My friend joined AntiFa, what do I do?

[BOONES]

Two lead "pills" should do the trick.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Snitch about your friends' private and social life and what worries you about her to your friends' parents. They will have a good talk within the family.

You can also buy your friend this book:
Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters

Maybe she'll read it or maybe she won't, but at least its mere presence may sow seeds of doubt in her mind.

Both people who go into antifa and people who transition don't tend to have the best relationships with their family, and the overt goal of these cells is to snip off one's connections to their old self wholesale. The idea of getting their folks involved only obliquely has a chance if they've yet to be fully indoctrinated, and it runs the risk of speeding up the process. So soon as they have a single struggle session or intense self-critique (I forget the exact name of the ritual), they're already being re-programmed in a mental sense. This practice is pretty well-established and well-rehearsed, which is part of why these trends exist.

Offering up anything that is overtly anti-trans will get them immediately on the defense. You can really only bring something like that up if they themselves are already having doubt, as you might otherwise steel their resolve - "if even my good friend doesn't understand, then this society really is rotten." By contrast, learning the talking points -personally- of a book like that, and figuring out how to lead the question -- that is, figuring out how to get them to ask the question on their own, that can be worthwhile. They'll obviously ask it of their fairweather confidants - but the best answers the radicals can provide to some of these questions don't tend to be very satisfying in the long-run.

The complete shock and awe that I can recall from my college days, when some yuppie bi chick I knew realized that a guy who was bi and crossdressed was sexually harassing, mentally berating, and all around just a cunt -- she had trouble reconciling "they are LGBT" with "they are not a good person." I believe they were 21 at the time, too - 21, and their worldview was so complicated as "LGBT = GOOD," and that's all it took to crack it. This one, of course, had volunteered at the local anarchist bookstore/staging ground. The radicals go out of their way to target impressionable, inexperienced people who have just never had to ask any questions.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Offering up anything that is overtly anti-trans will get them immediately on the defense. You can really only bring something like that up if they themselves are already having doubt, as you might otherwise steel their resolve - "if even my good friend doesn't understand, then this society really is rotten." By contrast, learning the talking points -personally- of a book like that, and figuring out how to lead the question -- that is, figuring out how to get them to ask the question on their own, that can be worthwhile. They'll obviously ask it of their fairweather confidants - but the best answers the radicals can provide to some of these questions don't tend to be very satisfying in the long-run.

→ I would also like to add that former trans people, like this user, could offer advice on how to approach such a person. ←

Spoiler: highlight

I used to identify as trans, I realise now what a complete load of nonsense it really is and how others took advantage of my vulnerability. I've gone from troon to gender critical

'Trans' is a cult and the same methods as when 'de-culting' someone should probably be used. That is, not confronting them directly, but pointing out small idiocies, inconsistencies in the 'doctrine'.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Ever read the book, "Of Mice and Men"?

*RDR2 Voice* LENNY....
Please, I can't mercy kill or call the police on her until they do something, like in the book. The best I can do is mercy kill my attachment to her.

Snitch about your friends' private and social life and what worries you about her to your friends' parents. They will have a good talk within the family.

You can also buy your friend this book:
Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters

Maybe she'll read it or maybe she won't, but at least its mere presence may sow seeds of doubt in her mind.

I'll probably order that book for myself instead of my friend for what Rich Evans Apologist outlined below. I think their parents took her coming out well, but I'm not sure if they know her Antifa activites. It would be a good idea to call them anyway for the sake of it, see what their thoughts are on their child. They're liberal Californians, but old concerned parents first and foremost.

I could imagine the bitchfit and panic attack she'd have over twitter if I did order it for her lol. Probably the best way to get yeeted from her life right now aside from calling her a tranny (as I said I love her as my brother and cant do that to her).

Two words right from the OP: "Antifa Catboy"

Muthafucker I wish I could unsee them myself.

Both people who go into antifa and people who transition don't tend to have the best relationships with their family, and the overt goal of these cells is to snip off one's connections to their old self wholesale. The idea of getting their folks involved only obliquely has a chance if they've yet to be fully indoctrinated, and it runs the risk of speeding up the process. So soon as they have a single struggle session or intense self-critique (I forget the exact name of the ritual), they're already being re-programmed in a mental sense. This practice is pretty well-established and well-rehearsed, which is part of why these trends exist.

Offering up anything that is overtly anti-trans will get them immediately on the defense. You can really only bring something like that up if they themselves are already having doubt, as you might otherwise steel their resolve - "if even my good friend doesn't understand, then this society really is rotten." By contrast, learning the talking points -personally- of a book like that, and figuring out how to lead the question -- that is, figuring out how to get them to ask the question on their own, that can be worthwhile. They'll obviously ask it of their fairweather confidants - but the best answers the radicals can provide to some of these questions don't tend to be very satisfying in the long-run.

