NeoGAF & ResetERA - The Hilarious N̶e̶v̶e̶r̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ Splintering "Gaming" Forum Circus

[JuanLee]

Era is going to burn to the ground during the primaries. It's going to be amazing.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

They're trying to limit all primaries discussion into a Democratic Primaries 2020 OT currently, which at least to me indicates they realize just how much of a problem this is going to be. But they aren't going to be able to control it as the only person they all seem to agree upon is AOC who can't run.

Bernie especially will be a problem. Just look at the fight happening in a thread about how Bernie called Trump racist today: https://www.resetera.com/threads/bernie-calls-trump-a-racist-in-mlk-speech.94938/

Some of them are thanking AOC for getting Bernie to finally stop supporting Trump and white supremacy for some reason. (Also the cool kids thing is referring to him as "Benard" now apparently.)

The Kamala Harris thread a few weeks ago which leaked her announcement had a fight between the "no cops" and "but she's a good cop, as she is black woman" camps already. A bunch of them have written off Elizabeth Warren because of the native american thing. They can't decide on Beto yet. Booker is a race traitor already. Gillibrand went from evil to hero after just a couple speeches. And now Franken was properly removed for being a sexual predator instead of it being a right-wing hit job.

And there's probably at least ten more candidates to get into this thing. And since none of them actually care about policy differences it'll be stupid fights over reasons like this and stuff like "well, they said they oppose racism, but listed it after saying they oppose poverty!" Some people in the PoliERA thread were fan fictioning out debates between Kamala and Trump, which is something I saw back in 2012 on conservative forums where people supported Newt for purely that reason lol

I can't wait until the debates start and we get the same idiotic bloodsports as the GOP in 2015 only turned up to eleven as everyone tries to be and yet also not be the D-Trump shitting on the debates and media as they participate.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Double posting from the TDS thread.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

that primary OT is basically everybody slowly crossing off candidates one by one
https://www.resetera.com/threads/20...r-religious-cults-isnt-it.91234/post-17092148

Man, if his trade policy positions didn't already cancel [Sherrod Brown] with me, this would've done it all over again

"The Democratic Party: Filled with Genocidal Maniacs" might need more focus grouping before they roll it out as a slogan

 

[Judge Dredd]

For people so opinionated about politics, they don't seem to know how to do politics.

"Oh, this canditate supports 100% of my opinions, and has the skill and fortitude to get the job done? Not voting for them because they like pineapple on pizza."

Listing Warren as "too policy driven" is baffling. Isn't that what you want in a politician? It's even in the name. Do they refuse to hire plumbers because they're too focused on fixing water pipes? If you want inspiration, watch some motivational videos on YouTube.

 

[GethN7]

For people so opinionated about politics, they don't seem to know how to do politics.

"Oh, this canditate supports 100% of my opinions, and has the skill and fortitude to get the job done? Not voting for them because they like pineapple on pizza."

Listing Warren as "too policy driven" is baffling. Isn't that what you want in a politician? It's even in the name. Do they refuse to hire plumbers because they're too focused on fixing water pipes? If you want inspiration, watch some motivational videos on YouTube.

The problem is that when you get down to it, all they know is their emotions, not realpolitik.

All they know is that politically some things they like and some things they don't. They are so averse to what they don't like they don't realize that sometimes you have to swallow your personal disgust with certain politicians to get the things you DO want to happen.

For instance, if you despise Trump personally but want someone to crack down hard on immigration, you may just have to swallow your bile and support the walking cheeto if immigration reform is that important to you.

Unfortunately, we are talking about a forum for champagne communist wannabes who are so obsessed with their personal feels that even if they found the PERFECT champagne commie candidate, they still find some insignificant gripe and want to discard them entirely because it sets their tism off.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

You can tell that the average Reetard doesn’t have much in terms of real life responsibility because being an adult is learning how to manage expectations and deal with people who aren’t lockstep with your views, work ethic, etc. just a bunch of crybabies who are “that guy” all their coworkers avoid, if they’re even able to hold down a job.

 

[Next Task]

All they know is that politically some things they like and some things they don't. They are so averse to what they don't like they don't realize that sometimes you have to swallow your personal disgust with certain politicians to get the things you DO want to happen.

My impression is that the 'right' have way more single-issue voters than the 'left', and most of these SJWs just can't fathom the idea that they might have to choose the lesser of evils. They don't want to ever compromise, ever, and they get angry at the people who do. So they'll like one candidate religiously - until they do one thing they disagree with, and then they're forever tainted.

Add in the way that they can't ever agree on which issue to prioritise, and you get the current mess. ResetEra is going to spend so much time in the circular firing squad in the next two years, and you'll still get people wanting to argue Bernie vs. Hillary in there.

