Nebula / Standard Broadcast LLC - A Creator-Owned Streaming Service

[Markass the Worst]

TL;DR More Better Union was a gravel institute lookalike channel that featured some breadtubbers got most of it's main staff info doxed, oh and it's also apparently being funded by Soros

More Perfect Union, and they're not really affiliated with Nebula far as I know.

Edit: Wendover actually did something good for once, but it's another question if he will win.

In an update to this post

Wendover Productions and Legal Eagle have filed a Class action lawsuit against Paypal/Stripe over their browser extension Honey, which they accuse of stealing millions of dollars through predatory fee shifting injections into point of sale transactions.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/bigges...sions-via-its-honey-browser-extension.208424/

 

[Eventide]

@Markass the Worst: I guess a broken clock is right twice a day?

In other Nebula News: on the 1st of January, the Curiosity Stream/Nebula split fully went into effect, requiring anyone who subscribed to Nebula through the Curiosity stream bundle repurchase their subscriptions.

You're probably saying yourself "re-purchase"? Yes, I mean re-purchase. SoyfaceCEO who clearly lacks any form of inherent business sense, vocally proclaimed how he refuses to acknowledge any Nebula subscription purchased through the Curiosity stream bundle. A few people complained on the Nebula subreddit, but SoyfaceCEO immediately deleted the posts after arguing "stfu CuriosityStream didn't have the authority to sell lifetime Nebula bundles".

interestingly, this tweet confirmed the majority of Nebula subscribers had accessed Nebula through said Curiositystream bundle:

If hundreds of thousands of subscribers had to switch over to non-Curiositystream Nebula (remember, according to SoyCEO in a magazine interview in October, the official Nebula subscriber count was somewhere around 640,000) - is it possible they lost subscribers who wisely didn't think Nebula content was worth paying for on its own?

*pushes more casino chips into my pile* I'm going to continue speculating that Nebula collapses by the end of the year, based entirely on its leaderships poor business decisions. (Alternatively, the Trump administration seizes all their assets for being a streaming service composed almost entirely of unregistered Qatar foreign agents).

Hopefully those Jetlag lads can score a deal with a different streaming service, like Netflix, Amazon, or Disney+. If SoyfaceCEO had been smart, he'd have put all his effort into promoting Jetlag & the spinoff, the Getaway - easily the most accessible Nebula content (and the Nebula content with the largest active fanbase). But he's not, hence this thread. Gosh, imagine if Nebula goes bankrupt before this thread even makes it out of Prospering Grounds?

 

[Ninon42]

Edit: Wendover actually did something good for once, but it's another question if he will win.

Kinda funny that when Nebula creators finally do get non-Nebula sponsors, they sue them lol.

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

I kind of wonder if Nebula is on its last legs, a couple youtube creators I follow (Adam Neely and David Bruce) who have been very sparse on youtube since departing for Nebula have returned to youtube in full force with new projects/grifts they're pushing (band tour/CD and a composing master class, respectively). Perhaps the VC money train has dried up?

 

[Eventide]

I kind of wonder if Nebula is on its last legs, a couple youtube creators I follow (Adam Neely and David Bruce) who have been very sparse on youtube since departing for Nebula have returned to youtube in full force with new projects/grifts they're pushing (band tour/CD and a composing master class, respectively). Perhaps the VC money train has dried up?

This would correlate with the Nebula/Curiosity stream split. Considering how small Nebula's subscriber count is post Curiosity stream split (since it seems most Nebula streamers paid via the Curiosity stream bundle. Like how Fios cable subscribers pay a bit extra each month to access HBO) - I could seen creators reading the writing on the wall, and trying to return to Youtube, before the Nebula ship ultimately sinks. I also can see creators who aren't favored by SoyfaceCEO, being annoying by him wasting the platforms finances by funding his creator friends' obviously-going-to-flop, personal pet projects (i.e. that Vampire Troon movie) and leaving Nebula the moment their contract (if they have one with the platform) expires.

I think (like, what I could surmise from SoyfaceCEO's various contradictory statements related to ownership of platform/payment of creators) Nebula pays all their creators a set amount per video views (compared to Youtube, where monetization varies per video topic). The set amount is higher if the video is exclusive to Nebula. Other perks to creators (I think) include access to its studios to film content, and possibly access to its in house editors. (EDIT: phone deleted this part by accident). I'm not an edutainment streamer, so I have no means of weighing if the Nebula arrangement is financially viable. Although I'd imagine Nebula might be a major turn off to outside sponsors/potential outside revenue for creators, considering the increasingly hot political takes Nebula has been endorsing. For example, claiming Qatar is the bestest country in the world, and Qatari jounalism is unbiased, unlike American journalism! & claiming the war in Gaza's continuation is not the fault of Hamas, but a moneymaking scheme created by Jewish American Death merchants who secretly control congress in order to *checks notes* profiteer by slaughtering Muslim children - no seriously, Nebula has a video actually claiming that, with "Death Merchants" in the title (if Nebula collapses, they always have a career over on Rumble/wherever Nick Fuentes currently posts his livestreams!):

So...yeah. Nebula probably not profitable for streamers who aren't raking in a sizeable monthly stipend by grifting their fans on Patreon.

