Nerddom Annoyances and Stupidity

[skykiii]

Spoiler: Original opening paragraphs of topic

I brought this up in the MLP topic but kinda figured its worth wider discussion because I'm miserable and just want to watch the world burn is that so wrong?

[takes meds]

Anyway, so to repeat what I said there:

Isn't it interesting that for some reason MLP is cringe, but for some reason Kirby and Pokemon are not? Why? Because they're "masculine?" The little pink blob that makes baby noises and stars in games with names like "Squeak Squad"?

This isn't me trying to glaze the MLP fandom, either--for me both media are examples of "I liked them early on but now I'd rather avoid them, though sometimes I glance in out of nostalgia." That's exactly it though: substantively I don't see an appreciable difference.

To be fair, most people in both the Kirby and MLP threads said the actual media is fine, its the fanbase that's the problem. Tho even there I saw an issue--in the Kirby thread people were saying "ignore the fanbase" whereas with MLP the messaging was "the fans are why you should hate this thing."

From now on, no My Little Pony-related discussion.

At first I thought it was kind of funny, but after two pages people were seriously derailing this topic--which, remember, is supposed to be about discussing and documenting nerd double standards--and instead had a bunch of insecure Kirby or Pokemon fans explaining in Oh God No One Cares detail (which I already acknowledged in the OP before you fucktards ever posted) why they shouldn't be lopped in with Ponyfags.

There's already a My Little Pony thread. It's this one. And on page four is where I first mentioned the MLP/Kirby double-standard. If you want to justify why liking Kirby/Pokemon is okay but liking MLP is not, take it there.

...................

And if I'm honest, this ain't even the first time I've seen Nerd Double Standards.

"Casual games are bad--OMG the Atari 2600 rocks!"

"Games that deal with depression suck--man wasn't the scene where Celes nearly kills herself in Final Fantasy VI just peak feels?"

One of the funniest I ran into, was a youtube comment where a guy was lamenting how anime took over American television (you can tell this was a long time ago since nobody watches TV anymore) then was lamenting when we had home-grown American cartoons for our kids. Then he lists a bunch, and his list includes stuff like Voltron, Robotech, Transformers, Inspector Gadget.... do ya see the problem?

Anyway, I just wanted to sperg.

Any nerd double standards you ever noticed?

 

[UnknownUser]

Something being based or cringe is kinda like fine art vs porn, if you describe them both literally they sound the same, but we all know porn when we see it.

 

[The Evil Midnight Bomber]

Pokemon is just as cringe as MLP, maybe even more considering how much contempt Game Freak clearly has for its audience.

 

[skykiii]

Pokemon is just as cringe as MLP, maybe even more considering how much contempt Game Freak clearly has for its audience.

I'll say that, if you put a gun to my head and told me I had to watch 30 episodes of either MLP or Pokemon, but I get a choice of which show... I'm picking MLP.

I liked Pokemon at first but for me it was a show that came out during my first weeb phase, a time when anime was hard to come by and generally expensive, so a lot of the appeal was just "oh I get to watch anime on TV for free!" Nowadays, it is so hard to go back to and would be unbearable without the nostalgia goggles (for the same reason, I would never bother with the post-Advanced Battles seasons).

Watching it again today... it has the same problem a lot of merchandising anime has: the writing is the most low-effort, paint-by-numbers mind-numbing trash. I recall doing a topic about eighties cartoons where I pointed out that at least westerners put effort into their toy-based slop. Which is how I--someone who didn't watch Transformers as a kid--could enjoy it as an adult, but Random Super Robot Show #6549867 loses me within the first episode.

..... Actually, to re-rail (and consider this thread tax) that topic exemplified another nerd double-standard: "Anime good, cartoons bad."

I do think there is a palpable difference between anime and cartoons, but it doesn't necessarily translate to one being higher quality. It's mostly just favoritism. At the risk of being a bit of a hypocrite myself, I actually find these days its easier to notice the flaws of anime than it is to notice the flaws of western animation.

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

A guy liking MLP makes him a fag, yeah. Oh, but being an actual fag is okay, we don't want to be homophobic here.

 

[Whatevermancer]

Any nerd double standards you ever noticed?

I find it very ironic when "collectors" of anime figurines shit on Funko pops.

Funko pops are mass-produced plastic slop for soyboys, unlike my Nendoroids, cause... cause... cause they just are, okay?!

Nigga, I see literally no difference, at the end of the day you're both filling up your shelves with plastic crap that collects dust.

 

[skykiii]

I find it very ironic when "collectors" of anime figurines shit on Funko pops.

Nigga, I see literally no difference, at the end of the day you're both filling up your shelves with plastic crap that collects dust.

