CN My Volvo Lost Brakes And Crashed After Software Update - We are sorry, braking is no longer supported in this software version, please update to the latest version.

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Source: Carscoops Archive: Ghost

Brake failure isn’t something most drivers expect, especially in a brand-new vehicle. But a recent incident involving a Volvo plug-in hybrid highlighted a software flaw serious enough to be at the center of a recall affecting nearly 12,000 vehicles. The problem, already identified by Volvo, surfaced in dramatic fashion after a troubling incident on a mountain road in California, and the driver involved reached out to Carscoops to share the details firsthand.

The owner, a California resident we’ll refer to as Max for privacy reasons, provided his full name and documentation to Carscoops. He reported a complete loss of braking and a subsequent crash while descending a steep mountain in his two-month-old Volvo XC90 PHEV. What made the situation more unsettling was that he had just received a software update at his local dealership.

As it turns out, Max’s vehicle is one of thousands affected by a recent recall warning drivers not to use one-pedal driving or B-mode. The recall covers the S60, V60, S90, XC60, XC90, XC40, EX40, EC40, and C40 models from the 2020 to 2026 model years. This same driver gave us a firsthand look at just how frightening the failure can be.

A Known Bug With a Very Specific Trigger
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The issue occurred on May 13 and involved a Volvo XC90 Recharge that was running software version 3.5.14. We’ll circle back to that shortly, but it’s important to first point out that 3.5.14 is the same version that Volvo cautioned drivers about a few weeks ago. The problem included the loss of braking power after a driver engaged B-mode or one-pedal driving.

At the time, it specifically said that the issue only happens after “coasting downhill for at least 1 minute and 40 seconds.” That sounded oddly specific, and we pointed out at the time that it would be rare for most drivers to do that. Clearly, it wasn’t rare enough to avoid a recall, and now we know why: at least one driver experienced it firsthand and sent us the documentation to prove it.

The Harrowing Experience

As the driver descended a mountainside on Corona Road in Carmel Highlands, California, they used B-mode. The road is narrow, and a drop-off sits on the passenger side of the car the entire way down. A dashcam and an onboard data recorder captured data throughout the entire ordeal.

Here’s how the driver described the event to Carscoops: “The brakes on my 2-month-old XC90 completely failed. This was just a few hours after receiving the software update version 3.5.14 at an authorized Volvo dealer. I was driving down a steep, narrow mountain road and was forced to steer off the road into the side of a hill to avoid going over a cliff.”

Roughly 1:40 into the descent, the vehicle begins to speed up without throttle input. Data from the onboard recorder shows that the service brake is on, but the car continues to speed up. At this stage, the driver simply wanted to avoid picking up any more speed, so they drove up onto the hill on the left.

Dirt flies, the car rocks, and then returns to the roadway. Thankfully, the brakes engage again, and the car stops, but the damage is done. Some airbags deployed, the front driver’s side wheel, tire, and suspension suffered damage, and the occupants were shaken up. In fact, the impact was so hard that the wheel itself split into pieces. Additional damage was done to the undercarriage.

Max later brought in a forensic accident reconstruction engineer to review the onboard data and footage. Their conclusion? “The Pre-Crash data corroborates [the driver’s] story that the vehicle brakes were not responding while coming down the hill. The speed increases in the five seconds prior to impact; there is no throttle application, but there is service brake application the entire time and no slowing down.”

Volvo Responds, But Concerns Remain
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After reviewing the findings, we contacted Volvo for comment. The company responded with the following:

Safety is a top priority for Volvo Cars, and we are treating this incident seriously.


A recall was recently issued on certain plug-in hybrid and pure electric Volvo cars to address braking functionality that could potentially be affected after at least 1 minute 30 seconds of coasting downhill in ‘B’ mode or One Pedal Drive without applying the brake pedal. A review of the onboard data from this customer’s car indicates this scenario applied at the time of the incident, and we are working closely with them to rectify the situation.

