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Denny Hamlin took to the stand for Day 2 of the Michael Jordan vs. NASCAR trial, among others:
Hamlin first relayed how, in 2023, he had expressed concerns about the negotiations for the 2025 charter agreement — the franchise-like system for guaranteeing revenues to teams that is at the heart of the dispute — to then-NASCAR president Steve Phelps, who advised Hamlin to speak with NASCAR chairman and CEO Jim France.

Hamlin said he spotted France eating alone at lunch during the NASCAR Awards week in Nashville, so Hamlin joined France — and came away “very, very discouraged” by their conversation.

“He told me directly the problem in NASCAR is teams spend too much money,” Hamlin recounted, adding France said teams should only be spending $10 million per season to run their cars rather than the current $20 million average.

Hamlin responded by saying it was not realistic to cut his costs in half.

“We’ve cut this grass so short, we’re down to the dirt,” Hamlin said of cost-cutting by the teams.

Hamlin said he told France he was “not trying to be a statistic” and add to the many owners who have gone out of business, and Hamlin asked France how he could recoup his investment in the sport.

“He had no answer,” Hamlin said.
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Buterman then noted Hamlin went on former driver Kenny Wallace’s podcast and said the Next Gen car, which requires teams to source parts from a single supplier in an effort to bring parity, was a positive for the sport — something the teams have now used as a key point in trying to prove NASCAR illegally abused its monopoly power.

An animated Hamlin responded by saying he was doing NASCAR a favor by telling fans such things on a podcast and “painting a rosy picture” about what NASCAR wanted drivers to say publicly.

“All my public (comments) are out of context,” Hamlin said about Buterman’s exhibits, adding that if he was negative publicly, “you guys have an issue with that” and there would be repercussions for him at the racetrack.

“You’re able to essentially dictate how I do,” Hamlin said.

Buterman then asked if that means people cannot trust what Hamlin says publicly.

“That’s nonsense,” Hamlin said. “What I do publicly is put out (positive messages). That’s my job. You give me talking points, I say it to make fans feel happy.”
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Kessler showed a NASCAR sanction agreement with one SM track — Las Vegas Motor Speedway — which carried a two-year exclusivity clause beyond the term of the agreement. In other words, the track would not be allowed to host any potential rival stock car series for two years after the agreement expired — through 2026, which overlapped with the window in which a new series was most likely to be formed.

Kessler then showed a document from Prime that planned for a meeting between senior executives and France which laid out two pathways — the first of which was “NASCAR has all the leverage and the teams will almost have to sign the terms we put in front of them.”

Prime said he disagreed with that path and pushed for a compromise with the teams, which other executives agreed with. The jury was shown text messages from Phelps, then the NASCAR president, citing a chart that had “zero wins for teams,” and then-NASCAR COO Steve O’Donnell saying the lack of support for the teams would result in a “1998, f— the teams dictatorship, redneck, Southern, tiny sport.”
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One conclusion that may be drawn from the proceedings so far is that NASCAR and the France family should go broke.
 
Michael Annett (last drove the #5/#1 for JR Motorsports from 2017 through 2021, since retired) is fucking dead. Aged 39
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Wright said:
Michael Annett (last drove the #5/#1 for JR Motorsports from 2017 through 2021, since retired) is fucking dead. Aged 39
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It was rumored by sources from a local news station that he died of pancreatic cancer, the post has been deleted probably out of respect for his family. But Brad Keselowski said that his friend is no longer suffering take that as what you will.
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Johnny Morris, Founder, Owner, and CEO of Bass Pro Shops released a letter regarding the current NASCAR lawsuit, focusing primarily on the comments made about Richard Childress, a close personal friend of Morris.
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TLDR: Johnny is really pissed at NASCAR and Steve Phelps for the comments he's made.
Bass Pro Shops sponsors two cars for a good portion of the races (RCR's Number 3, and JGR's Number 19.) Bass Pro Shops is also the title sponsor for the Bristol Night Race in 2026, and has been the title sponsor for various races for most of the 21st century.
 
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If Johnny Morris is pissed, that's big, big trouble.

I'm not sure I can see a good path for NASCAR out of this trial. I for sure think that the Steves are fucking gone after this no matter what. The alternative if they don't is going full bore on replacing the fanbase with diverse zoomers and that isn't going to work.
 
