Disaster NaNoWriMo faces backlash over AI stance emphasizing “classist and ableist issues” - NaNoWriMo refuses to condemn AI as accessibility tool, faces criticism from writers. (Including Chuck Wendig)


Benj Edwards - 9/4/2024

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Over the weekend, the nonprofit National Novel Writing Month organization (NaNoWriMo) published an FAQ outlining its position on AI, calling categorical rejection of AI writing technology "classist" and "ableist." The statement caused a backlash online, prompted four members of the organization's board to step down, and prompted a sponsor to withdraw its support.

"We believe that to categorically condemn AI would be to ignore classist and ableist issues surrounding the use of the technology," wrote NaNoWriMo, "and that questions around the use of AI tie to questions around privilege."

NaNoWriMo, known for its annual challenge where participants write a 50,000-word manuscript in November, argued in its post that condemning AI would ignore issues of class and ability, suggesting the technology could benefit those who might otherwise need to hire human writing assistants or have differing cognitive abilities.

Writers react​

After word of the FAQ spread, many writers on social media platforms voiced their opposition to NaNoWriMo's position. Generative AI models are commonly trained on vast amounts of existing text, including copyrighted works, without attribution or compensation to the original authors. Critics say this raises major ethical questions about using such tools in creative writing competitions and challenges.

"Generative AI empowers not the artist, not the writer, but the tech industry. It steals content to remake content, graverobbing existing material to staple together its Frankensteinian idea of art and story," wrote Chuck Wendig, the author of Star Wars: Aftermath, in a post about NaNoWriMo on his personal blog.

Daniel José Older, a lead story architect for Star Wars: The High Republic and one of the board members who resigned, wrote on X, "Hello @NaNoWriMo, this is me DJO officially stepping down from your Writers Board and urging every writer I know to do the same. Never use my name in your promo again in fact never say my name at all and never email me again. Thanks!"

In particular, NaNoWriMo's use of words like "classist" and "ableist" to defend the potential use of generative AI particularly touched a nerve with opponents of generative AI, some of whom say they are disabled themselves.

"A huge middle finger to @NaNoWriMo for this laughable bullshit. Signed, a poor, disabled and chronically ill writer and artist. Miss me by a wide margin with that ableist and privileged bullshit," wrote one X user. "Other people’s work is NOT accessibility."

This isn't the first time the organization has dealt with controversy. Last year, NaNoWriMo announced that it would accept AI-assisted submissions but noted that using AI for an entire novel "would defeat the purpose of the challenge." Many critics also point out that a NaNoWriMo moderator faced accusations related to child grooming in 2023, which lessened their trust in the organization.

NaNoWriMo doubles down​

In response to the backlash, NaNoWriMo updated its FAQ post to address concerns about AI's impact on the writing industry and to mention "bad actors in the AI space who are doing harm to writers and who are acting unethically."

We want to make clear that, though we find the categorical condemnation for AI to be problematic for the reasons stated below, we are troubled by situational abuse of AI, and that certain situational abuses clearly conflict with our values. We also want to make clear that AI is a large umbrella technology and that the size and complexity of that category (which includes both non-generative and generative AI, among other uses) contributes to our belief that it is simply too big to categorically endorse or not endorse.

Over the past few years, we've received emails from disabled people who frequently use generative AI tools, and we have interviewed a disabled artist, Claire Silver, who uses image synthesis prominently in her work. Some writers with disabilities use tools like ChatGPT to assist them with composition when they have cognitive issues and need assistance expressing themselves.

In June, on Reddit, one user wrote, "As someone with a disability that makes manually typing/writing and wording posts challenging, ChatGPT has been invaluable. It assists me in articulating my thoughts clearly and efficiently, allowing me to participate more actively in various online communities."

A person with Chiari malformation wrote on Reddit in November 2023 that they use ChatGPT to help them develop software using their voice. "These tools have fundamentally empowered me. The course of my life, my options, opportunities—they’re all better because of this tool," they wrote.