 

[NotAWeeb]

"When my dad told me that I can't just sit at home while browsing Resetera and playing video games my whole life instead of getting a job, I just told him not being a worthless sack of shit contributing nothing to society, or even my own household was actually propaganda by Republicans and Christians. I think what I said was so smart that he didn't know how to react."

 

[Dante Alighieri]

"When my dad told me that I can't just sit at home while browsing Resetera and playing video games my whole life instead of getting a job, I just told him not being a worthless sack of shit contributing nothing to society, or even my own household was actually propaganda by Republicans and Christians. I think what I said was so smart that he didn't know how to react."

It sounds like a good idea but when it meets reality it fails every time.

 

[Foltest]

If UBI and socialism are such a good idea, why doesn't every country on earth have it?

 

[Sissy Galvez]

If people don’t need to work then who funds UBI? The middle class drives the economy through consumption and no one is buying a $1k iPhone or 65” LED TV on UBI. Society would collapse if no one worked and the government gave out free money.

UBI is as stupid as libertarian’s “the free market will provide” only instead of the free market it’s the government and where that money comes from is nobody’s clue. That idiot thinks UBI is like his allowance for keeping his room clean.

 

[Slap47]

"When my dad told me that I can't just sit at home while browsing Resetera and playing video games my whole life instead of getting a job, I just told him not being a worthless sack of shit contributing nothing to society, or even my own household was actually propaganda by Republicans and Christians. I think what I said was so smart that he didn't know how to react."

UBI is a good idea simply because it cuts down on bureaucracy.

Shame that most broke-ass NEETs can't accept that they're just lazy instead of making some kind of political statement. Ironically, UBI would likely lead to them getting less money because they wouldn't have a dozen programs to tap into and exploit.

 

[Munchingonfish]

https://archive.ph/Kaa0a
Yikes. Can't believe the mods let such misogynistic content go unpunished. No wonder so many women and minorities no longer feel safe on Resetera.

 

[Beardfish]

My impression is that the 'right' have way more single-issue voters than the 'left', and most of these SJWs just can't fathom the idea that they might have to choose the lesser of evils. They don't want to ever compromise, ever, and they get angry at the people who do. So they'll like one candidate religiously - until they do one thing they disagree with, and then they're forever tainted.

This part is so true. A couple I know were once telling me a story about a meeting they had with the local lefty party. I live in a small town in a small state where basically everyone is right wing, so there were like 5 people at the place. They could find a consensus on a single thing, they couldn't come together and it led to some infighting. Keep in mind, small city with no left leaning crowd so they knew that their efforts there were mostly futile. And yet they couldn't make a decision as a group that left all of them satisfied. Everyone wanted something different on the smallest fucking things.

And this couple were telling the story not as something outrageous, but in a matter-of-fact way. They can't find a middle ground and honestly I believe that is an alien concept to some of them. If you're not 100% with me, you're against me. It's probably why these faggots seem to like dictatorships so much, it's the only way they can get shit done.

 

[Next Task]

And yet they couldn't make a decision as a group that left all of them satisfied. Everyone wanted something different on the smallest fucking things.

It's what makes all these protests and activists groups fall apart. Occupy Wall Street is the most demonstrable example, but there's not allowed to be one clear, coherent message - everyone has to be specifically and actively heard or they're being silenced, oppressed, erased. You can't just have an LGBT flag, it has to also extra-represent gay people of colour, or troons, or they all need their own flags so they can send their own message. You can't just protest climate change, you also have to listen to the people who are advocating violent revolution to overthrow capitalist society. They just have to be a special snowflake, because they can't be part of the group. It's like several of the Geek Fallacies put into politics.

I remember a quote from a woman saying that you should never try and order pizza in a feminist collective, because you'll never get consensus on what to get. That this is just expected practice rather than something to regard as a failing, or to push back on, is one of the biggest problems on the left, especially as it gives individual crazies way too much power with the heckler's veto.

 

[Tanner Glass]

It's what makes all these protests and activists groups fall apart. Occupy Wall Street is the most demonstrable example, but there's not allowed to be one clear, coherent message - everyone has to be specifically and actively heard or they're being silenced, oppressed, erased. You can't just have an LGBT flag, it has to also extra-represent gay people of colour, or troons, or they all need their own flags so they can send their own message. You can't just protest climate change, you also have to listen to the people who are advocating violent revolution to overthrow capitalist society. They just have to be a special snowflake, because they can't be part of the group. It's like several of the Geek Fallacies put into politics.

I remember a quote from a woman saying that you should never try and order pizza in a feminist collective, because you'll never get consensus on what to get. That this is just expected practice rather than something to regard as a failing, or to push back on, is one of the biggest problems on the left, especially as it gives individual crazies way too much power with the heckler's veto.