On the topic of SoyfaceCEO playing favorites, I have a personal theory about why Nebula funded Sam Denby/Wendover/The Jetlag creator's adaption (ripoff?) of the UK comedy show Room 101. I think, in a moment of clarity, Denby threw his weight around and demanded he get his project approved. SoyfaceCEO made a few snarky comments on Reddit about how he doesn't think game and comedy based shows are commercially viable or appealing, hence why he doesn't have any D&D/tabletop game themed exclusive shows on Nebula (...but troon vampire shows are? ) Nebula hasn't appeared to advertise or promote Denby's version of Room 101 (to the point where I don't even know it's name. I just know he released an American version of the show on Nebula). Nor has Nebula really promoted the latest season of JetLag (despite JetLag actually having fans).

(& if any of the Nebula folks shadow this thread) Denby, as problematic & stupid your political takes are, your other Nebula content is alright & deserves better! Jetlag, or some variation of it, could easily make it on mainstream tv. Hire an entertainment lawyer (that isn't Legal Eagle) to get your rights back from Nebula & a competent entertainment consultant with connections that can get you a meeting with actual television executives. As long as you aren't an utter socially awkward 'tard, you could probably get a show approved.

 

[Ninon42]

Denby, as problematic & stupid your political takes are, your other Nebula content is alright & deserves better

Sam Denby is Chief Content Officer of Nebula and has been since August 2023. He's the one in charge of making and promoting his content. Either he is bad at it, doesn't see the value in it, or both.

 

[Eventide]

Sam Denby is Chief Content Officer of Nebula and has been since August 2023. He's the one in charge of making and promoting his content. Either he is bad at it, doesn't see the value in it, or both.

Perhaps Denby isn't being given adequate funds to promote content/it's more of an "in name only" title? Also, isn't he a 25 year old Geologist? Why is he the head of Nebula's content/marketing? Shouldn't they have a real television/streaming executive in that role, especially since Wiskus claims he wants Nebula to become the next Netflix?

 

[Blue Gem Kosher Queen]

I wanted to share this one here because its partially relevant to the discussion. For those that didn't know, Second Thought made his own 'streaming for larping commies' service along his friends that think 10/7 was based, Means.tv, which is emptier and has even less reasons to exist. For those that forgot, this grifter got the ball rolling for Nebula and it would be funny if as the Nebula tugboat gets compromised he, Yugopnik and Hakim decide to throw everyone under the bus and by proxy certify themselves as the skeptics with fed money.

 

[The_Bladder_Splatter]

Wiskus claims he wants Nebula to become the next Netflix

Hahahaha

Second Thought made his own 'streaming for larping commies' service along his friends that think 10/7 was based, Means.tv, which is emptier and has even less reasons to exist. For those that forgot, this grifter got the ball rolling for Nebula and it would be funny if as the Nebula tugboat gets compromised her, Yugopnik and Hakim decide to throw everyone under the bus and by proxy certify themselves as the skeptics with fed money.

So they already reached the point of the espected leftist infighting, this is an interesting development

 

[Eventide]

I wanted to share this one here because its partially relevant to the discussion. For those that didn't know, Second Thought made his own 'streaming for larping commies' service along his friends that think 10/7 was based, Means.tv, which is emptier and has even less reasons to exist. For those that forgot, this grifter got the ball rolling for Nebula and it would be funny if as the Nebula tugboat gets compromised her, Yugopnik and Hakim decide to throw everyone under the bus and by proxy certify themselves as the skeptics with fed money.

I know Breadtubers are frequently accused of being glowies; but Second Thought genuinely does strike me as glowie-adjacent. Even though he's retarded by virtue of being a Soviet-style commie that sides with Islamists - his actual viewpoints are a little too, uh, polished? Like, he's possibly just an actor following a script, and doesn't actually believe the bs he's spewing.