To opponents of generative AI, the potential benefits that might come to disabled persons do not outweigh what they see as mass plagiarism from tech companies. Also, some artists do not want the time and effort they put into cultivating artistic skills to be devalued for anyone's benefit.

"All these bullshit appeals from people appropriating social justice language saying, 'but AI lets me make art when I'm not privileged enough to have the time to develop those skills' highlights something that needs to be said: you are not entitled to being talented," posted a writer named Carlos Alonzo Morales on Sunday.

Despite the strong takes, NaNoWriMo has so far stuck to its position of accepting generative AI as a set of potential writing tools in a way that is consistent with its "overall position on nondiscrimination with respect to approaches to creativity, writer's resources, and personal choice."

"We absolutely do not condemn AI," NaNoWriMo wrote in the FAQ post, "and we recognize and respect writers who believe that AI tools are right for them. We recognize that some members of our community stand staunchly against AI for themselves, and that's perfectly fine. As individuals, we have the freedom to make our own decisions."
 
I like AI because it's another tool to let people get the idea that lives in their head out of there, so they and their friends can see it. That it lets almost anyone do that is a good thing in my opinion. It shouldn't be allowed for a writing competition or whatever because you're not the one actually writing it. For private consumption, for sharing with friends, as a very rough draft that gets a lot of actual work, it's fine. Anything else, no. I don't understand why this is a difficult concept for people, but then again I'm not a mouthbreathing retard.
 
there's a lot of things like this, where there's some organisation that owns the name and 100% of the time, whatever challenge or event is being discussed can thrive just fine without them.

The question here shouldn't be 'should the super-official nanowrimo company support AI or not', it's 'why the fuck does that need a company in the first place'?
 
Does anyone actually care about NaNoWriMo anymore?
Didn’t it descend into a dystopian hell hole of terrible YA and fanfic written by chronically online identity obsessed retards years ago?
There was an issue with a volunteer moderator or moderators who was/were a groomer(s). It appears them trying to cover the whole thing up caused far more issues than the actual tawdry business, in that it was all virtual and nobody ever met in reality. I don't think they've admitted anything publicly to this day, though they "fired" a bunch of volunteers. There's claims of in person events that had assaults, but I find this hard to believe given those leveling the accusations.

On their 2022 tax return they attracted almost $900,000 in donations and grants, down 25% from 2021.
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Will be interesting to see what we see when 2023 is filed. (A calendar year charity on extension has until 11/15 to file their 990. Probably won't be publicly available until mid-December at the earliest, sadly. ) The grooming stuff came toward the end of 2023, so I'm not quite sure what the 2022 decline was.
 
If someone has such "differing cognitive abilities" to the point of needing writing assistants, maybe they shouldn't enter a novel writing competition? Because that might suggest, I don't know, that they're not good at novel writing and should try and find something they can do?
As far as I know it's not even a competition. It's just (or at least was) a circle jerk event to give each ass pats on twitter for writing to the goal amount.

But as usual internet people have to over complicate the shit out of it with a desire for bureaucratizing everything.
 
If someone has such "differing cognitive abilities" to the point of needing writing assistants, maybe they shouldn't enter a novel writing competition? Because that might suggest, I don't know, that they're not good at novel writing and should try and find something they can do?
Modern Leftism isn't incompetent by coincidence. The ideology promises power to the most underperforming elements of society, relying on their resentment of normal people to help burn everything down. "Spiteful Mutants", "BioLeninism", "Coalition of the Fringes"...the more degenerate and incapable, the more loyal to the Regime.

That's why you see delusional crossdressers as health admirals, the least productive Third-World populations dumped into high-trust societies (Somalis in Minnesota/Maine etc), and literal retards as celebrated politicians. Of course no one is more deserving to be a writer than someone who can't write.
 
If someone has such "differing cognitive abilities" to the point of needing writing assistants, maybe they shouldn't enter a novel writing competition? Because that might suggest, I don't know, that they're not good at novel writing and should try and find something they can do?
How can we get a script for Simple Jack if we don't let a retard tell an AI to create a story that appeals to him?
 
On one hand, lol Star Wars. Eat a bag of dicks herkily jerkily you bottom-feeding pieces of shit.

