Netflix's The Witcher series

I like the monsters.
The monsters in this new season all look the same. They're all the same shade of dull grey, with the same sort of toothy mouths, just with slightly swapped parts (this one has bug legs, that one has fish fins). And the CG for them is terrible, they really don't blend well with the scenes and sort of stand out too much, like they are not actually there. I remember at least season one tried to have variety with the monsters, along with more practical effects for some of them.
 
I was really trying to like the show but came out feeling meh about it after the first season. There's an air of indifference to the source material and the world building that's really apparent from early on. People being very proud about deliberately miscasting characters has turned into a common read flag for adaptions.
I was hoping for melancholic slav adventures, but it turned out an Hercules Fantastic Journeys reboot that wasn't as charming as the original.
I think the showrunner is someones wife? Nepotism isn't even that much of a problem if the Nepos have at least interest in the property they've been given. This feels like something she can put on her CV to get to do the stuff she actually cares about. Or maybe thinking they care about anything other than being Hollywood People is already too optimistic.
The show runner is some generic socal wine mom and it's pretty much confirmed that all the writers hate the source material.

It really is a show that writes itself. Five years ago it would have been a great somewhat episodic series where Geralt and Ciri or Dandelion go on fun adventures fighting monsters and solving moral dilemmas, all of the show's halfway decent episodes are like that, but instead wine mom wanted it to be like Game of Thrones so seventy percent of the show's runtime is dedicated to something other than what makes the IP interesting, IE being a fucking Witcher.
 
I don't know the source material. Season one was decent. Season two had it's moments but definitely was a step down. Also where were her boobs???? I just assumed I would watch season three. Yet here it is and I can't be bothered.
 
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I don't know the source material. Season one was decent. Season two had it's moments but definitely was a step down. Also where were her boobs???? I just assumed I would watch season three. Yet here it is and I can't be bothered.
So go read the fucking books unless you're too dumb to. They are vastly superior to the show.
 
Meh, The TV show is so fucking frustrating. There was flashes of brilliance, ruined by cat ladies who hate the source material. Take the first episode based on 'The Lesser Evil', the short story is great with lots of moral ambuiquty, and some dark humour based on corruption of fairytales. (i.e. the idea Renfri was fucking her Seven Dwarfs). The TV show had fantastic onscreen chemistry between Geralt and Renfri, with both actors nailing their roles. But...it was cut down in favour of Ciri shit and seemed disjointed.
I wish they would have just binned the Ciri stuff and Story of JENNIFER STRONK INDEPENDENT WAMMAN stuff, and just made a few of the short stories, in linear fashion with the stories fleshed out and a 'Black Mirror' style feeling regarding the morals.

I guess it's no surprise that the only good episode of Season 2 was the only one based on a short story too...

Late reply, but the books actually do transition from episodic short stories to a larger, epic story that comes to a conclusion in the last few installments, at which point the 'short story' model is pretty much gone and it is a bit ASOIAF-ish as far as storytelling structure goes (plots within plots, big reveals, switching POV character to give you little peaks at pieces of the story). What is so infuriating is that there already is a blueprint to do exactly that - to move the story structure along away from the episodic one that paints the world for us initially. It was thrown out the window by Hissrich.

I can see why they did the Yennefer backstory because it is important to her character. They definitely spent WAAAAY too much screen time on it though. Her origins are revealed in the book in one greatly written line that says a lot about Yennefer & Geralt's characters - that he looked in her eyes and saw 'that they were the spiteful eyes of a hunchback' or something like that after often wondering about her past, immediately realized that it would crush Yennefer if she knew that he had recognized that, and just never mentions it for the rest of the book. I get having that line make a strong impression, and that being hard to translate to the screen, but come on, the electric eels and shit was completely made up, overly drawn out, and frankly ridiculous.

As to why the cat ladies butchered a perfectly good story line, it's because they're cat ladies and they hate the themes. The sorceresses are basically cat ladies - they literally trade fertility and the possibility of creating life to live longer and maintain this illusion of beauty, dedicating their lives to political power plays, and they're all basket cases in one way or another. Yennefer is defined as a character by 'wanting it both ways' - she wants to break the rules, to have fertility & power, but it's very difficult to do that and it makes her somewhat of a tragic character and emotionally unstable but at the same time magnetic. Francesca Findabair first of all had horrid casting - she's supposed to be the most beautiful woman in the world, with icy, distant condescension wrapped around a deeply buried sadness & barely buried resentment. The actress they got is pretty enough but doesn't fit the character at all. And the character - Francesca is viewed as a traitor to the sorceresses, and later to her own people, as she tries to save them but ends up being played and having to let her own most faithful followers be butchered as scapegoats. She's deeply tragic, really didn't do her justice in the show, completely changed her arc. Tissaia de Vries had a great actor cast - but once again you see the clear catlady bias influencing the plot because they didn't like the themes of the character. Her strong OCD, advanced age, and need to control everything make her emotionally frail, and she opens her own wrists after failing spectacularly in Aretusa in the books - she's a character whose inflexibility makes her brittle, something that probably enrages the evidently inflexible cunts running the show. And finally Fringilla - God what a hachet job. She's supposed to be an exceptionally pale, emotionally incontinent master of illusion with a pixie cut who dwells in a fairytale kingdom which is loosely under the umbrella of Nilfgaard. For some reason they turned her into a hulking negress who is fanatically devoted to Emhyr. Really the only thing that book Fringilla & show Fringilla have in common is the name - they are completely different characters.