& Second Thought ditched Nebula the moment they started to shill were paid off by for Qatar (I suspect ST quit, Wiskus just claimed ST got fired for an "antisemitic incident" - no proof or explanation of what said incident was. It certainly wasn't hating Jews, hating Israel, or supporting Hamas - since that's the majority of Nebula creator's views as well) That would make sense if ST was a fed. Why risk losing a glowie internet video essay psy-op job (nice work if you can get it) or jailtime for being an unregistered foreign agent?

I'm not a-logging when I theorize that Nebula will potentially be up sh!t's creek in the near future/get in trouble with the Trump-run Justice Dept. (presumably for the exact same charges that took down Tenet media). Trump (as well as his allies) have repeatedly claimed they're out for blood when it comes to Qatari-influence in the United States, especially their involvement in fueling the pro-Hamas rhetoric that led to university riots. Trump might strip Qatar of NATO-ally status, so I highly doubt they'd look kindly to Qatar funded video essays about how amazing and superspecial the nation of Qatar is.

Somewhat related, Trump still desperately wants the Saudi/Israeli deal to go through (& especially the Saudis, since they'd make out like bandits in any hypothetical deal still on the table) - so his justice department also isn't going to like the droves of Qatar-funded anti-Israel essays on Nebula. & in the Lindsay Ellis thread, I discussed a recent podcast Lindsay was on, where she remarked how in her recently released YA scifi romance book, she really wanted to include a scene where she killed off every single member of the Saudi royal family in a plane crash (since there's over 13,000 of them, I guess she meant multiple plane crashes?). Hm, what interesting an interesting sentence spoken by someone with potential Qatari financial ties. (For more context, Qatar & the KSA generally fucking hate each other. Qatar wishes to supplant Saudi Arabia as the West-influencing superpower of the Middle East).

In other Nebula-related news, SoyFace CEO has resorted to begging for creator applications on Bluesky. But he's an asshole about it/doesn't promise all that much in return for joining Nebula, so I doubt Nebula has many interested in joining their pathetic creator stable:

He also made a weirdly phrased comment a few days ago, trying to explain why he no longer announces Nebula's total subscriber amount (presumably because it's lower than the 640,000 that subscribed to Nebula when they were bundled to CuriosityStream):

Yeah, they definitely lost a lot of subscribers (and possibly creators too, if he needs to beg for applications).

 

[The_Bladder_Splatter]

Like, he's possibly just an actor following a script, and doesn't actually believe the bs he's spewing.

Most well established content creators that also have a developed video production are usually reduced to being spokepersons from whatever the writers get their info which in itself is usually poised by some agenda, so we have to asume that either the creator, the writers or their source are from glowie origins

In other Nebula-related news, SoyFace CEO has resorted to begging for creator applications on Bluesky. But he's an asshole about it/doesn't promise all that much in return for joining Nebula, so I doubt Nebula has many interested in joining their pathetic creator stable

Yeah... things must be real bad if the CEO himself desperately trying to gain relevance, more if we take into account that Wiskus isn't very active on social media and keeps mostly a low profile

 

[Eventide]

Oh, wow, all of us posters on this thread must collectively be psychic - 'cause look what the SoyfaceCEO complained about today on Bluesky:

Spoiler: Post long so I'm hiding it under spoiler

If the CEO feels the need to whine about a 150,000 dollar loss, than I suspect the company is barely able to afford keeping the lights on. I guess the flop of Vampire Troon: The Movie was so catastrophic, it nearly bankrupted the platform & it gets even funnier: Nebula could have easily avoided going over a million in purchases on Applepay (?) if the platform got its financial sh!t together & bothered to accept European bank cards as a form of payment. One of the most common complaints on the Nebula subreddit is Europeans asking why their bank cards aren't accepted by the platform/wondering if Nebula is only available in the American market. The only payment that worked for most Europeans was Applepay:

Spoiler: European Redditors complaining Nebula can't accept their money

I like how the SoyfaceCEO's explanation for Nebula's inability to accept the majority of European payment methods is "Give me a break - configuring Stripe is like, really difficult".

Anyway, I will double down on my prediction of Nebula being kaput by the end of the year (due to general insolvency, or federal crime reasons for accepting Qatar-bucks)

 

[hothead]

TL;DR More Perfect Union is a gravel institute lookalike channel that featured some breadtubbers got most of it's main staff info doxed, oh and it's also apparently being funded by Soros

Finally, someone noticed this channel, More Perfect Union, and Now This News are the biggest liars, but they get fantastic SEO because they pump out videos on just about every political topic. I also have not seen anybody respond to them besides, I think, Freedom Toons, who debunked a Now This News video.