Oh hell yes, in this instance.

If I want a figurine, I want it to be something that approximates the actual source material. But Funkos and Nendroids are literally designed to be these abominations that only vaguely resemble the actual thing.


If I want a Witch Bandora figure, I'd get one that actually looks like the Witch Bandora, not this soulless black-eyed abomination that looks like a fucking demon alien come to swallow my soul.

THREAD TAX

On this note tho, I recall having an argument with my sister once. She was in this phase where she bought all this expensive novelty perfume, the kind with names like fantasy scents that cost like forty bucks a bottle.

Around this time I had managed to snag a secondhand copy of Castlevania Bloodlines, complete--and it was the variant that came in a CASE, not a box--for forty bucks.

My sister said "you spend too much on video games."

To which I replied "So how much have you spent on novelty perfume?"

 

[SleeplessEcho]

Thread answered in two sentences:

The fandom for MLP is extremely fucked up and consists majorly of grown-ass men who want to fuck child-ish looking horses, whereas,

The fandom for Pokemon (or kirby? idk about that one) is mostly comprised of the kids (now grown-ups?) who played the OG games when they came out (or watched the original anime runs (outing myself as an oldfag here)). For the most part they're definitely saner, and it's healthy-ish childhood memories and nostalgia.

Sure there are fucked-up spergs with disturbing tendencies in each camp, but it's a matter of proportion. One is radioactive and immediately taints you by association, the other doesn't really raise eyebrows until you tard out and mention you have a vaporeon figurine in a glass jar.

The actual subject-matter of the series matters little, I'm sure MLP is perfectly adequate for little kids. But it's not little kids watching it, and that's what makes it cancerous.

 

[Safir]

The fandom for MLP is extremely fucked up and consists majorly of grown-ass men who want to fuck child-ish looking horses, whereas,

The fandom for Pokemon (or kirby? idk about that one) is mostly comprised of the kids (now grown-ups?) who played the OG games when they came out (or watched the original anime runs (outing myself as an oldfag here)). For the most part they're definitely saner, and it's healthy-ish childhood memories and nostalgia.

^ exactly.

MLP fandom is grown-up men who SUDDENLY developed an interest in fucking cartoon horses from a cartoon for female babies.

Most other fandoms, while shamefur, consist of man- and womanchildren who maintain their interest in children's media from their childhoods, when it was age-appropriate. If some of them want to fuck the characters, it's because they were still playing the games when they got their first hardons.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

because I'm miserable and just want to watch the world burn is that so wrong?

[takes meds]

*holds up spork*

 

[Pomniman]

The short answer is you're a gay retard and these things don't actually appeal to the same audience despite both having a "cute" aesthetic or involving one or two similar plot elements/design choices.

 

[I'm Retarded?]

Isn't it interesting that for some reason MLP is cringe, but for some reason Kirby and Pokemon are not? Why? Because they're "masculine?" The little pink blob that makes baby noises and stars in games with names like "Squeak Squad"?

that's because Kirby and Pokemon - the games, that is - actually have some substance that can appeal to adults. the old Kirby's Dream Land games are pretty fun platformers and the Pokemon games are cozy little RPGs. they're not Hardcore Games For True Gamers by any means, but there's plenty of meat. MLP, on the other hand, is a brutally saccharine show made specifically for actual little girls. there was an old documentary movie that used to float around the internet - I think it was called something like Fifteen Minutes of Autism - which captures the sheer unfiltered horror of Bronycon during the peak brony era. it has a hilarious interview with one of the Hasbro staff (I think it was the actual show creator) nervously rattling off a bunch of cope about how the show's theme of friendship resonated with an unexpected audience, while a bunch of pallid cave mutants mill around in the background. the Pokemon fan community has its share of greasy autists to be sure, not to mention arrested-development kidults, but they're flotsam in an ocean of relative normalcy. there are literally no normal adult MLP fans.

 

[Megaton Punch]

The actual subject-matter of the series matters little

This describes all works. They are measured against how insane their fans are. I think Undertale is a legitimately great game, but I'd never admit it outside of an anonymous forum because "I like undertale" might as well be "I'm a transgender pedophile" in everyday use.

MLP's fanbase is one of the worst there is, therefore MLP is cringe. Simple.

 

[skykiii]

Thread answered in two sentences:

MLP fandom is

that's because

MLP's fanbase is

Man, I liked this topic better when people were listing and discussing nerddom double standards, not endlessly obsessing over one example from the OP.

What's worse is, "to be fair, I get it because the MLP fanbase is especially cringe" is something the OP already says, so you guys are just arguing something that's already been acknowledged.