On the other, who determines who gets to use AI? Do you need to fill out a form declaring yourself a retard? Or can anyone use it regardless of ability or skill? What's the point of a competition if it's not even you who's competing? This statement here



is so condescending it's embarrassing. Not even because it's "other people's work;" it's the assumption that people who don't fall under the "privileged" umbrella need constant hand-holding. Even then, AI (in general) doesn't discriminate by author and scrapes everything. Even heckin' disablerinos take issue with AI "stealing" their work.

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I'm glad that there are disabled artists speaking up about this. AI is based on the work of others. The AI doesn't magically pull words and pictures out of the sky. AI for fun is fine. But if you are submitting actual works as your own you shouldn't be using AI.

NaNoWriMo claiming an anti-AI stance is offensive to disabled and poor people is insulting.
 
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Obligatory "writers are faggots" aside, AI should be disallowed until there are free blank-slate models you can train with your own work - published, unfinished, fanfiction or what have you, just so that those first drafts are pushed out faster. (even though most published books now are at the first-to-second draft.)

So far, AI is only useful as a spell/grammar/syntax checker. Otherwise it scrubs all personal style from your work, bloats it the fuck up with cliches and has pacing issues up the arse.
 
To be fair, calling NaNoWriMo a "competition" is a gross overstatement. People are only competing with themselves to accomplish something in a set period of time. It started as just a goal and challenge with community support.

If someone wants to use AI, they're not doing the challenge any more than someone typing "a a a" for fifty thousand words is doing the challenge.

The bigger issue, from what I've heard, is that the real reason for the AI support is that they're taking on an AI sponsor. Since they way word count is verified requires uploading one's written work to the site, I would think people would be more worried about their writing being scraped by a partnered AI group. Even if their writing is shit, it's understandable to not want it being fed into an AI.
 
writers are the worst of all the "arteest" elite. i'm very disappointed that LLMs, in my experience, have been having a tougher time replacing creative writers than SD has with visual artists

these are merely constraints forced by the large amounts of VRAM required for LLMs. a constraint that will be solved

soon...
 
The fact that Chuck Wendig still has an audience is incredible considering that he basically helped kill the Internet Archive AND uses terms such as "herkily-jerkily" in his writing. It really is a clown world.
 
If someone has such "differing cognitive abilities" to the point of needing writing assistants, maybe they shouldn't enter a novel writing competition? Because that might suggest, I don't know, that they're not good at novel writing and should try and find something they can do?
As someone who has actually won NaNoWriMo it's not that hard. You just have to type out 50000 words in a month. You don't even have to prove that you wrote them in that month. Frankly I'd say a lot of people fake it. You copy paste your manuscript into a text box on their website and you get some cute graphics to put on social media so you can brag and also some coupons for writing software. It's not like you are winning thousands of dollars or something.
 
As someone who has actually won NaNoWriMo it's not that hard. You just have to type out 50000 words in a month. You don't even have to prove that you wrote them in that month. Frankly I'd say a lot of people fake it. You copy paste your manuscript into a text box on their website and you get some cute graphics to put on social media so you can brag and also some coupons for writing software. It's not like you are winning thousands of dollars or something.
Beat me to it. I've participated in NaNoWriMo several times and almost "won" it each time. If you like to write, the average words written a day is almost 1700... that's not hard to do if you're trying to reach 50,000 words. The real "goal" is to make a completed story in 50,000 words, beginning, middle, end (something i always dropped the ball on), and, you know, a cohesive narrative. But there's no one checking that. No one is reading over the story. The only thing they have for verification is a word scrambler and word counter (which is inaccurate as shit) to see if you hit the 50k. The whole reason the thing exists is to help train some level of discipline and dedication to sitting down and banging away at a keyboard working on story whether you're tired or uninspired, or busy. Ya know, being responsible about something? But now all of this makes it feel icky.

I was unaware of the diaper-groomer shit, plus I never used their forums because I was busy fucking typing, but that tied with this. No thank you, I'm good on NaNoWriMo now :/

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