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It's nintendo's fault blacks are portrayed as thieves, woke people openly and loudly campaigning for years that black people should be allowed to steal stuff and nobody should call the cops has absolutely nothing to do with it
 
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So do they want 50cent or something I can't think of any other black people in videogames
 
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qwertykage said:
So outside of Twintelle from ARMS has anyone made any real arguments for a black video game character than could have been subbed for any of the other VASTLY MORE POPULAR/ICONIC or the very least Nintendo owned characters in the pass? I can't speak for the popularity of the Xenoblade characters and I understand that the last couple of Fire Emblem characters were pushed on Sakurai by Nintendo.
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The more famous Black video game characters are by and large all American (TWD's Clementine, OW's Doomfist, Apex Legend's Lifeline, MK's Jax, Half-Life's Aylx, etc.)

Smash has a grand total of 0 American fighters and 2 European fighters. So unless Nintendo of Japan starts adding American characters the chance of a Black character in Smash is slim to none.

Though I will say replacing one of the crap FE clones with Doc Louis or Mike Tyson from Punch Out would have been funny.
 
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King_Boo_Official said:
Just so we're clear, the same people wanting "unambiguously black characters" in Smash were the ones shitting their pants over that one guy from Final Fantasy 7, right? I mean, he was pretty "unambiguously black".
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See, that's actually a REALLY good point. I keep wondering how many studios don't add a black character to their game because they're afraid of the impossibly high standards they'd be held to. Doing a black character wrong is probably scarier than not having a black character at all.

And to be fair, FF7 Remake's Barrett does look kinda white, due to the Japanese artists' lack of experience in making black characters. But how do they fix that? Oversized lips? A wide nose? A thicker, more primitive brow? Sounds like stereotypes, right? I wouldn't be surprised if Square Enix were afraid too.

Ironically if these people stopped terrorizing developers, they might actually start to get black characters they liked.

qwertykage said:
So outside of Twintelle from ARMS has anyone made any real arguments for a black video game character than could have been subbed for any of the other VASTLY MORE POPULAR/ICONIC or the very least Nintendo owned characters in the pass? I can't speak for the popularity of the Xenoblade characters and I understand that the last couple of Fire Emblem characters were pushed on Sakurai by Nintendo.
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To the people on Resetera this is just solid evidence that the lack of notable black video game characters is an industry-wide problem and that there should be a larger pool of black characters to draw from in general. And if you don't think much about it, there's a certain logic there.

But it isn't true when you look at the big picture. There ARE black characters in the video game industry. They're not as numerous as the white or "ambiguously Japanese" characters, but they exist and there's even good ones. And while the game industry can decide whether or not black characters get to exist, they have no control over which ones get popular. If the black lady from the game Sunset didn't get popular and become iconic, that isn't Nintendo's fault.

I really like the Demoman from TF2. But putting him into Smash Bros. in lieu of more iconic characters from that same game would have been weird. For Resetera to get their black Smash Bros. character, the character doesn't just need to be black, but good, and eventually iconic. But most of today's crop of progressive developers don't know how to make a good character. They think making them black makes them good.
 
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SpaceCow said:
See, that's actually a REALLY good point. I keep wondering how many studios don't add a black character to their game because they're afraid of the impossibly high standards they'd be held to. Doing a black character wrong is probably scarier than not having a black character at all.

And to be fair, FF7 Remake's Barrett does look kinda white, due to the Japanese artists' lack of experience in making black characters. But how do they fix that? Oversized lips? A wide nose? A thicker, more primitive brow? Sounds like stereotypes, right? I wouldn't be surprised if Square Enix were afraid too.

Ironically if these people stopped terrorizing developers, they might actually start to get black characters they liked.



To the people on Resetera this is just solid evidence that the lack of notable black video game characters is an industry-wide problem and that there should be a larger pool of black characters to draw from in general. And if you don't think much about it, there's a certain logic there.

But it isn't true when you look at the big picture. There ARE black characters in the video game industry. They're not as numerous as the white or "ambiguously Japanese" characters, but they exist and there's even good ones. And while the game industry can decide whether or not black characters get to exist, they have no control over which ones get popular. If the black lady from the game Sunset didn't get popular and become iconic, that isn't Nintendo's fault.

I really like the Demoman from TF2. But putting him into Smash Bros. in lieu of more iconic characters from that same game would have been weird. For Resetera to get their black Smash Bros. character, the character doesn't just need to be black, but good, and eventually iconic. But most of today's crop of progressive developers don't know how to make a good character. They think making them black makes them good.
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I really don't see how Barret in the remake looks "white", considering that "white" technically isn't even a race. "Blackness" and "black features" are on a spectrum, and lighter skin than in the original is due to several reasons including more complex lighting. Barret in both the original and remake is clearly black, if you have functioning eyes. The "whitewashing" accusations were essentially a false flag.
 
Reflections On The Screen said:
The more famous Black video game characters are by and large all American (TWD's Clementine, OW's Doomfist, Apex Legend's Lifeline, MK's Jax, Half-Life's Aylx, etc.)

Smash has a grand total of 0 American fighters and 2 European fighters. So unless Nintendo of Japan starts adding American characters the chance of a Black character in Smash is slim to none.

Though I will say replacing one of the crap FE clones with Doc Louis or Mike Tyson from Punch Out would have been funny.
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There is actually 1 American character and it’s black
dark samus
 
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Reflections On The Screen said:
The more famous Black video game characters are by and large all American (TWD's Clementine, OW's Doomfist, Apex Legend's Lifeline, MK's Jax, Half-Life's Aylx, etc.)

Smash has a grand total of 0 American fighters and 2 European fighters. So unless Nintendo of Japan starts adding American characters the chance of a Black character in Smash is slim to none.

Though I will say replacing one of the crap FE clones with Doc Louis or Mike Tyson from Punch Out would have been funny.
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Actually, Dark Samus is American, so there's one.

Also, there are four European because it's Diddy Kong, King K. Rool, Banjo-Kazooie and Steve from Minecraft.

Not that it makes any difference, really.
 
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Reflections On The Screen said:
Smash has a grand total of 0 American fighters and 2 European fighters. So unless Nintendo of Japan starts adding American characters the chance of a Black character in Smash is slim to none.
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Are you talking about the actual character's canonical origin, or the country of the character's creators? There are a fair number of American Smash characters, I would think. If you're talking about the country that originated the characters, then there should be far more European fighters. The Starfox characters were originated by Argonaut Software, a UK developer.

Having Clementine from The Walking Dead as a character would actually be pretty cool since it's kind of an unsuspected off-the-wall choice.
 
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Mario and Luigi are clearly supposed to be New Yorkers (and this is where non-game media like the cartoons put them) and Fire Emblem is some European fantasy pastiche. There’s a good amount of Western-inspired characters in Smash.
 
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Metropolitan said:
Are you talking about the actual character's canonical origin, or the country of the character's creators? There are a fair number of American Smash characters, I would think. If you're talking about the country that originated the characters, then there should be far more European fighters. The Starfox characters were originated by Argonaut Software, a UK developer.

Having Clementine from The Walking Dead as a character would actually be pretty cool since it's kind of an unsuspected off-the-wall choice.
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Country of the character's creators. Argonaut Software only did the programming for Star Fox, character designs were done in-house at Nintendo.
 
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