Also leftist demonstration groups strongly dislike white men and would never let them lead, however in an ironic twist of fate most good leaders of demonstrations (and a lot of other groups) are white men. Occupy Wall Street at it's start was a real coherent protest until the "Progressive Stack" took over.

On day 1 you would ask who is in charge and you'd be speaking to a well informed white male (who was also a banker) who could clearly and concisely explain the issue they were protesting and keep everyone focused and on task.

On day 60 you would ask who is in charge, get no answer, etc, etc until your movement/protest is being represented on national television by a person who is named "Ketchup".

 

[AirdropShitposts]

down twinkles

This is when I knew Occupy Wall Street was officially over: https://www.thenation.com/article/audacity-occupy-wall-street/

A few years ago, Joe Therrien, a graduate of the NYC Teaching Fellows program, was working as a full-time drama teacher at a public elementary school in New York City. Frustrated by huge class sizes, sparse resources and a disorganized bureaucracy, he set off to the University of Connecticut to get an MFA in his passion—puppetry. Three years and $35,000 in student loans later, he emerged with degree in hand, and because puppeteers aren’t exactly in high demand, he went looking for work at his old school. The intervening years had been brutal to the city’s school budgets—down about 14 percent on average since 2007. A virtual hiring freeze has been in place since 2009 in most subject areas, arts included, and spending on art supplies in elementary schools crashed by 73 percent between 2006 and 2009. So even though Joe’s old principal was excited to have him back, she just couldn’t afford to hire a new full-time teacher. Instead, he’s working at his old school as a full-time “substitute”; he writes his own curriculum, holds regular classes and does everything a normal teacher does. “But sub pay is about 50 percent of a full-time salaried position,” he says, “so I’m working for half as much as I did four years ago, before grad school, and I don’t have health insurance…. It’s the best-paying job I could find.”

Like a lot of the young protesters who have flocked to Occupy Wall Street, Joe had thought that hard work and education would bring, if not class mobility, at least a measure of security (indeed, a master’s degree can boost a New York City teacher’s salary by $10,000 or more). But the past decade of stagnant wages for the 99 percent and million-dollar bonuses for the 1 percent has awakened the kids of the middle class to a national nightmare: the dream that coaxed their parents to meet the demands of work, school, mortgage payments and tuition bills is shattered. Down is the new up.

But then in these grim times, something unexpected happened: at first scores met in parks around New York City this summer to plan an occupation of Wall Street, then hundreds responded to their call, then thousands from persuasions familiar and astonishing, and now more than 100 cities around the country are Occupied. In the face of unchecked capitalism and a broken, captured state, the citizens of Occupy America have done something desperate and audacious—they put their faith and hope in the last seemingly credible force left in the world: each other.

Sometime during the second week of the Occupation, Joe took that leap. Within his first hour at Liberty Park, he was “totally won over by the Occupation’s spirit of cooperation and selflessness.” He has been going back just about every day since.

At one of Arts and Culture’s meetings—held adjacent to 60 Wall Street, at a quieter public-private indoor park that’s also the atrium of Deutsche Bank—it dawned on Joe: “I have to build as many giant puppets as I can to help this thing out—people love puppets!”

Actually, what was kinda cool about this story, is that I looked this guy up years later when a "whatever happened to Occupy?" story popped up and he immediately came to mind. Guy moved to like Maine or something, opened up an arts school for rich liberal parents to send their kids to and was actually doing pretty decently and had just started his own play troupe that at the time seemed to be doing well also. Though he had seemed to have completely dropped any semblance of the notion that people love puppets as his school didn't even offer classes in it.

There's a story out there that I can seem to find with a simple Google search so it might be gone or whatever, but it described some random group trying to organize its progressive stack, and it took like three hours to organize the stack for what was supposed to be a 20 minute meeting. I want to say they decided to break into smaller groups and report back or something because it was never going to work lol

 

[Safir]

If people don’t need to work then who funds UBI? The middle class drives the economy through consumption and no one is buying a $1k iPhone or 65” LED TV on UBI. Society would collapse if no one worked and the government gave out free money.

UBI is as stupid as libertarian’s “the free market will provide” only instead of the free market it’s the government and where that money comes from is nobody’s clue. That idiot thinks UBI is like his allowance for keeping his room clean.

UBI works because it provides the bare minimum and people won't be satisfied with the bare minimum. It provides leverage to employees in labor negotiations, so you can just say "fuck it, I'm out" and won't have your children sleeping in the car because you refused to wax Jonathan Yaniv's balls. This drives up wages, including those of the middle class, and improves mental health. UBI also keeps people fed while they're going through vocational training and is a better way of supporting the arts than targeted government grants to entrenched grifters.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

UBI works because it provides the bare minimum and people won't be satisfied with the bare minimum.

All the evidence I've seen says "UBI does not work". Do you have any evidence that it works, or is this just theorycrafting?