Mystery Woman's Story - You dare question the King's indefatigable loyalty to his GF???

[Yellow Yam Scam]

And I'll also just say this.
The more outlandish the claims about private stuff are, the harder it is to be proven (especially when mentioning stuff like videos). By making extremely outlandish claims it provides a very easy exit for the person being squeezed to fulfill the squeezers demands. By claiming that certain things aren't certain (like "that might not be me in that photo") it provides enough opportunity for things to go away quietly

I did raise the possibility very early on that this identity was perhaps purchased via the darknet as a ready-to-go blackmail option, which would be a definite possibility if it wasn't for the preexisting tweets to Phil. It's certainly not impossible, although unlikely, that this is an effort to blackmail DSP which is again very hard to prove/disprove.

Its a very interesting discussion and proving/disproving that Mysterywoman is a bad actor is extremely difficult. A lot of this discussion relies on her internet history, which again, as I stated before is extremely hard to verify without her screwing herself over.

And again, assuming this is all true, if she did actually pull the nuclear option she would be forfeiting the money owed to her. As we all know, since very early on the money owed has been the primary issue. Not Phil's reputation, not making a bunch of people on a forum happy. It has always been about money owed.

I'll link what I wrote before:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-1970#post-2859602

The best answer you can expect (because if its all true then Phil is surely not stupid enough to piss this person off further) is what happens with the mystery girlfriend or what happens if Phil somehow doesn't manage to pay this debt.

A lot of people are looking at the here and now when you should all really be focusing on the near future.

The claimed existence of a video also brings the whole routine into kafkatrap territory. The perception, in the case that the video comes out will be that Phil is guilty of what he's been accused of, which is reasonable. However, if the video doesn't come out, the perception will be that he paid to have the supposed video go away and is guilty of what he's been accused of. Which is unreasonable, because occam's razor tells us that no video ever existed in the first place. It's a nice little trick to play. DSP should be in contact with a lawyer either way.

 

[neger psykolog]

The claimed existence of a video also brings the whole routine into kafkatrap territory. The perception, in the case that the video comes out will be that Phil is guilty of what he's been accused of, which is reasonable. However, if the video doesn't come out, the perception will be that he paid to have the supposed video go away and is guilty of what he's been accused of. Which is unreasonable, because occam's razor tells us that no video ever existed in the first place. It's a nice little trick to play. DSP should be in contact with a lawyer either way.

I'm not so sure what a lawyer would have to say.
From what we know the NDA is invalidated if he fails to make payment, so at that point, the other party can do whatever they want.

If I heard a lawyer was involved, then I'd assume the NDA to be real.

If he were genuinely being blackmailed (which would assume that never hired this lady in the first place; what has transpired here doesn't fall under the definition of blackmail imho), then he should probably call da cops. If it was like that, then he has nothing to lose by calling the cops.

If I heard da cops were involved, then I'd assume this was a very in depth attempt at blackmail.


If I heard the other party do a very strange, short prestream, not snort for a period of time, then launch into a 15 minute rant about the situation (despite saying he wouldn't)... in that case its very difficult to know what to assume.

Blackmail would imply that the Mysterywoman account gets something out of all of this financially or somehow. Destroying Phil's reputation would imply that there's no direct benefit.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

I'm not so sure what a lawyer would have to say.
From what we know the NDA is invalidated if he fails to make payment, so at that point, the other party can do whatever they want.

If he were genuinely being blackmailed, then he should probably call da cops.

There's lots of things a lawyer would have to say, the first would be regarding the authenticity and validity of the NDA. Escorts aren't known for carrying around legally binding documents (especially ones that are valid in countries they don't live in) and they definitely are known for hoping that clients are too scared to seek legal counsel for fear of embarrassment.

 

[KingjadVCMP]

BTW the whole "woof woof" thing probably means dogging. Anything else would be very fucked up, even by Phil standards

 

[neger psykolog]

BTW the whole "woof woof" thing probably means dogging. Anything else would be very fucked up, even by Phil standards

I'm personally disregarding most of the accusations in the realm of the bedroom. The facts that are worth focusing on are unrelated to those aspects.

Provided this is all true, then it would be in the escort's best interest to provide an "out" for the client that allegedly has outstanding payments and has cut off communication. If the claims were very vanilla in nature, then it'd be far, far easier to prove. Outlandish claims are far more difficult to both organize and prove.

Outlandish claims = sex stuff
Vanilla claims = NDAs and payment plans

Provided this is all true, then it would probably be in the alleged client's best interest to not provide a fucking "in" in the first place for something like this to ever happen again. Namely by not fucking doing a house tour about their new mysterious girlfriend in the first fucking place.