 

[Ninon42]

Oh, wow, all of us posters on this thread must collectively be psychic - 'cause look what the SoyfaceCEO complained about today on Bluesky:

Spoiler: Post long so I'm hiding it under spoiler

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If the CEO feels the need to whine about a 150,000 dollar loss, than I suspect the company is barely able to afford keeping the lights on. I guess the flop of Vampire Troon: The Movie was so catastrophic, it nearly bankrupted the platform & it gets even funnier: Nebula could have easily avoided going over a million in purchases on Applepay (?) if the platform got its financial sh!t together & bothered to accept European bank cards as a form of payment. One of the most common complaints on the Nebula subreddit is Europeans asking why their bank cards aren't accepted by the platform/wondering if Nebula is only available in the American market. The only payment that worked for most Europeans was Applepay:

Spoiler: European Redditors complaining Nebula can't accept their money

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I like how the SoyfaceCEO's explanation for Nebula's inability to accept the majority of European payment methods is "Give me a break - configuring Stripe is like, really difficult".

Anyway, I will double down on my prediction of Nebula being kaput by the end of the year (due to general insolvency, or federal crime reasons for accepting Qatar-bucks)

Interesting. That's the first real information wrt their income that has come out. I don't think they'll go under, but I do think they'll engage in a strategic partnership with some lefty angel investors who may or may not be from Qatar (probably not, too obvious). If they want to expand to numerous feature-length productions, they need consistent liquid capital and it's doubtful IMO that they have it. Another possibility is to give their creator stable the option to invest their earnings back into the company and increase their share, but it's unlikely enough of them make enough to be willing to put their pittance of a payout at risk.

 

[Eventide]

Interesting. That's the first real information wrt their income that has come out. I don't think they'll go under, but I do think they'll engage in a strategic partnership with some lefty angel investors who may or may not be from Qatar (probably not, too obvious). If they want to expand to numerous feature-length productions, they need consistent liquid capital and it's doubtful IMO that they have it. Another possibility is to give their creator stable the option to invest their earnings back into the company and increase their share, but it's unlikely enough of them make enough to be willing to put their pittance of a payout at risk.

If they were going to be saved by a lefty angel investor or venture capitalist, the time would have been now, fresh from the CuriousityStream split. Heck, it would have been last year, when Wiskus was featured in all those industry articles discussing how he wishes for Nebula to compete with Netflix. I suspect the platform's history of pro-Qatar propaganda, and as well their dedication to consistently producing anti-Israel, and anti-Saudi video essays has scared off the investors who'd traditionally provide a blank check to fund leftist internet content. Note: Nebula's virulent anti-Saudi bias is nowhere near their hatred of Jews Israel. Heck, a Nebula-er even slipped this lil plausibly deniable antisemitic caricature into a video essay that's solely dedicated to talking shit about MbS' 2030 vision for the KSA:

Spoiler: Look they included a lil Jew goblin

Anyway, remember - just this week, Facebook's Mark Zuckenburg reversed Facebook's stringent (obviously pro-Leftist) policies on political censorship, and presumably apologized to Trump when they met for brunch at Mar a Largo. Mark wouldn't do all that out of the kindness of his heart - Big Tech appears to be taking Trump's threat of throwing CEO's in prison for sedition very seriously.

& as much as an insufferable tool Tim Pool is (I apologize for the rhyming) - I do suspect there's many Republicans who will be out for blood, investigating every major leftist political grifter podcast channel for the same crimes (i.e. inadvertently accepting shady cash from foreign agents trying to push an agenda) that shut down Tenet. Politics is often petty like that.

TLDR: Nebula has a lot going against it than just a general lack of funding.

 

[Ninon42]

If they were going to be saved by a lefty angel investor or venture capitalist, the time would have been now, fresh from the CuriousityStream split. Heck, it would have been last year, when Wiskus was featured in all those industry articles discussing how he wishes for Nebula to compete with Netflix. I suspect the platform's history of pro-Qatar propaganda, and as well their dedication to consistently producing anti-Israel, and anti-Saudi video essays has scared off the investors who'd traditionally provide a blank check to fund leftist internet content.

Amongst the left, being anti-Israel is a feature, not a bug at the moment. Nebula has marketed itself ideologically as a creator-owned and -driven platform, a strong upstart streaming service that don't need no filthy venture capital. Like every other activist-centered company positioning itself as a disruptor which gained a modicum of success, they've found that the skills needed to produce creative content (or provide a service) do not necessarily translate to running a business. You yourself asked recently why Nebula would have a 25yo geologist as chief content creator rather than someone with actual experience; the answer is that he's made successful content for them, so they assumed he knows how to make and recognize more successful content. He doesn't know the marketing or budget side. To his credit, he might well learn, but management is a full time job if done correctly and it will eat in to the side of the business he is actually good at, resulting in a possible net loss overall.

