US Navajo objection to flying human ashes to the Moon won’t delay launch - "They’re not going to remove the human remains and keep them here on Earth."


STEPHEN CLARK - 1/6/2024

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The Moon sets over sandstone formations on the Navajo Nation.

Science instruments aren't the only things hitching a ride to the Moon on a commercial lunar lander ready for launch Monday. Two companies specializing in "space burials" are sending cremated human remains to the Moon, and this doesn't sit well with the Navajo Nation.

The Navajo people, one of the nation's largest Indigenous groups, hold the Moon sacred, and putting human remains on the lunar surface amounts to desecration, according to Navajo Nation President Buu Nygren.

"The sacredness of the Moon is deeply embedded in the spirituality and heritage of many Indigenous cultures, including our own," Nygren said in a statement. "The placement of human remains on the Moon is a profound desecration of this celestial body revered by our people."

Last month, Nygren wrote a letter to NASA and the Department of Transportation, which licenses commercial space launches, requesting a postponement of the flight to the Moon. The human remains in question are mounted to the robotic Peregrine lander, built and owned by a Pittsburgh-based company named Astrobotic, poised for liftoff from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida on top of United Launch Alliance's Vulcan rocket.

This is the second time a US spacecraft has gone to the Moon with human remains aboard. In 1998, NASA's Lunar Prospector mission launched with a small capsule containing the ashes of Eugene Shoemaker, a pioneer in planetary geology. NASA intentionally crashed spacecraft into the Moon in 1999, leaving Shoemaker's ashes permanently on the surface.

At that time, officials from the Navajo Nation objected to the scattering of Shoemaker's ashes on the Moon. NASA promised to consult with tribal officials before another spacecraft flew to the Moon with human remains. A big part of Nygren's recent complaint was the lack of dialogue on the matter before this mission.

"This act disregards past agreements and promises of respect and consultation between NASA and the Navajo Nation, notably following the Lunar Prospector mission in 1998," Nygren said in a statement. He added that the request for consultation is "rooted in a desire to ensure that our cultural practices, especially those related to the Moon and the treatment of the deceased, are respected."

An oversight​

Officials from the White House and NASA met with Nygren on Friday to discuss his concerns. Speaking with reporters after the meeting, Nygren said he believes it was an oversight that federal officials didn't meet with the Navajo Nation at an earlier stage.

“I think being able to consult into the future is one of the things that they’re going to try to work on," he told reporters Friday. While Nygren said that was good to hear, "we were given no reassurance that the human remains were not going to be transported to the Moon on Monday."

Removing the human remains would delay the launch at least several weeks. It would require removing Astrobotic's lunar lander from the top of the Vulcan rocket, taking it back to a clean room facility, and opening the payload fairing to provide access to the spacecraft.

"They’re not going to remove the human remains and keep them here on Earth where they were created, but instead, we were just told that a mistake has happened, we’re sorry, into the future we’re going to try to consult with you," Nygren said.

"We take concerns expressed from the Navajo Nation very, very seriously," said Joel Kearns, deputy associate administrator for exploration in NASA's science directorate. "And we think we're going to be continuing this conversation."

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Buu Nygren, president of the Navajo Nation.

Astrobotic's mission is different from Lunar Prospector in one important sense. The Peregrine lander is privately owned, while Lunar Prospector was a government spacecraft. NASA has a $108 million contract with Astrobotic to deliver the agency's science payloads to the Moon as a commercial service. Astrobotic's mission is the first time a US company will attempt to land a commercial spacecraft on the Moon.

While Nygren argues that NASA's role as Astrobotic's anchor customer should give the agency some influence over decision-making, the government's only legal authority in overseeing the mission is through the Federal Aviation Administration.

The FAA is responsible for ensuring commercial launches, like the Vulcan rocket flight Monday, don't put public safety at risk. The launch licensing process also includes an FAA review to ensure a launch would not jeopardize US national security, foreign policy interests, or international obligations.

"For our own missions ... NASA works to be very mindful of potential concerns for any work that we'll do on the Moon," Kearns said. "In this particular case ... NASA really doesn't have involvement or oversight."

A tenet of NASA's strategy for lunar exploration is to partner with commercial companies. In the end, NASA wants to be one of many customers buying transportation services to the Moon, reducing costs to taxpayers.

Astrobotic sold capacity on its lander to several customers, mainly NASA, which is sending a radiation sensor, spectrometers, and a laser retroreflector array to the Moon aboard the Peregrine lander. This is the first launch for NASA's Commercial Lunar Payload Services (CLPS) program established in 2018 to purchase flights to the Moon for scientific and technology demonstration experiments.