 

[FrankPentangeli]

I'd be interested in why Phil chose not to hire locally but went to a completely different continent and, given his paranoia of detractors, went for one that obviously knew who he was. For me they the most relevant facts not to have been addressed.

 

[James Smith]

I'd be interested in why Phil chose not to hire locally but went to a completely different continent and, given his paranoia of detractors, went for one that obviously knew who he was. For me they the most relevant facts not to have been addressed.

Maybe because the last woman to fuck him was a fan and as far as we know there's only been one woman in his life in the past 10 or so years. He could very well just be a sexual predator who has identified fans as his prey.

 

[HG 400]

I'd be interested in why Phil chose not to hire locally but went to a completely different continent and, given his paranoia of detractors, went for one that obviously knew who he was. For me they the most relevant facts not to have been addressed.

Also throw in the fact that he went for a girl whose draw is doing extreme fetish work, despite only hiring her for a vanilla girlfriend experience. It even looks like she might have added the vanilla-only option to her menu just for him. That's three separate reasons that make her a poor choice of escort for Phil's situation.

My guess is it goes back to the compulsive shopping thing, and she was just the escort he happened to be looking at when he decided he wanted an escort. He sees a thing ; he wants it, he buys it. A sensible person would shop around before dropping 6k plus travel expenses on an escort, but I don't think Phil's the type to ever shop around.

 

[Lurkette]

tbh it comes across as a lot more human than Phil talking about anything.

yeah, as dumb as it is to follow someone you don't know to a unknown place for a strange reason, where you're fairly certain you'll be charged for entering, it still comes off as more "curious and bored" then "AWH CAHM AHN DOOD"

 

[Cyber Bowling]

I'd be interested in why Phil chose not to hire locally but went to a completely different continent and, given his paranoia of detractors, went for one that obviously knew who he was. For me they the most relevant facts not to have been addressed.

I believe this was addressed earlier. Kim was a fan of DSP from several years ago as shown by tweets. Her twitter is pretty clear about what she does for a living, so after Leanna, Phil ended up approaching her. I believe the tweets were positive in nature, so he felt safe about it. Especially with there being a NDA involved. I admit, it is a little weird that he'd remember her after all that time since I believe the DSP tweets were from some time ago, but eh, it certainly isn't impossible. Phil was definitely going through a pretty lonely period where he was dropping his facade of "I'm just a happy positive dude who totally enjoys playing videogames" and was openly saying how lonely he was, how he needed kindness from his fans, how he hasn't had a real friend in years etc. I can believe that in that desperation he decided to hire someone to pretend to be his GF and it might have triggered the memory of a fan that was an escort.

What I think would be really interesting to know but probably falls under NDA stuff is when he first started booking her. He was claiming six months, but that timeline doesn't quite line up with other things that he's said/it's weird he'd start bragging about her now and not then. Granted, it's pretty small fry in light of all the other claims currently against him, but it would confirm another layer of sadness in his already pathetic situation.

 

[Lurkette]

I'm not so sure what a lawyer would have to say.
From what we know the NDA is invalidated if he fails to make payment, so at that point, the other party can do whatever they want.

If I heard a lawyer was involved, then I'd assume the NDA to be real.

If he were genuinely being blackmailed (which would assume that never hired this lady in the first place; what has transpired here doesn't fall under the definition of blackmail imho), then he should probably call da cops. If it was like that, then he has nothing to lose by calling the cops.

If I heard da cops were involved, then I'd assume this was a very in depth attempt at blackmail.


If I heard the other party do a very strange, short prestream, not snort for a period of time, then launch into a 15 minute rant about the situation (despite saying he wouldn't)... in that case its very difficult to know what to assume.

Blackmail would imply that the Mysterywoman account gets something out of all of this financially or somehow. Destroying Phil's reputation would imply that there's no direct benefit.

There's lots of things a lawyer would have to say, the first would be regarding the authenticity and validity of the NDA. Escorts aren't known for carrying around legally binding documents (especially ones that are valid in countries they don't live in) and they definitely are known for hoping that clients are too scared to seek legal counsel for fear of embarrassment.

Spoiler

hi my names lurkette and i'm speaking from classroom experience only so don't sue me if you hire a prostitute to scam only for her to jump continents to rape you on several levels, i did this mainly for my own entertainment because i only vaguely remembered going over sexual contracts

alright class, let's take out our Handy Dandy Contracts Textbook (Contract Laws for Paralegals by Cheeseman, Reed and Schlagater if you'd like to follow along) and see what it says about sexual contracts

CONTRACTS CONTRARY TO PUBLIC POLICY
Certain contracts are illegal because they are contrary to public policy. Such contracts are void. Although public policy eludes a precise definition, the courts have held contracts to be contrary to public policy if they have a negative impact on society or interfere with the public's safety and welfare.
Immoral contracts- that is, contracts whose objective is the commission of an act considered immoral by society- may be found to be against public policy.

