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Resetera is mad at bernie again even though hes one of like 2 progressives in american politics

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This mod is too retarded to make coherent posts and gets asked to clarify, immediately chimps out

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Bullet Club said:
A bit more from the Bernie thread.

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They can't even like Bernie anymore? Come on man.
Bernie-level democratic socialist politics is already a pipe dream in America, you'd think one could appreciate him being their one big guy on the national stage who really does move the conversational needle towards them in a policy direction.
At least the similarly hopelessly disenfranchised libertarian types can appreciate Ron Paul even though many disagree with him liking CSPAN and PBS and shit.
Political fringes try not to purity test themselves out of their own small percent fanbase challenge: impossible.
 
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DQ 8 one of the weaker games in the franchise and Abyss being worse than Symphonia are some crazy fucking takes, but every other point he makes else isn't out of the ordinary. However, I think we have so much brainrot from ragebaiting and overreaction, not to mention a misguided overvaluing of our opinions, that he framed this thing all wrong. Of course the PS2 was great for JRPGs, but there IS an argument to be made that it wasn't as good as the PS1 or SNES, the two generations that came before it. Considering that the PS360 was absolutely atrocious for JRPGs and that the genre only really started picking up steam again around 2017, I dunno, maybe the japs just were not sure on how to push it forward?
 
Beardfish said:
DQ 8 one of the weaker games in the franchise and Abyss being worse than Symphonia are some crazy fucking takes, but every other point he makes else isn't out of the ordinary. However, I think we have so much brainrot from ragebaiting and overreaction, not to mention a misguided overvaluing of our opinions, that he framed this thing all wrong. Of course the PS2 was great for JRPGs, but there IS an argument to be made that it wasn't as good as the PS1 or SNES, the two generations that came before it. Considering that the PS360 was absolutely atrocious for JRPGs and that the genre only really started picking up steam again around 2017, I dunno, maybe the japs just were not sure on how to push it forward?
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The SNES was not that good for JRPGs outside of Japan.

Of the relative few that came to the west, most had bad translations, cut content and changes to the balance that ruined some games utterly, like 7th Saga.
 
Beardfish said:
DQ 8 one of the weaker games in the franchise and Abyss being worse than Symphonia are some crazy fucking takes
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I 100% agree with these takes, I'd say DQ8 is the worst mainline game if there wasn't a fucking MMO and DQ11. Abyss is alright but Symphonia I've gone back to play again at least 4 times.

Beardfish said:
there IS an argument to be made that it wasn't as good as the PS1 or SNES
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PS1 was peak, PS2 still had a ton of really great JRPGs, but hey Grandia is better than Grandia 2, Xtreme, and 3 -- you could repeat this for 5 other RPG series.
 
Beardfish said:
DQ 8 one of the weaker games in the franchise and Abyss being worse than Symphonia are some crazy fucking takes, but every other point he makes else isn't out of the ordinary. However, I think we have so much brainrot from ragebaiting and overreaction, not to mention a misguided overvaluing of our opinions, that he framed this thing all wrong. Of course the PS2 was great for JRPGs, but there IS an argument to be made that it wasn't as good as the PS1 or SNES, the two generations that came before it. Considering that the PS360 was absolutely atrocious for JRPGs and that the genre only really started picking up steam again around 2017, I dunno, maybe the japs just were not sure on how to push it forward?
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PS1 is arguable for the best generation, we could list out literally dozens of extremely high quality jRPGs for the PS1 and PS2 and talk for days about it.

I don't think the SNES was nearly as comparable to the PS1 or 2 though, its not really in the running. SNES was very important for the evolution of the genre and FF6 is a top tier RPG, Chrono Trigger is very good, SMRPG is the RPG that really popularized them in the US, but theres barely any truly, 100% great ones after that. I can talk on and on about FF4 and Secret of Mana not being as good as people talk it up to be. This was also the era when japanese companies were conviced americans were grade A retards and could not understand the job system (even though US invented the RPG as a concept and there were dozens of far more complex western RPGs out at the time)

Just Squaresoft themselves made more top tier jRPGs in the span of a few years on the PS1 than all companies did for the SNES, especially those released in the US.
 
V-tuber and Resetera Fan said:
PS1 is arguable for the best generation, we could list out literally dozens of extremely high quality jRPGs for the PS1 and PS2 and talk for days about it.

I don't think the SNES was nearly as comparable to the PS1 or 2 though, its not really in the running. SNES was very important for the evolution of the genre and FF6 is a top tier RPG, Chrono Trigger is very good, SMRPG is the RPG that really popularized them in the US, but theres barely any truly, 100% great ones after that. I can talk on and on about FF4 and Secret of Mana not being as good as people talk it up to be. This was also the era when japanese companies were conviced americans were grade A retards and could not understand the job system (even though US invented the RPG as a concept and there were dozens of far more complex western RPGs out at the time)

Just Squaresoft themselves made more top tier jRPGs in the span of a few years on the PS1 than all companies did for the SNES, especially those released in the US.
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Half the issue with the job system Final Fantasies not being localized back then was the sheer amount of text being too much. Fan translators had some big challenges and a LOT of hacking that would have been too expensive and time-consuming for the sales numbers in North America to justify.

Even some NES JRPGs had compressed text, and Japanese text takes less space than English. Almost all the SNES JRPGs with butchered translations were partially caused by lack of space, and most of the ones we never got would have had to ship on larger carts even with compressed text. The price of Final Fantasy III was mainly due to what Nintendo gouged licensees for cartridge space.
 
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V-tuber and Resetera Fan said:
PS1 is arguable for the best generation, we could list out literally dozens of extremely high quality jRPGs for the PS1 and PS2 and talk for days about it.

I don't think the SNES was nearly as comparable to the PS1 or 2 though, its not really in the running. SNES was very important for the evolution of the genre and FF6 is a top tier RPG, Chrono Trigger is very good, SMRPG is the RPG that really popularized them in the US, but theres barely any truly, 100% great ones after that. I can talk on and on about FF4 and Secret of Mana not being as good as people talk it up to be. This was also the era when japanese companies were conviced americans were grade A retards and could not understand the job system (even though US invented the RPG as a concept and there were dozens of far more complex western RPGs out at the time)

Just Squaresoft themselves made more top tier jRPGs in the span of a few years on the PS1 than all companies did for the SNES, especially those released in the US.
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To be fair, and also answering the other guy who talked about the SNES translation issues, I'm also including jap SNES games that got fan translations and also games like BOF1-2 that got actual good translations by fans. I really don't like to LIST WARS on shit, but there is a FUCKLOAD of really good SNES JRPGs once you consider the fan translations.

Also, saying there's barely any 100% great ones outside of those listed and those listed don't include Earthbound, Lufia 2 or Terranigma is nasty work.
 
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