"These are truly commercial missions," said Chris Culbert, NASA's CLPS program manager. "It's up to them to sell what they can sell. But in the process of making sure that our payloads needs are being met, we obviously have a lot of discussions about how the payloads fit together."

There's also a small lunar rover developed at Carnegie Mellon University, and five tiny robots—each less than a tenth of a pound—from the Mexican Space Agency that will deploy onto the lunar surface. Some of Astrobotic's customers are sending commemorative plaques and mementos to the Moon. Then, there are Celestis and Elysium Space. These two companies gathered human ashes from families paying to send the remains of their loved ones for an eternal stay on the lunar surface.

Celestis, headquartered in Houston, says it has 20 completed "memorial spaceflights" since the 1990s. "If you’ve ever longed to travel in space, or stepped outside on a starry night and felt at home, we invite you to consider one of the following memorial spaceflight services for yourself or a loved one," Celestis writes on its website.

Launching your loved one's ashes on the Moon creates a "a permanent memorial on a distant, but constantly viewable world," Celestis says. The company charges $13,000 to land a small amount human remains on the Moon.

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Technicians prepare capsules containing ashes and human DNA for liftoff on United Launch Alliance's Vulcan rocket.

This mission, which Celestis calls Tranquility Flight, will carry the cremated remains or DNA of 66 people to Astrobotic's landing site at Gruithuisen Domes, the site of an ancient volcanic eruption on the near side of the Moon. The list of participants on Tranquility Flight include science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke and Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry.

Elysium Space has not released details about exactly what it will send to the Moon on the Peregrine lander. Astrobotic's description of Elysium's payload says it will "deliver a symbolic portion of remains" to the lunar surface.

Nygren said the Navajo Nation does not oppose rocket launches or space exploration, but he is concerned about the lack of oversight and regulation of non-NASA commercial payloads.

"As stewards of our culture and traditions, it is our responsibility to voice our grievances when actions are taken that could desecrate sacred
spaces and disregard deeply held cultural beliefs," he said.

Charles Chafer, CEO of Celestis, pushed back on the Navajo Nation objections in an interview with Marcia Smith of SpacePolicyOnline.com. "Nobody owns the Moon" and there is “no religious test for the conduct of space activities,” he said.

"We reject the whole premise that this is somehow desecration," Chafer said. "We handle these capsules reverently. We do not scatter them on the lunar surface. We object to the entire characterization of our service that I read in the letter. It’s the antithesis of desecration. It’s celebration.”
 
Superior Bong here, but isn't this a sort of thing the red man does on the regular? Claiming something is sacred and thus should be how they want it to be? I seem to remember a few people years ago talking about some expansion of a dam and the issue with the local injuns started to claim it was their land or some shit.

Yes, this is especially pronounced in Canada. Canadian native groups cite colonial-era treaties for their claims to land and what to do with it - it's essentially setting up questionable legal battles everywhere in Canada for every little thing, and the Good Liberal view is that the treaties have to be honored, that non-Natives are "guests" on the land, and should bend the knee to the red man in all aspects of their lives. In contrast, in the US manifest destiny just meant that our forefathers took as much as they could.

Navajo trying to claim they own the moon.

No wonder these dumb people are basically extinct. Darwinism.



The reality is its all a grift for money. "Oh, you're desecrating our culture... unless you can give us a cut of the profits, then the spirits will allow it!" They aren't actually weeping because they think spirits are mad or some shit.

The Navajos have been the per capita poorest federally recognized tribe for decades, and unemployment on their reservation hovers at around 50%. Obviously their resources should be spent on making sure paleface can't do anything on the sacred moon.
 
The Navajos have been the per capita poorest federally recognized tribe for decades, and unemployment on their reservation hovers at around 50%. Obviously their resources should be spent on making sure paleface can't do anything on the sacred moon.
I read a based article about Indian education written back in the 50s and it said, "Blacks want to be middle class, Indians just want to be Indian."

They'd rather be on the rez with their people than anything else.
 
Now crawl back to your shitty little reservation and go drink your shitty firewater and go beat your shitty wife before we decide to finish the job General Custer started.
Custer is a pretty bad example. I'd say more like Andrew Jackson.
We should launch byuu's ashes into the sun
We'd have to burn him first. Plus we should launch him into Uranus instead.
 
If I recall correctly, multiple treaties were signed, and they included all celestial bodies, not just Luna.
I love stupid treaties like that because you know they're just done to appease some need for peace at the time and there's 0 way that shit will last the minute that mining material from off-earth becomes cheap enough.
 
I read a based article about Indian education written back in the 50s and it said, "Blacks want to be middle class, Indians just want to be Indian."