Mikoyan said:
I'm not sure I can see a good path for NASCAR out of this trial. I for sure think that the Steves are fucking gone after this no matter what. The alternative if they don't is going full bore on replacing the fanbase with diverse zoomers and that isn't going to work.
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My pipe dream: NASCAR Fires Steve Phelps and his lackeys. NASCAR takes the quick and easy win of bringing back a 36 race points system or a chase format, and they replace NASCAR leadership with respected ex-racers and other industry professionals. NASCAR needs people who care about RACING, not those who just care about the financial and business side of the sport. A way more unlikely part of this pipedream would be NASCAR also killing the Next Gen and bringing a beefed up version of the O'Reily cars into Cup.

Phelps is out no matter what, his name is already dirt and the trial isn't even over. Bass Pro Shops might be the first sponsor to publicly talk shit, but I'm sure every other sponsor is having similar thoughts and meetings behind closed doors.
 
Serbian Peacekeepers said:
My pipe dream: NASCAR Fires Steve Phelps and his lackeys. NASCAR takes the quick and easy win of bringing back a 36 race points system or a chase format, and they replace NASCAR leadership with respected ex-racers and other industry professionals. NASCAR needs people who care about RACING, not those who just care about the financial and business side of the sport. A way more unlikely part of this pipedream would be NASCAR also killing the Next Gen and bringing a beefed up version of the O'Reily cars into Cup.

Phelps is out no matter what, his name is already dirt and the trial isn't even over. Bass Pro Shops might be the first sponsor to publicly talk shit, but I'm sure every other sponsor is having similar thoughts and meetings behind closed doors.
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NASCAR reforming and fixing itself up would be nice but I'm open to accepting the possibility it may die in the near future and be replaced. The France family and their corporate suits are too uppity and arrogant for their own good, they act so entitled to everything when the drivers are the ones who have ultimately made stock car racing what it is.
 
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NASCAR reforming and fixing itself up would be nice but I'm open to accepting the possibility it may die in the near future and be replaced. The France family and their corporate suits are too uppity and arrogant for their own good, they act so entitled to everything when the drivers are the ones who have ultimately made stock car racing what it is.
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I see it like this, NASCAR is at a crossroads, they either stick to a normal 36 point race while keeping their dignity and legacy built on from generations. Or can sell out again and again and create some PR bullshit to justify themselves on giving fans the complete opposite of what they asked for.
 
Smyrna said:
A settlement has been reached and the trial is over.

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Before the trial began, people were saying "oh, both sides are going to come out of this looking like assholes.", but outside of a few comments found in 23XI's messages, NASCAR came out looking so much worse than anyone could have really imagined. Johnny Morris's letter was almost certainly a major push to get them to settle.
 
Serbian Peacekeepers said:
Before the trial began, people were saying "oh, both sides are going to come out of this looking like assholes.", but outside of a few comments found in 23XI's messages, NASCAR came out looking so much worse than anyone could have really imagined. Johnny Morris's letter was almost certainly a major push to get them to settle.
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Yesterday was pretty brutal for NASCAR corp and the France family. It tells me that was their best stuff too and the rest of the people were worse.
 
I don't know if I'm more surprised that NASCAR didn't settle before discovery - which was as brutal as everyone expected it to be - or that they saw enough sense to settle after yesterday's utter fucking disaster.
 
A plane owned by Greg Biffle, former Cup Series driver, has crashed in North Carolina at the Statesville Regional Airport. While no official word has come from authorities to the identities of those on board, Garrett Mitchell, better known as Cleetus Mcfarland, has said on his Facebook page that Greg, his wife Cristina, daughter Emma, and son Ryder were on board the plane.
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(when first posted, Mitchell said he was unaware if Biffle's daughter was on the plane or not. He has since updated it to include Emma as someone who was on the plane.)
 
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A plane owned by Greg Biffle, former Cup Series driver, has crashed in North Carolina at the Statesville Regional Airport. While no official word has come from authorities to the identities of those on board, Garrett Mitchell, better known as Cleetus Mcfarland, has said on his Facebook page that Greg, his wife Cristina, daughter Emma, and son Ryder were on board the plane.
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(when first posted, Mitchell said he was unaware if Biffle's daughter was on the plane or not. He has since updated it to include Emma as someone who was on the plane.)
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A youtuber making a tragedy about themselves? Never!
 
Greg, Cristina, Emma, and Ryder's deaths have been confirmed by the family.
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Alongside the Biffles are Dennis Dutton, his son Jack, and Craig Wadsworth.
Various memorial posts are being made by NASCAR and others in the industry.
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