The books have complex, gray themes. Ciri is torn between her destiny and her desires, Emhyr between his duty and his love for his daughter, Yennefer between accepting reality and chasing an impossible dream. Francesca perfectly embodies the hopeless situation of the elves and mirrors it in herself - unearthly beauty, but cruel and pragmatic, with a deep sadness. The elves in the books have such a peculiar feel to them - sad, vicious, ephemerally beautiful & graceful, powerful but fading. They really encapsulate the ambience of the world - cruel, savage beauty that's fading away, and there's a sadness in that - reminds me a lot of Blake's 'The Tyger'. Geralt himself is confronting his role as a witcher, and actually befriends a vampire in the later books. Henry Cavill obviously knew and understood this, which is why he wanted Geralt given more lines and opportunities to philosophize - to set the character up for the big turn that's coming his way in the books.

The idiots that get jobs as show runners nowadays don't believe in complex themes anymore because they're narcs who can't imagine thinking about anyone else before themselves. Of course Ciri should chose her own desires, you go girl! You do you! Yennefer is a strong, independent woman who don't need no man. The dimension of vulnerability that her futile desire for fertility gives her is stripped away. That's what makes her attachment to Ciri as a 'foster daughter' so strong in the books - in the show she's willing to sacrifice Ciri for power, because that's what a girl boss does! Francesca is dressed down and painted as a strong leader - stripped of her tragic dimension and shoehorned into badly written fanfiction. Girlbosses are never tragic. Tissaia can't kill herself! She's a cool, calm, in control woman, and trying to control everything never blows up in a woman's face - and if it does, it's not her fault, so why should she kill herself? And Geralt? He's just a plot device to hook people in to the world with flashy fight sequences, monster CGI, gruff quips, a sexy body, and zero personal depth. Wouldn't want to distract from the perfect girl-boss cast that we've created for you by flattening all of the complexities out of the female characters. And the elves are obviously poor oppressed POC/indigenous people, we cannot complicate that strong good message by showing an inch of depth or nuance. We will also make a smattering of them black so you don't feel sorry for any solidly pale ethnic groups - that might be problematic!
 
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The monsters in this new season all look the same. They're all the same shade of dull grey, with the same sort of toothy mouths, just with slightly swapped parts (this one has bug legs, that one has fish fins). And the CG for them is terrible, they really don't blend well with the scenes and sort of stand out too much, like they are not actually there. I remember at least season one tried to have variety with the monsters, along with more practical effects for some of them.
I thought the monster CG looked ok but greenscreening for locations is comically bad. You can smell the money burning by the frame any time something actually happens. Maybe if the episodes weren't an hour long they wouldn't have to pad them out with soap opera chitchat.

Wouldn't want to distract from the perfect girl-boss cast that we've created for you by flattening all of the complexities out of the female characters.
At last we are seeing some diverse perspectives in our televisual fiction. Only a woman would explore such a bold premise as: what if I was the prettiest most special princess in the world, and all the cute boys wanted me, and nobody could tell me what to do. In Witcherland there are no gender roles, they're racially integrated and pansexuality is the norm so you'd think they'd spend less time moping about the patriarchy.
 
I thought the monster CG looked ok but greenscreening for locations is comically bad. You can smell the money burning by the frame any time something actually happens. Maybe if the episodes weren't an hour long they wouldn't have to pad them out with soap opera chitchat.
the irony is if you'd follow the themes @Mukhrani mentioned and make it more high-brow it would cost way less money.

I assume they wanted to rope in the videogame-fans assuming they demand a certain amount MONSTERS and ACTION, not character studies and non-violent conflict resolved via dialog and proper acting...
 
The show runner is some generic socal wine mom and it's pretty much confirmed that all the writers hate the source material.
Lauren Hissrich's biggest mistake was to think that Henry was all muscle and no brain. It's clear that she wanted him to be half-naked in every episode whilst the female characters do the witcher stuff. She wanted a female-lead show, she kind of got it with the spin-off starring that asian actress.
The so-called anonymous leak criticizing Cavill was written by Hissrich. She was so pissed off that she even tried to accuse him of being a Q-anon schizo. I'm glad he decided to leave the show.
 