We provided a software fix for this issue earlier in June and ask all owners with impacted vehicles to download the latest over-the-air update or take their vehicle to their nearest authorized Volvo Cars retailer to correct the issue. If they have not yet had the corrective software installed, they should not select ‘B’ mode or One Pedal Drive while driving.”


After inspecting the vehicle on June 27, Volvo told the owner it had completed repairs and installed the latest software update. It confirmed those repairs would be covered under warranty. Still, Max wasn’t satisfied with the company’s statement. “We almost died and they don’t even say they’re sorry,” he said, calling it a “lame response.”

Unanswered Questions

Volvo has actively engaged with Carscoops throughout our investigation, but there are still some unanswered questions. For example, we’re still waiting on an official chronology report to the NHTSA to understand how the company became aware of this issue.

We still don’t know exactly what it is about software version 3.5.14 that triggers the malfunction. It’s also notable that Volvo’s original guidance mentioned the failure could occur after one minute and forty seconds of coasting downhill. That threshold has since been revised to one minute and thirty seconds, a small but curious change that adds to the unanswered questions.

For now, owners included in the recall need to be very diligent. They either have to make sure that they’ve updated their software beyond 3.5.14, or avoid one-pedal driving or B-mode. It could save not just their cars but, much more importantly, their lives, and that’s what really matters to all parties involved here.

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Driver is at fault for buying a car without mechanical linkages for the brakes and steering. You get what you fucking deserve.
 
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and we pointed out at the time that it would be rare for most drivers to do that.

The author of the article is retarded. Going downhill is when "B" mode is most effective, so of course you might use it going down a road like picrel. To, you know, charge your shit. You do it for as long as you're doing downhill.Untitled.webp

This is actually quite serious indeed especially for a company whose entire brand is “safety.”
 
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there's got to be more to this.
from the article it's not clear if the driver hit the brake pedal or just lifted off and hoped the 1 pedal mode would stop them[like a retard]
 
there's got to be more to this.
from the article it's not clear if the driver hit the brake pedal or just lifted off and hoped the 1 pedal mode would stop them[like a retard]
Max later brought in a forensic accident reconstruction engineer to review the onboard data and footage. Their conclusion? “The Pre-Crash data corroborates [the driver’s] story that the vehicle brakes were not responding while coming down the hill. The speed increases in the five seconds prior to impact; there is no throttle application, but there is service brake application the entire time and no slowing down.”
 
there's got to be more to this.
from the article it's not clear if the driver hit the brake pedal or just lifted off and hoped the 1 pedal mode would stop them[like a retard]
B-mode is dynamic braking like on a diesel-electric locomotive, where the electric motor is turned by the wheels and generates power, which in the car's case goes back into the batteries. Of course, as soon as you open the circuit the motor has no physical resistance to turning and wheee! you're going down. I wanna know why the service brakes didn't then stop the vehicle, if they were on the whole time.
 
Who asked for all this technology to be put in cars? What possible benefit is gained for it?
Rent-seeking by an oligopoly that has reached the limits of growth.

Your car can no longer be repaired by Mike and the Mechanics down the street, it now needs to be reprogrammed by Rajesh "Steve in Alabama" and its touchscreen replaced and "authenticated" by the dealership for a 500% markup.
 
At the time, it specifically said that the issue only happens after “coasting downhill for at least 1 minute and 40 seconds.” That sounded oddly specific, and we pointed out at the time that it would be rare for most drivers to do that
"Oddly specific." Yeah, no shit. It's exactly 100 seconds. How the fuck did he manage not to do the math to make that observation. Stupid fucking journalist. It's entirely possible there's some fuckup involving some timer exceeding 99 (perhaps it's an overflow for a two-digit number or something equally stupid) that's causing a crash (heh) somewhere on the bus and screwing up the ECM or BCM.
 
