Science NASA propose giant magnet shield for Mars - Claim Mars can gain half the air pressure of Earth in years.

https://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-wants-to-launch-a-giant-magnetic-shield-to-make-mars-habitable

So crazy, it just might work.

PETER DOCKRILL
6 MAR 2017

NASA scientists have proposed a bold plan that could give Mars its atmosphere back and make the Red Planet habitable for future generations of human colonists.

By launching a giant magnetic shield into space to protect Mars from solar winds, the space agency says we could restore the Red Planet's atmosphere, and terraform the Martian environment so that liquid water flows on the surface once again.

Mars may seem like a cold, arid wasteland these days, but the Red Planet is thought to have once had a thick atmosphere that could have maintained deep oceans filled with liquid water, and a warmer, potentially habitable climate.

Scientists think Mars lost all of this when its protective magnetic field collapsed billions of years ago, and solar wind – high-energy particles projected from the Sun – has been stripping the Red Planet's atmosphere away ever since.

Now, new simulations by NASA suggest there could be a way to naturally give Mars its thick atmosphere back – and it doesn't require nuking the Red Planet into submission, as Elon Musk once proposed.

Instead, the space agency thinks a powerful-enough magnetic shield launched into space could serve as a replacement for Mars's own lost magnetosphere, giving the planet a chance to naturally restore its own atmosphere.

In new findings presented at the Planetary Science Vision 2050 Workshop last week, NASA's Planetary Science Division director, Jim Green, said launching an "artificial magnetosphere" into space between Mars and the Sun could hypothetically shield the Red Planet in the extended magnetotail that trails behind the protective field.


"This situation then eliminates many of the solar wind erosion processes that occur with the planet's ionosphere and upper atmosphere allowing the Martian atmosphere to grow in pressure and temperature over time," the researchers explain in an accompanying paper.

While the team acknowledges that the concept might sound "fanciful", they point to existing miniature magnetosphere research being conducted to protect astronauts and spacecraft from cosmic radiation, and think that the same technology on a larger scale could be used to shield Mars.

"It may be feasible that we can get up to these higher field strengths that are necessary to provide that shielding," Green said in his presentation.

"We need to be able then to also modify that direction of the magnetic field so that it always pushes the solar wind away."

In the team's simulations, if the solar wind were counteracted by the magnetic shield, Mars's atmospheric losses would stop, and the atmosphere would regain as much as half the atmospheric pressure of Earth in a matter of years.

As the atmosphere becomes thicker, the team estimates Mars's climate would become around 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer, which would be enough to melt carbon dioxide ice over the Red Planet's northern polar cap.

If this happened, the carbon in the atmosphere would help to trap heat like it does on Earth, triggering a greenhouse effect that could melt Mars's water ice, giving the Red Planet back its liquid water in the form of flowing rivers and oceans.

If all of this were to occur as the team anticipates – and admittedly, that's a pretty fantastical if – it's possible that, within the space of a couple of generations, Mars could regain some of its lost Earth-like habitability.

"This is not terraforming as you may think of it where we actually artificially change the climate, but we let nature do it, and we do that based on the physics we know today," Green said.

The team acknowledges that the plan is largely hypothetical at this point, but it's a pretty amazing vision for what might be possible in the years ahead. The researchers intend to keep studying the possibilities to get a more accurate estimate of how long the climate-altering effects would take.

If the concept does prove workable, there's no telling just how much it would alter the prospects of colonising Mars in the future.

"Much like Earth, an enhanced atmosphere would: allow larger landed mass of equipment to the surface, shield against most cosmic and solar particle radiation, extend the ability for oxygen extraction, and provide 'open air' green-houses to exist for plant production, just to name a few," the researchers explain.

"If this can be achieved in a lifetime, the colonisation of Mars would not be far away."

The findings were presented at the Planetary Science Vision 2050 Workshop.
 
