Neocities and the Yesterweb - The Second Coming of Tumblr. Led by a massive group of extremist hypocrites that go by neopronouns and full of webrings devoted to "transing the internet".

It's like one big neo webring.
Yeah, they treat Neocities as social community, rather than just a hosting service like Geocities and the like were. And part of that is the fault of Neocities itself, for allowing you to "follow" people's sites and leave comments for them. At this point, it's basically another social media platform LARPing as a website host. In that sense, many of the websites truly are glorified social media profiles.

There’s a little blog site I browse around on frequently, and the other day, I ran across a post from one user talking about why she moved her site off of Neocities and onto a different hosting service with her own domain. She gave one technical reason, but the rest directly related back to that social aspect of it -- feeling pressured to be interacting with other users, the constant drama among them, people bossing others around about how their site should look/function, etc. (Apparently "accessibility" is the new righteous excuse for the last one, as I've seen it come up in several other places over the past few months.)
 
"Good Lord, what is happening in there?"
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It's not 1999 anymore when GeoCities was the option. Now you can simply buy a VPS that blows Neocities out of the water. They're talking $5/mo for 3 TB bandwidth and 50 GB disk space, when I can easily pay less for 20 TB bandwidth, 40 GB space, 2 CPUs, 4 GB RAM, dedicated IPv4 and IPv6 addresses, and have root access to my own instance. The entire business model caters to retards.

In the current year, you can even point a CNAME record to a GitHub Pages repo and enjoy essentially unlimited bandwidth and storage for free. There are so many options available that using Neocities is inherently an extremely intentional choice made by a very specific type of person.

You grossly overestimate the average normie's capacity to do anything online. I myself started with Neocities over a more sensible option like VPS because I didn't know what a VPS was. Not only did I not know what VPSs were, I didn't know they existed. I didn't know the difference between SSD or HDD storage, the difference between a back-end or a front end, or how to parse the incredible array of options provided to me by real hosting sites. Most people are not only never taught this, they are never taught how to learn it, either. With the rise walled-garden apps and an internet that relies on customer ignorance to scrape the most out of their wallets, I really don't think this issue is going to get better any time soon.

Neocities, pozzed as it is, provides a straightforward, normie-friendly, easy to understand way of getting started with web-hosting. While this does open the way for a stunning array of autism, it also allows ordinary people, the kind who want a website but have no foundation for learning, to get their start. I honestly think the basic idea is solid, and that it's a pity that Neocities has effectively no competitors in the modern era. There's this empty place between "Real webdev" and "Hobby-blogger" that a lot of people don't realize they miss.

Thinking of VPSs, any recs on what's good? I've been toying with switching over to one of interserver's storage VPS (I like drawing and would want to prioritze space over speed or bandwidth for my pics), but I'm not 100% sure.
 
Neocities, pozzed as it is, provides a straightforward, normie-friendly, easy to understand way of getting started with web-hosting. While this does open the way for a stunning array of autism, it also allows ordinary people, the kind who want a website but have no foundation for learning, to get their start.
I agree that Neocities is a valuable service that helps non-technical people escape the walled gardens of social media. The editing tools in the browser, frontend learning resources, and gallery features are great for newbs. I'd say that outsourcing the search engine to DuckDuckGo is amateurish for a paid Rails product, but that's my only real gripe with the product or its developer, who seems like a reasonably cool digital archivist.

Having gotten started on GeoCities and Neopets myself, there comes a time where you grow up and either: (a) go full normie and stop having a website; (b) have stuff to say but no skills and start a WordPress blog; (c) have skills but nothing to say and go into real development; or (d) have skills and way too much to say, and start Kiwi Farms. Neocities is uncanny to me because it seems less like personal expression and more like the performance of an imagined "old internet," where the cringe experiments of teenagers are glorified, so they never grow up. Not to mention, many of these Neocities kids exist in the cultural equivalent of fermented fecal broth.

As far as VPS goes, there are so many options it's hard to say. I dunno what your budget or skill level is, or how much storage space you need. The InterServer Storage Optimized VPS doesn't thrill me ($6/month for 1 vCPU / 2 GB RAM / 1 TB HDD / 2 TB bandwidth). Maybe something like the Hetzner CAX11 ($4.50/month for 2 vCPU / 4 GB RAM / 40 GB SSD / 20 TB bandwidth) plus extra space on Amazon S3 as needed ($0.023/GB up to 50 TB, and $0.09/GB for bandwidth between 100 GB and 10 TB). OVH also offers S3-based storage for $0.008/GB/month, but you must pay $0.011/GB to serve it.