Who asked for all this technology to be put in cars? What possible benefit is gained for it?
Imo, it's part of a government conspiracy to inhibit personal travel. Governments work with auto corporations, who have their own obvious short-term financial incentives, to inhibit the ability for people to perform maintenance and repairs on their own cars. This adds financial burdens to car ownership, leads to a loss of what was a common skill (car maintenance and repair), creates barriers to long-term car ownership, and overall makes travel by car less desirable to the average citizen.
 
I wouldn't buy a volvo made after they got bought by geely, even the chinese don't like geely group cars.
 
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Who asked for all this technology to be put in cars? What possible benefit is gained for it?
Well...
You know all of those people who think everything digital is good, and have an aversion to analog and manual? Blame those people. I sperg about technology but it's not about technology in general (it does have it's uses) but when it's added just to add it or there to enable more nickle and diming through subscriptions, or primarily to impress investors (because ooh shiny and line must go up) even as it can make whatever it is put into, worse.

In this case it's cars.

Cars and quite a few other things don't need to be computerized beyond a few critical points because it adds needless complexity (and more ways to go wrong or break) to systems. Especially as it's involving braking systems that failed and could have easily ended in the driver rocketing off a cliff.

This push to digitze everything is going to end in more and more life-changing accidents and tragedies, because it's easier to see something physical going wrong with the breaks, but not when it involves a computer program that can look innocuous hut hide a deadly software flaw.

Unfortunately I think it's just going to get worse, too many people are enthralled and inpressed by stupidly complex things that come with a touchscreen and apps (especially the rich) so expect more digital brake failures and other things involving 'software issues.'
 
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there's got to be more to this.
from the article it's not clear if the driver hit the brake pedal or just lifted off and hoped the 1 pedal mode would stop them[like a retard]
I am also skeptical because people have a tendency to slam the gas pedal when they panic. No, I don’t trust the so-called forensic engineer as that could be literally anyone.
 
Well...
You know all of those people who think everything digital is good, and have an aversion to analog and manual? Blame those people. I sperg about technology but it's not about technology in general (it does have it's uses) but when it's added just to add it or there to enable more nickle and diming through subscriptions, or primarily to impress investors (because ooh shiny and line must go up) even as it can make whatever it is put into, worse.

In this case it's cars.

Cars and quite a few other things don't need to be computerized beyond a few critical points because it adds needless complexity (and more ways to go wrong or break) to systems. Especially as it's involving braking systems that failed and could have easily ended in the driver rocketing off a cliff.

This push to digitze everything is going to end in more and more life-changing accidents and tragedies, because it's easier to see something physical going wrong with the breaks, but not when it involves a computer program that can look innocuous hut hide a deadly software flaw.

Unfortunately I think it's just going to get worse, too many people are enthralled and inpressed by stupidly complex things that come with a touchscreen and apps (especially the rich) so expect more digital brake failures and other things involving 'software issues.'
The frustrating thing for me, especially when it comes to shit like brakes and engines, is that both function under the universal physical laws of nature. As long as you know the tolerances of the materials involved you can machine precision the correct output without any computers at all and the brakes and engines will do what they are designed to do.

For fucks sake. We had steam locomotives powered by Coal fire in the 1800s and the only thing remotely like digital assistance on that was a pressure reader. And not a digital reader either. Yet the engineers in the cabin could safely pull thousands of tons of cargo down the rails because they knew what the machine could do, how it did it and what pressure the steam needed to be within its material tolerances.

Its mind blowing to me that car companies saw the wheel and said...yes, but can we make something BETTER then the wheel? Its made everything needlessly complicated and more dangerous.
 
Who asked for all this technology to be put in cars? What possible benefit is gained for it?
Pearl clutching assholes being worried about retarded drivers (and teenagers) causing massive accidents and dying in the process over their stupid decisions on the road.
Now every new car needs hundreds of safety feature where your car must be connected to the internet so the steering wheel can automatically adjust itself because its freaking out that you haven't turned on your signal yet.
You'll have to actually read that manual if you want to turn that shit off but even then I don't think they'll even give you a choice anymore and will just force you to use it even if you are a highly experienced driver.
 
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