Example: A contract based on sexual favors has been held to be an immoral contract and void as against public policy. Judges are not free to define morality based on their individual views. Instead, they must look to the practices and beliefs of society when defining immoral conduct.

so her contract is probably null and void, at least if it centers around sexual favors. at least in the us. i have no idea how shit would work in other countries, especially weird fetishistic european ones, but i imagine if it did go to court the us would be considered the correct court system to use since...y'know...they fucked in renton. even though it's probably totally not going to court.

i don't know what's in that contract, obviously, so i'm guessing she was either a) smart enough to contract for something more enforceable, like maid services or b) is relying entirely on the fact he's a giant pussy and admitting his so called girlfriend is an escort he hired would shatter him.

also the fact he paid her to peg him and she has video proof of that.

that is, if this is all true...which i totally think so, if only because it's fucking hilarious.

I believe this was addressed earlier. Kim was a fan of DSP from several years ago as shown by tweets. Her twitter is pretty clear about what she does for a living, so after Leanna, Phil ended up approaching her. I believe the tweets were positive in nature, so he felt safe about it. Especially with there being a NDA involved. I admit, it is a little weird that he'd remember her after all that time since I believe the DSP tweets were from some time ago, but eh, it certainly isn't impossible. Phil was definitely going through a pretty lonely period where he was dropping his facade of "I'm just a happy positive dude who totally enjoys playing videogames" and was openly saying how lonely he was, how he needed kindness from his fans, how he hasn't had a real friend in years etc. I can believe that in that desperation he decided to hire someone to pretend to be his GF and it might have triggered the memory of a fan that was an escort.

What I think would be really interesting to know but probably falls under NDA stuff is when he first started booking her. He was claiming six months, but that timeline doesn't quite line up with other things that he's said/it's weird he'd start bragging about her now and not then. Granted, it's pretty small fry in light of all the other claims currently against him, but it would confirm another layer of sadness in his already pathetic situation.

my personal theory is that he was booking her because leanna wouldn't touch him anymore, and finally left when she found out, but i admit that's farfetched

 

[neger psykolog]

Spoiler

hi my names lurkette and i'm speaking from classroom experience only so don't sue me if you hire a prostitute to scam only for her to jump continents to rape you on several levels, i did this mainly for my own entertainment because i only vaguely remembered going over sexual contracts

alright class, let's take out our Handy Dandy Contracts Textbook (Contract Laws for Paralegals by Cheeseman, Reed and Schlagater if you'd like to follow along) and see what it says about sexual contracts



so her contract is probably null and void, at least if it centers around sexual favors. at least in the us. i have no idea how shit would work in other countries, especially weird fetishistic european ones, but i imagine if it did go to court the us would be considered the correct court system to use since...y'know...they fucked in renton. even though it's probably totally not going to court.

i don't know what's in that contract, obviously, so i'm guessing she was either a) smart enough to contract for something more enforceable, like maid services or b) is relying entirely on the fact he's a giant pussy and admitting his so called girlfriend is an escort he hired would shatter him.

also the fact he paid her to peg him and she has video proof of that.

that is, if this is all true...which i totally think so, if only because it's fucking hilarious.


my personal theory is that he was booking her because leanna wouldn't touch him anymore, and finally left when she found out, but i admit that's farfetched

This was addressed earlier, but worthy of discussion still.

Basically the contract (if it exists) doesn't mention anything relating to sex and more about the services of a companion.

The NDA element is in place provided all payments are made and whatever else the escort has put in there. This protects the client provided they pay on time. Should the client not pay, then the escort basically has a fancy piece of paper which means they can royally fuck over the client however they want to.

You can see from all of this discussion that has taken place that this person (the alleged escort) knows fairly well what they're talking about. That really only allows this imho to be the case of 3 things:

• blackmail attempt (i.e. go to the fucking police)
• reputation harm (more difficult scenario)
• actually hired an escort (most simple explanation)

 

[Lurkette]

This was addressed earlier, but worthy of discussion still.

Basically the contract (if it exists) doesn't mention anything relating to sex and more about the services of a companion.