They'd rather be on the rez with their people than anything else.
This is why I respect the Indians and want to see them get sovereignty and be able to double dip and be full US citizens. They want to be left the fuck alone which is to me one of the most American of all values. We did fuck them over and it's the least we can do. But they don't get to claim the moon.

This has been shown to be a joke, but it's funny as hell:

When NASA was preparing for the Apollo project, they did some astronaut training on a Navajo Indian reservation.​

One day, a Navajo elder and his son were herding sheep and came across the space crew. The old man, who only spoke Navajo, asked a question, which the son translated, “What are the guys in the big suits doing?”
A member of the crew said they were practicing for their trip to the moon. The old man got really excited and asked if he could send a message to the moon with the astronauts.
Recognizing a promotional opportunity for the spin-doctors, the NASA folks found a tape recorder.
After the old man recorded his message, they asked the son to translate. He refused. So the NASA reps brought the tape to the reservation, where the rest of the tribe listened and laughed, but refused to translate the elder’s message to the moon.
Finally, NASA called in an official government translator. He reported that the moon message said: “Watch out for these guys; they’ve come to steal your land.”

I could see it being real though, a lot of Indians have a very dry sense of humor.
 
I am reminded of a girl at a festival in Bongland telling me that NASA were "bombing the moon because they're patriarchal and the moon is a feminine symbol". After some further discussion it turned out that she was referring to a probe they had sent into the surface to stir up layers of moon dust in order to analyse its sub-surface composition.
 
I love stupid treaties like that because you know they're just done to appease some need for peace at the time and there's 0 way that shit will last the minute that mining material from off-earth becomes cheap enough.
The treaty doesn't actually prohibit mining. At least for the foreseeable future, there's plenty of room. There's very little that would make sense to mine on the Moon, though. It's nearly identical to Earth (probably because it was knocked off us at some point).

The one thing that would make sense to mine is He-3 if we ever get fusion going. The solar wind dumps it on the Moon, but our atmosphere blocks it. It's also completely renewable so unless we started consuming monstrous amounts of it, there wouldn't really be any need to fight over it.

Of course people are stupid and always manage to find something to fight about, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

The one thing the Moon Treaty does prohibit is using the Moon for military purposes, but even then, it doesn't prohibit using military forces to carry out science.

Also neither the U.S., nor Russia, nor China (i.e. the main people likely to do any of that shit it prohibits) are parties to the treaty, so it's kind of theoretical.
 
You know, for a bunch of motherfuckers who like to talk about how their "superior" culture didn't "own" anything, these natives sure as fuck want to dictate what everyone else can do with their land, water, mountains, plants, animals and livestock and now even the goddamn moon...
They claim to be indigenous but they didn't come up from the ground like spring grass.

 
A bit of a weird development of this story. So, as you may know, the Peregrine lander had been clinging to life for a while, accomplishing some secondary mission goals during its 10 days in orbit, like powering on its instruments and testing radio comms at lunar distance. The fuel leak had slowed almost to a complete stop.

A soft landing had been ruled out due to the state of the engine. But it did look quite possible that, had the mission continued to the 15-day mark, they'd get a chance to make a close approach or hard impact on the moon. It would have required a precise course correction with the crippled engine. So it was decided that this would have been "too risky" - it could go off-course or explode, creating space junk.

In the end, they made a similarly precise course correction to hit a specific part of the earth, and neither bad thing happened, despite the crippled engine. Mayhaps they overestimated the risk? It's possible. But an anonymous tip-off from industry insiders suggests it was because they faced external pressure from the Navajo Nation, acting through NASA, to end it when they did.

The Angry Astronaut has the exclusive:

I stress that it's too early to jump to conclusions. But a distinct possibility is that the natives put pressure on the US government, and by extension NASA (the main customer on this mission), who in turn gave Astrobotic the order to kill it earlier than planned.


To be clear, this was not a NASA mission. Astrobotic flew six instruments on NASA's behalf, but a further 16 private customers had payloads on the Peregrine – two rovers, two instruments, and 12 time capsules (two of which contained human ashes). These wouldn't have survived a hard impact, so it only really matters as a general principle. But the fact remains that NASA cannot - should not – unilaterally abort the mission in any official capacity. But they can subtly threaten to withdraw funding, which has the same result.

At least for now, Astrobotic and the companies sending human ashes to the moon will have no hesitations about trying again. But if space ambitions can be nixed or scaled back in any way by a tiny, angry religious group that holds a disproportionate amount of power in the US government, then it sets a worrying precedent for the future.

Let it be known that it's not the Jews this time!
 
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