Why does Mars get all the love, why not Venus. It's closer, has a more protective atmosphere, was the destination of 'The Final Countdown' by Europe. The girl don't get no respect

Venus is an interesting case. It has no intrinsic (i.e. originating from the planet itself, rather than from the ions in the atmosphere) magnetic field of its own, subjected to stronger solar wind than either Earth or Mars, yet it manage to clothe itself with a massive atmosphere. That's why I think the Mars project is very :optimistic:
 
As crazy as this sounds, it's kind of nice to know there is actually a scientifically feasable (albeit hard) way to terraform Mars.

Maybe they should just go "The Core" on the planet's ass and nuke that damn martian core back into shape.
Why does Mars get all the love, why not Venus. It's closer, has a more protective atmosphere, was the destination of 'The Final Countdown' by Europe. The girl don't get no respect
Something something patriarchy.

Joking aside, we should send someone to Venus sooner or later.
Venus' atmosphere is ridiculously corrosive and hot, to a point where it destroys landers within hours (if not minutes), but the ironic thing is, at an altitude of roughly 55km, you're not only save from the dangerous parts of the atmosphere, you're actually drifting in a layer of CO² (breathable air would act as a buoyant there) at roughly the same air pressure you'd get on 5km height on Earth and the atmosphere has a temperature of 27°C.
Edit: Also, gravity is like .9G, too.

You could build a huge inflatable habitat that only needs a bit of energy to turn CO² into breathable air that would float around while the weather outside is like a nice summer day.

That's so fucking awesome, we need to take advantage of it!

There's a fuckload of 'what ifs' about this, though. Mars isn't Earth. Even if they manage to get some sort of atmosphere back and get water flowing again on Mars, there's no telling how the planet would react to that. There could be bacteria and other things harmful to human life that we have no idea about there, and no idea of how to deal with.
Since these bacteria didn't evolve with lifeforms from Earth around, they might as well be unable to affect earth life.
But, then again, NASA is taking a lot of precautions to not contaminate anything on Mars with earth-bacteria since you just never know... Would be a shame if there was some kind of primitve liveform and it ends up being genocided by the flu.
Better safe than sorry.
 
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Since these bacteria didn't evolve with lifeforms from Earth around, they might as well be unable to affect earth life.
But, then again, NASA is taking a lot of precautions to not contaminate anything on Mars with earth-bacteria since you just never know... Would be a shame if there was some kind of primitve liveform and it ends up being genocided by the flu.
Better safe than sorry.
I'd be willing to bet there is bacteria on Mars. Multicellular life is complex as hell but I bet bacteria is a lot more common throughout the universe. Given that we can't even dig deep enough into the earth's crust to find rock that isn't filled with lithophiles, bacteria seems like something nearly impossible to stamp out completely once it evolves on a planet.
 
This is crazy as hell... and I still think we're in best timeline to see something like this even be suggested. I say we do it; having another planet to inhabit would be nice. However, being real, Earth still has a lot of shit to work out and really get together for this to truly be a success, what with all the war, predjudice, poverty, hunger, and political BS we need to overcome...

Either way, if it's possible, DON'T FUCKING SIT ON IT. Mars colonization sounds like a future reality worth striving for, and I treat THAT as FACT, to be quite fucking honest.
 
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There's a fuckload of 'what ifs' about this, though. Mars isn't Earth. Even if they manage to get some sort of atmosphere back and get water flowing again on Mars, there's no telling how the planet would react to that. There could be bacteria and other things harmful to human life that we have no idea about there, and no idea of how to deal with. We still don't fully understand how our own atmosphere and weather systems affect the earth, so predicting it, never mind working with it on another planet will be very, very difficult.

It's an amazing idea, though. I'd love to see it happen. Cue sci-fi stuff about Martian people rebelling against earth and claiming independence etc.

Imagine waking up some long dormant bacteria that wipes out the colonists. Sounds like a sci fi novel. But it could happen. Plus if the magnetic shield fails the atmosphere will begin dissipating again.

Mars has some seriously bad dust storms. Imagine living with that going on around you. You take care of the atmosphere but you still can't go outside because you'll be torn apart by high speed dirt.
 
Imagine waking up some long dormant bacteria that wipes out the colonists. Sounds like a sci fi novel. But it could happen. Plus if the magnetic shield fails the atmosphere will begin dissipating again.

