’ It would be girls. What I actually saw was many many threads on ‘gender disappointment’ which were all the same thing: dad just happy to have a baby, mum wanted a girl and has a boy. Is very unhappy about it. I often wonder how many of those women go on to abuse their boys.
I’d be very curious to know the sexes of this child’s three older siblings. It’s a pattern seen repeatedly with mothers of trans children that often after a succession of boys and disappointment in the lack of girls, they will troon out their youngest son. Jeanette Jennings, Susie Green and Kimberly Shappley, each a mother of four, all had multiple male children and all of them transitioned their youngest son. In both Green and Shappley’s case, they had only boys.
 
I have two young kids. They had no idea what gender even was when they were three. I do not think it is possible for three-year-olds to articulate the idea of being the wrong gender. Why would this concept even exist in a three-year-old's mind? What is the functional difference between a three-year-old boy or girl? What can a three-year-old girl do that a boy can't?
 
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I have two young kids. They had no idea what gender even was when they were three. I do not think it is possible for three-year-olds to articulate the idea of being the wrong gender. Why would this concept even exist in a three-year-old's mind? What is the functional difference between a three-year-old boy or girl? What can a three-year-old girl do that a boy can't?
Agree completely, when mine were that age they had no idea, didn’t really care at all. At 4 ish you get the ‘mummy, you don’t have a Willy!’ Conversation when they see you get changed, and they still don’t really care. All mine have had a mix of toys, and all have preferred ‘their’ sex of toys but played with anything. There was a dollhouse that was inhabited solely by dinosaurs for a year or two.
The girl/boy thing only starts at 5 plus and that’s the age when they start ‘real school ’ and get socialised by a wider circle and physical size starts to be slightly more apparent. So it’s probably a mix of more social interaction and growing up that makes them realise girls and boys exist.
NO child of three really even knows what a girl or a boy is. No child, especially one that young should be distressed by their body to the point they insist they’re the opposite sex. Like you say - what’s the functional difference at that age? They play with the same pool of toys, do the same things and are cuddly little toddler shaped blobs.
A child experiencing significant distress and awareness of the sexed physical body has had that imposed upon them - by either sexual and/or emotional abuse or grooming.
 
Youngest child is three. And he's trans? I don't want to say that dad wasn't strangling his kids. But it's possibly they were told by mommy to report false abuse. It's also really easy to convince a young child that fake things actually happened.

These kids might be doomed no matter which parent they are with.

Mommy's got serious issues though if she's trying to troon out her toddler. You never saw this before. Now suddenly there's all these little kindertroons popping up. It just doesn't make sense.
 
I mean, ignoring all other aspects and focusing on statistics alone, this is a tough one. Munchausen's by proxy is ridiculously rare but i'd imagine that a prepubescent child with gender dysphoria is equally unlikely. Hell the kid's 3 even if he's a little effeminate its waaaay to early to assume the kid isnt just...an effeminate dude.

In any way, shouldnt a diagnosis either way require, you know, fucking doctors? All I'm seeing is dipshit mom claiming her son is a she while dipshit dad says she's crazy.

Since when are parents licenced psychiatrists?
There was a court ordered psychiatric evaluation of the mother.
 
I mean, ignoring all other aspects and focusing on statistics alone, this is a tough one. Munchausen's by proxy is ridiculously rare but i'd imagine that a prepubescent child with gender dysphoria is equally unlikely. Hell the kid's 3 even if he's a little effeminate its waaaay to early to assume the kid isnt just...an effeminate dude.
There is a zero percent chance a three year old is trans. They have absolutely no concept of gender beyond, at most, a very basic understanding that some people look different from them. Anyone who takes a three year old's claims about being the wrong gender seriously is a groomer or a munchie. No exceptions.

Munchausen's by proxy is ridiculously rare
Is it? Or is it ridiculously underdiagnosed?
 
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