The NDA element is in place provided all payments are made and whatever else the escort has put in there. This protects the client provided they pay on time. Should the client not pay, then the escort basically has a fancy piece of paper which means they can royally fuck over the client however they want to.

ahhh, sorry for repeating then, it's hard to keep up with DSP discussion sometimes.

in that case, i hope he doesn't pay because i'm a nosy fuck and this might be the one thing that finally cracks through his thick skull as being his fault. then again i was certain being dropped from machinima would be that one thing so he'll probably deny any impact on his own life even as he goes down in flames and refuses to do anything significant to put the fire out.

 

[neger psykolog]

ahhh, sorry for repeating then, it's hard to keep up with DSP discussion sometimes.

in that case, i hope he doesn't pay because i'm a nosy fuck and this might be the one thing that finally cracks through his thick skull as being his fault. then again i was certain being dropped from machinima would be that one thing so he'll probably deny any impact on his own life even as he goes down in flames and refuses to do anything significant to put the fire out.

Agreed. I mean that's where the quality of this lies. Consistency.

If there was some wild story in the beginning and then things changed dramatically throughout, then I'd be way, way more suspicious.

But as it stands, this has been a consistent story, with consistent facts and consistent demands. This has always been about the alleged failure by someone to pay money owed for services allegedly provided and it has remained consistent in that.

My doubt lies in Phil being stupid enough that if this is all true to not pay her the full amount sooner rather than later. Assuming there is an accelerated payment schedule, I fully expect Mysterywoman to completely disappear or begin making even more outlandish claims or for her Twitter account to possibly disappear/change in some manner. Failing that, an accusation of their account being hacked in the interim period (when this saga started) would probably provide a nice creative, hard to prove alibi that all of this was just a cunning ruse by someone.

That's exactly why I'm not on the fence about most of this story, I'm just on the fence about matters specifically relating to the bedroom.

EDIT:
Also to add to this point if you're someone providing services which aren't set in stone from a legal perspective then you would probably weigh the options based upon the type of clientele you have. You can most likely assume that 99% of these contracts get signed and "nothing happens"--companionship services are provided, escort is paid. The precise reason the contract exists is probably not aimed at making lawyers and judges happy but rather providing recourse for the escort and to prove that "things happened" beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise if they take the public shaming route they may be liable for charges of slander.

 

[Lurkette]

Agreed. I mean that's where the quality of this lies. Consistency.

If there was some wild story in the beginning and then things changed dramatically throughout, then I'd be way, way more suspicious.

But as it stands, this has been a consistent story, with consistent facts and consistent demands. This has always been about the alleged failure by someone to pay money owed for services allegedly provided and it has remained consistent in that.

yeah, any coincidences or minor inconsistencies are far outweighed by how...well, like you said, consistent and reasonably believable the entire story is, no matter what phil says. project 7 (both the original and reboot), his montage series, KO Gaming, that greenscreen, fuck most of his patreon goals have been either un/officially cancelled or short changed in some way (his redemption run having so much chat "interaction" or "i never said 7 hours" for one-shot streams), so i totally believe him skimping out on what's essentially another business transaction, ESPECIALLY considering how he treated leanna whenever she was on cam. i've wondered it before now, but honestly, is phil aware of his patterns or just in deep, deep denial? even if he doesn't care about other people, you'd think he'd eventually stop and see how at least some of what he's doing is hurting himself, especially when it hurts him in the short term (like allowing a mario game to be voted on when he doesn't want to play it, or...this entire situation.)

 

[MysteryWoman]

Just to Clarify what a Companinship NDA Contract means in the case of an Escort and client, every Escort with a brain makes use of such a contract / agreement why because it protects both the escort as the client. For the simple reason that both client and escort will not discuss publicly what exactly happened during the time with client and escort and to protect both client and escort for not publicly give out personal information such as real full name, birthdates, phone numbers, address, emails, txt messages, etc. I can go on and on about everything that an NDA Protects. Now lets say an escort notmusing such an agreement would be a very unwise decision for both client and escort because yeah what if the client that after the visit decides to release that info or what if the escort decide to release that info it also protects client against any sort of blackmail in the future. Specially with Higher Class Escorts under which i fall under who also get booked by celebrities, politicians, people that are well know to the public. You really think those people would book a date with an escort and not want some little bit of contract protecting their deed and identity. So to sum it up the NDA Companionship Contract / Agreement is for both the protection of Escort / Companion and Client. Another difference between a regular cheap Escort and A Higher class escort is not just the Prices, and as i mentioned a guaranteed privacy NDA, if as a High Class Escort would not offer a guaranteed privacy then I would be out of a job to begin with. Besides i need that contract as much as the clients need it. Lots of girls like me also have a family such as boyfriend, husband some even kids. Offcourse you will make sure you got some kind of protection so your private life stays as safe as possible. Now Hookers and Cheat Craigs List Escort is a different story they simply dont care about such things so if clients come to me for a booking but complain about prices i say go look for a cheap hooker or escort but dont complain if they grab you by the balls and such you dry for every penny you got because you got no guarantee that your info remains private.