Say you need 100 MB for a hi-res TIFF and a few downscaled WebP copies of each artwork for what I assume is a personal portfolio on something like WordPress or Hugo. A single Hetzner instance can store ~400 image sets, allowing room for the OS and software. They also offer scalable volumes for $0.0524/GB/month, which might be worth the premium if your bandwidth is over 100 GB. It also depends on whether you want root access to a bare Linux install, or something like cPanel that offers one-click software deployment. I will say that in general, it's easy to overprovision and waste money, especially in the AWS ecosystem.
 
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Pardon the double post, but hosting from home is another perfectly valid option. You can buy used enterprise SSDs such as the Samsung PM883 with 1.92 TB capacity and a few PB of write endurance for like $70 each because tech companies cycle drives when the warranty expires, regardless of actual usage. Assuming you already have a desktop PC and gigabit fiber internet, this is the same as a $30 dedicated server and $50+ in storage. The downsides are increased electricity costs, the inability to host email, and the annoyance of dynamically allocated IPs.

Hybrid solutions are also possible, such as hosting the website at home and buying a Microsoft 365 seat for $6 for fully managed email. I'm on a hybrid model where my home network uses a Proxmox server built from used enterprise gear ($20/month in electricity for 44 vCPU / 256 GB RAM / 64 TB HDD) and my public services use an array of cheap VPS instances. Like I said, there are just so many options that 99% of people paying for Neocities to host a vanity site about their pronouns, could use GitHub Pages instead, or a laptop.
 
As far as VPS goes, there are so many options it's hard to say. I dunno what your budget or skill level is, or how much storage space you need. The InterServer Storage Optimized VPS doesn't thrill me ($6/month for 1 vCPU / 2 GB RAM / 1 TB HDD / 2 TB bandwidth). Maybe something like the Hetzner CAX11 ($4.50/month for 2 vCPU / 4 GB RAM / 40 GB SSD / 20 TB bandwidth) plus extra space on Amazon S3 as needed ($0.023/GB up to 50 TB, and $0.09/GB for bandwidth between 100 GB and 10 TB). OVH also offers S3-based storage for $0.008/GB/month, but you must pay $0.011/GB to serve it.
Say you need 100 MB for a hi-res TIFF and a few downscaled WebP copies of each artwork. A single Hetzner instance can store ~400 image sets, allowing room for the OS and software. They also offer scalable volumes for $0.0524/GB/month, which might be worth the premium if your bandwidth is over 100 GB. It also depends on whether you want root access to a bare Linux install, or something like cPanel that offers one-click software deployment. I will say that in general, it's easy to overprovision and waste money, especially in the AWS ecosystem.

This is why I love forums, sorting through the puff pieces and SEO laden articles cluttering up the search results make straightforward reccomdations like this really valuable. In truth running my own VPS is probably a bit above my skill level, but hey, that's how you learn. If I don't go full turbo autist on a host-from-home setup, I may very well give Hetzner a go.

I can understand being immature on the internet, but the lack of creativity just kills me. A gigabyte of digital freedom, 50, if you're a paid supporter, and not one fishslap.com among the lot of them. No funny jokes, no clever layouts, hardcore worldbuilding for the creators dumb OCs are few and far between. Even webcomics are hard to find. Neocities is perfect for low-level ARGs, but unless you like gay muppets, you're shit out of luck on that front, too. More than anything else, I like finding websites were it's obvious the owner is having fun. With the code, with the content, whatever. Seeing the kind of self-absorbed navel-gazing fuckwittery so many there use as a substitute makes me terribly sad. It's one of the reasons why I'm considering moving on.

Despite having just bitched and moaned about all the bullshit content, the latest updates didn't turn up much of anything noteworthy. The only ones that really stuck out were This Pooner's fucking face (archive), and Boypussy.neocities (archive) who uses her homepage to try to convince people his site is safe for work despite being run by the kind of person who calls themselves boypussy. Describes herself as being fond of "Writing long, cunty rants" like somehow that makes them cool. Probably another pooner, just looking at the mix of ultra-girly pastel and directionless aggression, but I can't be bothered to check.

On the more tolorable side of things here's a site dedicated to flyers for portland based events (archive). It's niche, but it's also the kind of thing small websites are really best for. Gravewhaleyard (archive) makes art that is both tolorable to look at and has a level of effort and originality to her style. IMHO I hope she keeps going with what she's got.




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In truth running my own VPS is probably a bit above my skill level, but hey, that's how you learn. If I don't go full turbo autist on a host-from-home setup, I may very well give Hetzner a go.
Yeah, thanks for reminding me about the learning curve for some of this stuff. It's easy to forget that if you sit a normie down at a Linux CLI and tell them, "you can do anything," they'll often never start. Setting up a WordPress site from scratch is an achievable task with a useful end result that'll teach you a ton along the way. Then you'll realize that you really can do anything: VPN, email, calendar, chat, mailing lists, forums, media servers, game servers, anything you've ever seen online becomes within reach because you have total control.