The complete shock and awe that I can recall from my college days, when some yuppie bi chick I knew realized that a guy who was bi and crossdressed was sexually harassing, mentally berating, and all around just a cunt -- she had trouble reconciling "they are LGBT" with "they are not a good person." I believe they were 21 at the time, too - 21, and their worldview was so complicated as "LGBT = GOOD," and that's all it took to crack it. This one, of course, had volunteered at the local anarchist bookstore/staging ground. The radicals go out of their way to target impressionable, inexperienced people who have just never had to ask any questions.

Basically. Their parents are in another state too so they can't even administer more hands on care, nor would they because they respect that my friend is over 18.

The best part of cults is when they undo themselves with unsatisfactory answers. Wish more people didn't have the sunk cost fallacy towards them but cults are effective for a reason. I like the idea of learning the talking points, even if I don't talk her out of anything that will probably help someone else peak trans IRL in my area.

It's a shame that "LBGT = GOOD" is so prevaliant. Even my old ass gay uncle will tell you there are some rotten sons of bitches out there and not to use it as a morality compass, but he's an old breed slowly being replaced by the youth with more black and white views fueled by pain. Perhaps one day we'll get a balance, but until then, sigh.

→ I would also like to add that former trans people, like this user, could offer advice on how to approach such a person. ←

'Trans' is a cult and the same methods as when 'de-culting' someone should probably be used. That is, not confronting them directly, but pointing out small idiocies, inconsistencies in the 'doctrine'.

This I'll definitely be looking into and putting into practice. Bless our poor detrans users, they're fabulous. Thanks man, and thanks for the book rec!

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

I'll probably order that book for myself instead of my friend for what Rich Evans Apologist outlined below. I think their parents took her coming out well, but I'm not sure if they know her Antifa activites. It would be a good idea to call them anyway for the sake of it, see what their thoughts are on their child. They're liberal Californians, but old concerned parents first and foremost.

I could imagine the bitchfit and panic attack she'd have over twitter if I did order it for her lol. Probably the best way to get yeeted from her life right now aside from calling her a tranny (as I said I love her as my brother and cant do that to her).

Her parents are your only ally in getting your friend out of the cult. Maybe share the book with them? Or send them these videos:

 

[AMHOLIO]

Her parents are your only ally in getting your friend out of the cult. Maybe share the book with them? Or send them these videos:

Nope, her parents accept her using her grandpa's name as her own. I'm up the creek without a paddle friend.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Ask them after the election, "Are you winning, yet?" then laugh at their response.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Ask them after the election, "Are you winning, yet?" then laugh at their response.

Sounds like a good way to make them want to an hero. Ain't disliking them that much yet.
This also implies I am not a libcuck, but unfortunately I am (Trump getting reelected isn't a big deal for me though, if just because some things I'm fine with and others can hopefully be mitigated later or might surprise me with benefits).

 

[Aidan]

I think you got plenty of talk on the matter to the point where I'd just be repeating things, but good luck and don't feel too bad if things don't work out the way you want, it's certainly not your fault.
I wish there'd be some national epiphany with these lost souls and they look around at their associates and what they're saying and doing and think..."wait.."

 

[AMHOLIO]

I think you got plenty of talk on the matter to the point where I'd just be repeating things, but good luck and don't feel too bad if things don't work out the way you want, it's certainly not your fault.
I wish there'd be some national epiphany with these lost souls and they look around at their associates and what they're saying and doing and think..."wait.."

Thanks man, I really need that encouragement. I'll make the fabled phonecall to them soon. I'll do my best and have no regrets
And god, me too. It might increase the suicide rate, but there will be plenty who'd bounce back and man, what a world it could be

 

[Xerxes IX]

Sounds like a good way to make them want to an hero. Ain't disliking them that much yet.
This also implies I am not a libcuck, but unfortunately I am (Trump getting reelected isn't a big deal for me though, if just because some things I'm fine with and others can hopefully be mitigated later or might surprise me with benefits).

After the election is when you've really got to come in and try and make inroads with your friend. A Trump victory could very well radicalize them further down the rabbit hole, since there will be leftist accelerationists especially among the Antifa types who will see the election as a reason to "fight" even harder. It's a critical time to be there for them, especially as a counterbalance to the people who know who will want them to go full radical. I remember when Trump won the first time and people in the libcuck/leftist circles around me were shouting down others who wanted to make people feel better instead of having meltdowns and being angry. (kind of like how people now are getting shouted down for saying Covid-19 isn't as awful as expected, how do you like that)

They were there for you, just try and be there for them. But if they don't take to it I also wish that one day people will come to their senses and realize there's more to life than treating political and sociocultural beliefs like it's organized religion, and that that day will be soon.

 

[Felis Meanis]

Why do you need to do anything? I'm friends with nazis and commies, we basically all accept that we'd kill each other on the battlefield. Literally this:

That's pretty dumb, to put it mildly. Unless you hold values that are approximately as retarded as those that these groups espouse, there is no reason whatsoever to socialize with them. Don't mistake you doing so for being level-headed and sensible about "differing opinions", by the way. It's just dumb. Grow a pair.