Nebula grew by piggybacking on Curiosity Stream, a company that was started by people with decades of experience in TV. Now they are standing on their own, and finding that huh, the workers seizing the means of production means that someone is going to have to shoulder the responsibility of management, comrade, and it is hard. Creatives are a bitch to wrangle at the best of times; two hundred-ish moderately successful YouTubers and their egos vying for their own continued success in the zero-sum game of views over all is a disaster waiting to happen without a leader with a firm pimp hand. Wiskus is too desperate to be a personality himself to put the company before his own ego.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

If the CEO feels the need to whine about a 150,000 dollar loss, than I suspect the company is barely able to afford keeping the lights on. I guess the flop of Vampire Troon: The Movie was so catastrophic, it nearly bankrupted the platform & it gets even funnier: Nebula could have easily avoided going over a million in purchases on Applepay (?) if the platform got its financial sh!t together & bothered to accept European bank cards as a form of payment. One of the most common complaints on the Nebula subreddit is Europeans asking why their bank cards aren't accepted by the platform/wondering if Nebula is only available in the American market. The only payment that worked for most Europeans was Applepay:

proving once and for all that SJWS can actually make profitable businesses and they can only be parasites say what you will but there's actually at least right wing business ventures that are independently profitable.
Dissident soaps they make pretty good soap
interlocal publishing
daily wire

these people can't even run a successful business just take over other people's businesses and then run them into the ground

 

[The_Bladder_Splatter]

proving once and for all that SJWS can actually make profitable businesses and they can only be parasites say what you will but there's actually at least right wing business ventures that are independently profitable.
Dissident soaps they make pretty good soap
interlocal publishing
daily wire

these people can't even run a successful business just take over other people's businesses and then run them into the ground

I think this is the usual case of the difference on work ethic between liberals and conservatives, seeing how most of nebula's stable members are medium-high to high class spoiled kids it woulnd't be surprising that the know jackshit about hadling bussiness and themselves

 

[Mr.Bucket]

I almost signed up for nebula because I wanted to see more Paper Skies videos and he always shills it as "his" streaming service at the end of his videos. Then when watching something else entirely I found out they have gross trannies doing gross tranny things on there and decided not to.
Then I see this. *Really* glad I didn't.

 

[Eventide]

I think this is the usual case of the difference on work ethic between liberals and conservatives, seeing how most of nebula's stable members are medium-high to high class spoiled kids it woulnd't be surprising that the know jackshit about handling business and themselves

Indeed.

While the SoyfaceCEO was crying poverty over on Bluesky, he was bragging about nearly 30 grand worth of camera equipment on Twitter (it's weird he posts different content on both Twitter and Bluesky):

Spoiler: a RED V-Raptor costs like 20 grand; a Canon C80 about 7 grand

Is he renting those cameras? Are they his personal cameras? Are they Nebula-owned cameras that only he & his favored creators have access too? (see my previous comment about Nebula being run like an art collective, & why that's bad for the majority of Nebula creators).

Also, why is the CEO filming anything? Shouldn't he be doing, idk, CEO-y business stuff? (Like, IDK, yelling at the CFO for not configuring Stripe to accept European bank cards/payment methods, which inadvertently caused Nebula to suffer a 150,000 dollar loss) Is Nebula just too broke to hire actual camera men/camera crews for its upcoming show?

I almost signed up for nebula because I wanted to see more Paper Skies videos and he always shills it as "his" streaming service at the end of his videos. Then when watching something else entirely I found out they have gross trannies doing gross tranny things on there and decided not to.
Then I see this. *Really* glad I didn't.

Glad you didn't waste your money. It might sound like I'm jumping the gun, but I have serious doubts the streaming platform will last through to the end of the year. To be honest, I have serious doubts the talent are even being paid (or at least not as much as the CEO is claiming).

Also, my research into Nebula found a post (archived) on Reddit, with this gem of a quote:

At some point CGP Grey, and Philipp Dettmer of Kurzgesagt joined and were made honorary co-founders. Grey and Phillip left late 2019 or early 2020 due to philosophical and creative differences. Grey and Philip were apparently relatively hands off and at one point tried to shut Nebula down. Their shares were bought by the other creators working with Nebula.

It links to a comment (from a now deleted post) by Wiskus:

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How many creators now, have left Nebula due to "creative & business differences"? A CPGGrey fan seems to have done research a few years ago, and also found it all to be fishy.

Anyway, who the heck is Taytocrisps (this is a comment from the Nebula timeline Reddit post)?

Spoiler: Claims CPGrey and Kurzgesagt tried to shut down Nebula in 2019?

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