My career basically started from cringe GeoCities sites as a teen and I fell into it by accident, despite always being interested in websites. Then I looked up the job itself, the salary vs. education required, the current demand and future prospects, the work-life balance and overall job satisfaction, and it seemed more like a viable career path that I still enjoy doing in my spare time. Not to mention, computer skills are desirable in pretty much any professional field.

More than anything else, I like finding websites were it's obvious the owner is having fun. With the code, with the content, whatever. Seeing the kind of self-absorbed navel-gazing fuckwittery so many there use as a substitute makes me terribly sad.
Same here, the sheer amount of uninspired trash on the internet is a buzzkill. I've had the privilege to work for an innovative company with lots of soul, and like to think the same of my side project, but most of the paid work is for people with such groundbreaking ideas as starting yet another CRM or social network. What else can I do but work for a wage and continue learning as I draw inspiration from whatever cool concepts, technologies, and design elements I see executed well online? Even in another field, that knowledge and curiosity will serve me well, and nobody can take it away.

Full disclosure: I've been on Hetzner for several years and could get you a referral link worth $20 or about 4 months on a cheap VPS. There may be better options for some applications, e.g., using it as a VPN to access 4chan is pointless. People also claim that hosting email servers there got their domains blacklisted for spam, but this hasn't been my experience. There's also such a ridiculous amount of options that I can't compare them all. Null's Tier List for Internet Services right here on the Farms is another great source of recommendations, since the poor guy's essentially had to build his own internet because some people dislike a gossip forum.
 
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Doing a little experiment to see how long it'd take to go from something legitimately cool to absolute degeneracy.

The starting point is TextureTown, a standard collection of ugly backgrounds with a unique execution. Similar to 3Quarks except really loud and nothing tiles correctly. The first stop is the Playroom, an interesting curio. It's quickly revealed that the owner, Melon, is an Irish nerd with ostensibly noble intentions. He runs a forum with about 1,000 members and a wiki about nothing, but nothing too weird. Melon's known to the thread.

But wait, what's that he linked? It's the 32-Bit Cafe, which is also known to the thread. I can't be arsed to rehash the autism, I just want some nitrous oxide. The weird thing is that no matter where you start out, all roads seem to lead to the same handful of groomers. Some more low effort guestbook digging goes from bacteria.icuOcean Floor HotelSpaceHey, an odd MySpace clone run by Alisia Röhm from her mother's basement in the exurbs of Stuttgart. The programmer is Anton Röhm.

I'm not alleging that any one of these individuals is responsible for anything in particular, but that there's an odd space between where COPPA ends and TikTok begins that's rife for the unmoderated exploitation of minors, as if TikTok itself weren't bad enough. Maybe I'm just older and a functional adult, but there seems to be more sinister undertones today vs. the GeoCities experiments back in the day. I can't remember anyone ever contacting me on GeoCities, and I'm legitimately thankful that all my old usernames and domains are effectively lost today.

The same can't be said for today's teens. Neocities is designed to be archived forever if the creator runs out of money or gets bored, and that's sad. I'd pay actual money if Kyle Drake would exclude the domain from the Internet Archive, prohibit all web crawlers, and implement a feature to delete everything on demand. Also, to use a real search engine, but that's my personal gripe, having written many faceted search interfaces before.

At this point, we might as well have a game similar to the Hitler game on Wikipedia: go to any random page and see how few links you can click to reach sadgrl.online.
 
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You grossly overestimate the average normie's capacity to do anything online. I myself started with Neocities over a more sensible option like VPS because I didn't know what a VPS was. Not only did I not know what VPSs were, I didn't know they existed. I didn't know the difference between SSD or HDD storage, the difference between a back-end or a front end, or how to parse the incredible array of options provided to me by real hosting sites. Most people are not only never taught this, they are never taught how to learn it, either. With the rise walled-garden apps and an internet that relies on customer ignorance to scrape the most out of their wallets, I really don't think this issue is going to get better any time soon.

Neocities, pozzed as it is, provides a straightforward, normie-friendly, easy to understand way of getting started with web-hosting. While this does open the way for a stunning array of autism, it also allows ordinary people, the kind who want a website but have no foundation for learning, to get their start. I honestly think the basic idea is solid, and that it's a pity that Neocities has effectively no competitors in the modern era. There's this empty place between "Real webdev" and "Hobby-blogger" that a lot of people don't realize they miss.
Oh agreed. And this is something that’s really fallen by the wayside in the modern internet, where it seems like everyone either has a degree in web development, or knows nothing beyond social media platforms.