It's like if I mention you hold down the B button to run in Super Mario Bros, and then I get five posts of people saying "hey, did you know you hold down B to run in Super Mario Bros?"

 

[Gay Vito]

It's OK when Nintendo does it.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

Pokemon and Kirby are marketed as all-ages, whereas MLP is marketed explicitly at preteen girls. I remember back in '12ish hearing all the stories of young girls having to deal with an influx of austistic adult men, often socially maladjusted if not outright creepy ones, whenever they tried to meet the show's creators.
That's the primary difference I'm seeing.

 

[I'm Retarded?]

It's like if I mention you hold down the B button to run in Super Mario Bros, and then I get five posts of people saying "hey, did you know you hold down B to run in Super Mario Bros?"

you can also press A to jump. took me hours to figure out man I thought my game was broken or something.

Man, I liked this topic better when people were listing and discussing nerddom double standards, not endlessly obsessing over one example from the OP.

What's worse is, "to be fair, I get it because the MLP fanbase is especially cringe" is something the OP already says, so you guys are just arguing something that's already been acknowledged.

that's actually the answer though. it's not that adult MLP fans are just more cringe than other fandoms, the MLP fandom is distinct in that - rather than being comprised of a wide variety of people, some of which are mentally ill - every adult MLP fan is mentally ill.

And if I'm honest, this ain't even the first time I've seen Nerd Double Standards.

"Casual games are bad--OMG the Atari 2600 rocks!"

"Games that deal with depression suck--man wasn't the scene where Celes nearly kills herself in Final Fantasy VI just peak feels?"

One of the funniest I ran into, was a youtube comment where a guy was lamenting how anime took over American television (you can tell this was a long time ago since nobody watches TV anymore) then was lamenting when we had home-grown American cartoons for our kids. Then he lists a bunch, and his list includes stuff like Voltron, Robotech, Transformers, Inspector Gadget.... do ya see the problem?

this shit is mostly just gay nostalgia. but to address the specific examples you listed: classic Atari games are very strictly limited by the technology of the time, and are largely masterclasses in doing something with almost nothing. many modern casual games, by contrast, can be literally anything and simply choose to be dog shit due to their creator's limited imagination and/or financial motivation. similarly, modern "depression games" are largely the product of annoying millennials putting on airs of dramatic struggle to solicit asspats, while Final Fantasy VI is, again, pushing hard against the limits of the medium in that era. FF6 is also a lot more than some retard's gay diorama about how hard their life is because of their chronic sadbrain. finally, the youtube comment guy is simply gay and retarded. he's doing the thing where he's constructing elaborate reasons why his favorite things are actually objectively better than everything else instead of just being his favorite things. and, because he's retarded, his constructed reasons are fucking stupid. QED.

 

[Basement Dwelling Dork]

It's OK when Nintendo does it.

That right there is 100% the reason why I fucking hate Nintendrones so god damn much. Nintendo can fuck customers in ten different ways and you try to point out how this affects consumer rights, they'll dog pile on you to defend their perfect multi-billionaire company. Whats worse is learning that Nintendo doesn't even treat their japanese customers any better too.

 

[fat_rat_on_the_grass]

Ok im gonna tell u somting about me life so buckle up
I was a horsegirl. Yes. I fucking thought horses were awesome (they are cunts actually who BITE) but when I was a kid, I had my little pony toys and watched the saddle club and read the books. Also liked pokemon and kirby as a kid. I never would expect my men peers to like my little pony or the saddle club except for maybe an effeminate best friend gay but i digress, my little pony was made and marketed toward girls, CHILDREN. I remember thinking oh cool they brought it back! and then seeing my little pony porn immediately and being horrified and hating bronies from that day forward for ruining shit for kids. When you see lewd shit posted in the comments on FACEBOOK for a show prievew you know there is an awful problem. When grown men will shove a child out the way for a mlp figurine at target, there is a problem. The mlp flock were complete degenerates and I look at anyone who was a brony with immediate suspicion.

Pokemon was also coopped by pornsick men too which is very sad because i loved rattata and ponyta. Having nostalgia overrun by porn and not being able to enjoy it or talk about it with people without them being freaks is horrible

Seen some terrifying kirby art too so im not sure what the fuck is going on with that fandom, all of these things ive sort of lost interest in, I still check in sometimes on pokemon but as an adult I just dont really pay them any mind. Its sort of just oh hey I remember that! and nothing more.

 

[The Secret Sauce]

Isn't it interesting that for some reason MLP is cringe, but for some reason Kirby and Pokemon are not?

Liking Kirby or Pokémon as an adult is, in fact, very cringe. Especially if you feel the need to advertise your love of children's toys to the world.