Mars has some seriously bad dust storms. Imagine living with that going on around you. You take care of the atmosphere but you still can't go outside because you'll be torn apart by high speed dirt.
These dust devils aren't particularly strong, after all, the martian atmosphere is just 0.6% of ours, so there's barely any punch to them. The biggest "threat" they pose to any kind of equippement is covering solar panels or sensors with dust.
Would be enough to create electricity by wind power (if only barely).
 
We should put all efforts into developing cybernetics so that we do not need to transform Mars but can inhabit it as it is!

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I'd be willing to bet there is bacteria on Mars. Multicellular life is complex as hell but I bet bacteria is a lot more common throughout the universe. Given that we can't even dig deep enough into the earth's crust to find rock that isn't filled with lithophiles, bacteria seems like something nearly impossible to stamp out completely once it evolves on a planet.

I bet there are tardigrades there from some time the Earth got whacked with an asteroid and the bits flew off into space.
 
Aside form the feasibility/costs of doing this, i think the main hurdle would be a vast portion of the scientific community who would feel the benefits of terraforming mars wouldn't outweigh the costs of damaging the environment and reducing what we could learn about its history.
 
By launching a giant magnetic shield into space to protect Mars from solar winds, the space agency says we could restore the Red Planet's atmosphere, and terraform the Martian environment so that liquid water flows on the surface once again.

There's your problem. You aren't going to launch something that big from Earth, you're going to build it in space once you have the infrastructure to build it.

The surface of Venus is best described as literally hell; the atmospheric pressure is equivalent to being on the ocean floor, it rains sulfuric acid, and the surface is hot enough to have rivers of molten lead. Even if you could find a way to remove the excess carbon from the atmosphere and get the temperature to a more reasonable level, there are many more problems you have to deal with. For one, there is likely very little or no water on Venus and no available hydrogen to produce water. Your next issue is that Venus has an extremely fucked up axis and rotation from something large (possibly its moon) impacting the planet billions of years ago. The planet doesn't have seasons and it rotates so slowly that night lasts two months.

Mars, by comparison, already has most of the components needed to be habitable easily (relatively) available and has a day only slightly shorter than earth's. As insane as it sounds, if you're trying to make a planet inhabitable by humans in the next hundred years, building an artificial magnetic field for Mars is far more practical than trying to make Venus tolerable.

That's not true. It's actually not that hard to terraform Venus, and since it's closer to Earth than Mars, has near-Earth gravity instead of Mars' potentially dangerous low gravity, and gets way more sunlight, it's a much better goal. And you can do it in 250 years, according to this paper.

All you need to terraform Venus is an orbital ring, a thin mirror (or billions of them) about the size of Venus, and some pipes for heat removal (linked to the orbital ring), which dismantling a good-sized asteroid will easily give you the material for. The mirror shades Venus from the sun and before long the atmosphere rains down onto the surface and will eventually freeze into dry ice which can then cover up. Then you can bury the damn thing or you can export it (probably both) into space using your orbital ring. You can then crash some comets or an icy outer solar system moon into Venus to add the necessary water, or harvest the required hydrogen and oxygen from Jupiter. This would make a normal ocean covering the CO2 sea. Here you can alter Venus's rotation by timing the impacts of the moon (you'll break the moon into several pieces first using gravity) or the containers. If it still isn't enough, then you just use the mirrors as a fake sun to reflect and shade parts of the planet when you need to, making a 24 hour day.
 
All you need to terraform Venus is an orbital ring
[a mirror] about the size of Venus
pipes for heat removal (linked to the orbital ring)
or an icy outer solar system moon
Here you can alter Venus's rotation by timing the impacts of the moon
Every single one of these points is harder to do than to build a magic space magnet shield for Mars.

But the paper is still very interesting.
 
I'm so glad that the scientific community is starting to take space colonization more seriously. We need to do everything we possibly can to protect and preserve Earth, but we should also start establishing extraterrestrial colonies when we have the technology to do so.
 
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