Geocities, Angelfire, Tripod, and other free hosts used to be the basic entry-level tier of having your own website: You signed up for free, you got so much space, and you were assigned a URL. Have fun learning HTML.

The step up from that back in the day (and what I still use) was that you sign up for a paid website host (I use Hostgator) and bought a domain name (Namecheap is one), and if they're through different services, you direct the nameservers for the domain to the one your host specifies. If you're not technical and all you want to do is host a little static website on your own terms, this is an infinitely simpler option than what I typically see suggested. You don't have to care about the specs of a VPS, you don't have to buy a server, you don't have to know anything about Linux. It was easy enough that a bunch of teenagers at the turn of the millenium could handle it.
 
I wanted to try out Grundo's Cafe, but if its infested by troons then I guess I may hold on and see what happens. I would totally take a referal code from any one that has one though. I just want to re experience Neopets how it used to be.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was. According to the rules you can't mention JK Rowling or Harry Potter on the site. Merely mentioning Rowling is enough to make most troons start squealing and fuming in anger.

I fucking hate the "webcore" aesthetic as it's known as. I browsed many a geocities site when I was a kid thanks to being part of the Petz fandom and none of them looked like the ones troons and tumblrtards parade around. It says a lot that married women with kids in their mid 30s could make more cohesive, functioning webpages than tech-savvy millenials and zoomers.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it was. According to the rules you can't mention JK Rowling or Harry Potter on the site. Merely mentioning Rowling is enough to make most troons start squealing and fuming in anger.
I really don't mind rules that discourage controversial topics if the devs don't want constant flamewars to deal with. Especially when there could be kids around. It is a slippery slope because people can leverage it to go beyond the political shit like in that case.
I fucking hate the "webcore" aesthetic as it's known as. I browsed many a geocities site when I was a kid thanks to being part of the Petz fandom and none of them looked like the ones troons and tumblrtards parade around. It says a lot that married women with kids in their mid 30s could make more cohesive, functioning webpages than tech-savvy millenials and zoomers.
It's because it's so forced. I say the same thing about modern games that try to do a retro aesthetic, it always comes off as trying to mimic the real thing. Back when people used those "aesthetics", it was because they had no choice because of the limitations of the time. The people that made the best webpages probably were teenagers or moms that checked out a book about HTML from the library. People didn't have the creative liberty to use all the fancy tools and most of the copycats are just copying the main attributes that give it the look, without knowing the reason behind why they were the way they were.
 
I fucking hate the "webcore" aesthetic as it's known as. I browsed many a geocities site when I was a kid thanks to being part of the Petz fandom and none of them looked like the ones troons and tumblrtards parade around. It says a lot that married women with kids in their mid 30s could make more cohesive, functioning webpages than tech-savvy millenials and zoomers.
Before 2016, Neocities was a pretty chilled out place to host a small personal website and it was primarily populated by autistic millenials and people who just wanted somewhere to learn HTML and maybe show off what they managed to put together. Most sites on NC weren't weird faux-Geocities sites, weirdly enough. Most of them were weird art sites, little project pages, a shit load of tranime fanpages like fauux (strobing lights), and a small handful of oldschool style personal websites that were actually pretty authentic looking and not just low-effort garbage.

The issue started around 2017 or 2018 when the site got flooded by underage retards. Zoomers idea of what the 90's and 00's Internet was is so warped by modern social media, and a complete lack of context for what Geocities, Angelfire and Tripod really were, so their efforts to emulate it turn into this weird sort caricature that seems to be inspired by Tumblr aesthetics and the worst possible examples of personal websites from the 90's. I don't know what happened to cause this exactly, but my personal theory is that it has a lot to do with one specific website that exploded in popularity on Tumblr around 2017 or so called CameronsWorld, which was supposed to be a sort of collage/artpiece of old Geocities gifs as a tribute to the old Internet and not an example of your average website from back in the day. Zoomies seem to have completely missed this point and not read the blurb at the bottom of the page, taken it at face value and assumed that every Geocities webpage was a censory-overload of gifs, sounds, colours, etc.

In short? "Webcore" is the web development equivalent of blackface. :null:
 
Does anyone know any websites on here that are borderline schizophrenic? I really want to see if there is any rabbithole I can get into.
I have ran into a couple by looking at the newest and updated pages, but I didn't bookmark them. They're rare little gems that get buried beneath the teenage gender stuff and are generally impossible to find otherwise because they don't tag their site in the neocities search engine. They also aren't obvious until you click on them, like many sites of old like Time Cube.
 
I will tell you the ultimate joke in all of this:

Yesterweb, wanted to make a "revolution" out of a thing that was basically about people emulating Sailor Moon shrines from 2001. I mean... what the actual fuck. How delusional you need to be.
 
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