Just so you all know how important this contract / agreement is for us as Escorts and for the Clients that book us.

Have a great Sunday all, reminder i wont really be around the coming week because i will be out partying and having fun with friends at a dutch yearly event called Serious Request where we go every year.

If i dont speak to you all before then i wish you all a very merry christmas with your family or friends or with whoever you spend it with if you spend it alone try to have fun.

Kisses and Love XoXo

 

[HG 400]

so her contract is probably null and void, at least if it centers around sexual favors.

Escorts don't sell sex. You hire escorts to keep you company in a totally non-sexual and platonic way, and then they always seem to have a habit of just coincidentally happening to be so attracted to you that they voluntarily and without payment choose to fuck your brains out in all the ways you mentioned you liked having your brains fucked out prior to contracting their services.

 

[Van Darkholme]

Helpful old KGhaleon actually linked the post in another later post on the forums, so here it is. It's a 'Phillipine' nightclub but clearly still in Japan, since it was in Yokohama. Quick summary, he gave them $100 worth of yen when he feels he spent a lot less than that, and is shocked to find out they only come back with $5 of yen.View attachment 336680

One of the first lessons when it comes to the more shady areas of japanese cities: never get reeled into any clubs, especially as a dumb foreigner, they will fuck you over. I'm surprised they didn't spike his drink and stole his credit card too.

Then again, this comes from a ponyfucking pigpay, so what did we expect?

 

[neger psykolog]

Escorts don't sell sex. You hire escorts to keep you company in a totally non-sexual and platonic way, and then they always seem to have a habit of just coincidentally happening to be so attracted to you that they voluntarily and without payment choose to fuck your brains out in all the ways you mentioned you liked having your brains fucked out prior to contracting their services.

Yes, I'll also add this from a previous post because its pertinent:
Also to add to this point if you're someone providing services which aren't set in stone from a legal perspective then you would probably weigh the options based upon the type of clientele you have. You can most likely assume that 99% of these contracts get signed and "nothing happens"--companionship services are provided, escort is paid. The precise reason the contract exists is probably not aimed at making lawyers and judges happy but rather providing recourse for the escort and to prove that "things happened" beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise if they take the public shaming route they may be liable for charges of slander.

This is why lawyers and such are expensive, because if it works well "nothing happens". You sign the contract/piece of paper, and nothing happens 99% of the time.

We're still technically in the "nothing happens" phase. As stated repeatedly since the beginning the "nothing happens" phase ends when payment is either made or when payment isn't made. If payment isn't made that's when the firework display happens.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

This was addressed earlier, but worthy of discussion still.

Basically the contract (if it exists) doesn't mention anything relating to sex and more about the services of a companion.

View attachment 336727

The NDA element is in place provided all payments are made and whatever else the escort has put in there. This protects the client provided they pay on time. Should the client not pay, then the escort basically has a fancy piece of paper which means they can royally fuck over the client however they want to.

You can see from all of this discussion that has taken place that this person (the alleged escort) knows fairly well what they're talking about. That really only allows this imho to be the case of 3 things:

• blackmail attempt (i.e. go to the fucking police)
• reputation harm (more difficult scenario)
• actually hired an escort (most simple explanation)

Calling yourself an "escort" isn't a magical pass to break the law. I have to coach women in this shit all the time. If the powers-that-be look at your text messages, e-mail correspondence, prices for "companionship" and the terminology you use and conclude that you were probably engaging in prostitution, you're going to get charged for it (Even if you aren't engaging in it.) Prosecutors are not sitting around looking at footage of women entering men's houses, leaving an hour later, while having earlier negotiated a fee of $500 for something called "greek" and saying "Dang!! We woulda had 'em if only they hadn't said she was "escorting him"!!!!"

Just because you talk around the issue in a contract doesn't mean what you're doing is legal anymore than referring to yourself as a "receiver of goods" will allow you to get away with theft.

My guess is that the NDA protects no one from anything and is a scare tactic. It was probably downloaded from the same site that people use to get the pointless cease and desists that they send to Null.

If Phil was actually presented with a contract, it's almost certainly a variation on an old femdom scam of getting men to sign "consensual blackmail contracts" meant to coerce men into paying "release fees."