As for OP's enquiry, I'd say the same as many others here have already phrased in a far better way, i.e. that you should reach out a hand and let your friend know that you're there for her to talk to. I realize what your releationship means to you, but if things escalate further from here on you might want to consider cutting her off. I'd say that her hands-on participating in the absolute retardation and evil that is Antifa is an enormous red flag as is, though. At any rate, you're an adult, as is she; while some people might want to envision themselves as an empathetic savior in situations like this, the truth of the matter is that you're both mature enough to be held accountable for your choices, at least in relation to the kind of choices that political and extremist affiliation entails. Had she been brainwashed by some cult like Scientology I'd perhaps considered kidnapping and deprogramming if the friendship meant that much to me, but we're talking about your friend being so unbelievably dumb as to joining the likes of Antifa. There is little valid comparison in the amount of stupid in that, I'm afraid. She's 18 years old and therefore of age. It's not your fault that arrested development have taken our part of the world with storm. She seems to be rather unhinged as well, what with the gender issues and whatnot, so I don't imagine that many people would think lesser of you if you decided that you simply can't shoulder that much unbalanced baggage in your life. I certainly wouldn't. In short, be there for her if you manages to come to her senses, and otherwise let her be. She will have to make her own happiness and unhappiness.

This all makes me think of the book American Pastoral, by the way. Coming to grips with that a loved one might be an extremist asshole certainly isn't easy, that's for sure.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

That's pretty dumb, to put it mildly. Unless you hold values that are approximately as retarded as those that these groups espouse, there is no reason whatsoever to socialize with them. Don't mistake you doing so for being level-headed and sensible about "differing opinions", by the way. It's just dumb. Grow a pair.

I'm not clear on why you think it's dumb. From where I'm standing it doesn't really make much difference who I socialize with, I'll always massively disagree with most people around me.

 

[Vesuvius]

I spent a long time around antifa-lite types a while back. The problem with getting someone out is that they build a network to trap people unhappy with their lives. Everyone who has made the cult comparison is 100% on point. OP, if you really want to extract your friend, you've got your work cut out for you.

Spoiler: Why it'll be difficult

Everyone there is deeply unhappy. Everyone in that group was unemployed or doing part time retail for a couple of hours a week. They all felt unfulfilled and tried to fill that void with shit like transitioning, social advocacy, plotting the revolution, etc. Because they're so deeply unhappy, they believe everyone else who seems happy is either faking it, or too stupid to understand how bad things are in the world. They surround themselves with every single piece of bad news they can find and use it whip each other into a frenzy about how we're about to face Armageddon any day now. It's exhausting, but they feel like it's their duty to keep up with it. Likely, your friend is mentally exhausted from being around this cloud of negativity.

They're convinced there is nothing they can do to help their position in life. This is, of course, through no fault of their own. They work to convince everyone else in the group that they too can never better their lot in life, and everyone who has has done so because of "privilege" or whatever. This is especially true if you happen to be POC or LGBT or which ever oppressed minority of the day they want to worship. If you tried to improve yourself, it was actually looked down upon, not explicitly but there was always an air of "oh well don't be surprised if your endeavor fails, you were never meant to succeed because of capitalism". This ensures the peons will never rise above their station.

Their greatest positive personality trait is unconditional tolerance. Unless you believed in the wrong thing of course. Everyone who was part of the group had the unconditional support of everyone else, and if you ever strayed from the path, everyone was there to scream at you helpfully remind you of how you're supposed to think. The things I read in that group should horrify any sane person but because everyone was a friend to each other, everyone would support any level of degeneracy anyone else professed to. No one would ever tell someone else they made a poor decision, everything was reacted to with the same faux celebration as something legitimately good. Constant discourse about everyone's lurid pasts dragged out things from just about everyone that most people probably wouldn't want to share. I wouldn't be surprised if your friend's talked about some deeply personal things to their new antifa friends. Things that they probably don't want to get out.

They are convinced that whatever they do, it is justified to fight bigotry/capitalism/nazis. Everything is justified in the quest for their communism utopia. That or it's all fake news. Killing white people is justified for their centuries of colonialism. The shooting at that one Republican Congress baseball game was justified because Republicans are literally killing us right now. Holodomor? Why that is just American propaganda, comrade. Never happened. Stalin and Mao never killed anyone, ever, that wasn't justified. And if you mention how fucked up that is, it's because you have white fragility and are brainwashed by capitalism.

So the world is awful and you're stuck in it. But we're here to support you, and we're on the right side of history. When the revolution happens, where do you want to be?

Showing your powerlevel to your friend will likely just make them retract deeper into their cocoon, but I don't know how deep your relationship is. Maybe it will work. The only people I've seen leave the group were those ousted for wrongthink, those who were abused so much I'm not sure if they didn't kill themselves afterwards, and those who actually ended up improving their lives and left "on good terms". Getting into a relationship with a responsible person who didn't live online seemed to be the cleanest path out. If your friend is a game developer, perhaps encourage them to do a game jam or their own shit. They don't need to live in San Francisco to have a job, especially now with every company going remote. It's a double-edged sword with that industry though, they might just be jumping from one antifa group to another with indie game dev.