With as much content is in each collection of short stories and the novels, these retards had like 8+ seasons worth of shit just laid out on a silver platter for them. And they decide to do everything they can to separate the show from the books. And this wouldn't be so frustrating if it was just shit all the time all the way through, but it wasn't. There were bits and pieces that were really good like some of the cast and their performances, even if their stories weren't done justice or in some cases outright butchered. But the shit outweighs any of the good.

There's an extra layer of frustration for me because I fucking hate the games. So if I ever want more witcher shit, I just have to read the same stories I've already gone through multiple times already.

Everything I think Henry is perfect for is fucking cursed. First it was Superman, and I even enjoyed Man of Steel, and now it's Witcher. Doesn't give me much hope for his 40k project, considering he was also a big witcher fan with supposed creative input and look how that's turned out. Plus 40k seems like it's starting to get pozzed too, in recent times.
 
The dimension of vulnerability that her futile desire for fertility gives her is stripped away
I knew this element of Yen's character, which is something so deeply feminine and undeniably powerful, would be absolutely fucking destroyed the minute I learned the show runner was a childless wine mom cat lady. A woman? Being upset and motivated by the fact she can't have kids! YUCK! Soooo sexist kids are literally Satan!

The scene where she says she's glad that baby is dead because it was going to be born a girl and is better off that way in this sick and twisted world was rancid and evil, it made me sick.

And they decide to do everything they can to separate the show from the books.
Get a room full of socal Hollywood weirdos in a room to adapt something masculine and smart you're going to have a room full of people who hate it to the core and think they're smarter.
 
The irony is if you'd follow the themes @Mukhrani mentioned and make it more high-brow it would cost way less money.
Everyone says she wants to imitate Game of Thrones; in the early season when it was at peak popularity this is largely what GoT did. Lots of chatter with the small council or among nobles in vaguely medieval rooms. The decline in narrative quality was accompanied by a drastic ramping up of special effects.

Only a woman would explore such a bold premise as: what if I was the prettiest most special princess in the world, and all the cute boys wanted me, and nobody could tell me what to do.
I wonder if Bonhart will be in the show, or will they cut his character entirely? Are they trying to make him a sympathetic villain by killing any empathy that we have for Ciri?

Lauren Hissrich's biggest mistake was to think that Henry was all muscle and no brain.
This is a common misconception among soft middle-class midwits. I even know a couple of guys who play in to the dumb musclehead stereotype on purpose. Never really got the logic behind it - why are they dumb? Because they're driven and disciplined?

The scene where she says she's glad that baby is dead because it was going to be born a girl and is better off that way in this sick and twisted world was rancid and evil, it made me sick.
That and the scene where she considers sacrificing Ciri for power were both so gross to me - just a total defilement of her character.

Get a room full of socal Hollywood weirdos in a room to adapt something masculine and smart you're going to have a room full of people who hate it to the core and think they're smarter.
That's one of the things that's so infuriating about the butchering of both The Witcher and The Wheel of Time: these aren't particularly macho fantasy books. Sure they have macho characters, but both of these series stood out at the time for a large cast of strong, fleshed-out female characters with large amounts of agency. This isn't even about female resentment of a masculine franchise at all - it's almost like a form of solipsism. They can't stand the idea of fleshed out characters who don't perfectly mimic their own mentalities and beliefs - that being the stock vapid philosophy of an affluent California liberal. They're like the Borg, but they assimilate everything into something that's as lame and boring as humanly possible.
 
This is a common misconception among soft middle-class midwits. I even know a couple of guys who play in to the dumb musclehead stereotype on purpose. Never really got the logic behind it - why are they dumb? Because they're driven and disciplined?
Well for one it's a stereotype because, like every other stereotype, there's some truth to it. It's also not a misconception that only middle class types have. Fucking every class of people has the "dumb meathead" stereotype so idk how far up your ass you had to reach to pull that conclusion out. I've had people from all walks of life assume I'm some mouth breathing retard for having muscles. And if you spent any amount of time around gym rats and muscle bros you'd see the stereotype is very much self perpetuating in most cases.

And people who actually work out/are in shape don't really give a shit anyway. It's always DYELS and people whove never seen the inside of a gym who get mad on our behalf.
 
The idiots that get jobs as show runners nowadays don't believe in complex themes anymore because they're narcs who can't imagine thinking about anyone else before themselves.
You can't turn "women are always right, and white men are bad" into a complex theme. It seems like women writers/directors are especially bad at handling emotional and moral complexity, because they can't help projecting themselves into the content and feeling personally threatened by anything that would actually make the story interesting.

That's one of the things that's so infuriating about the butchering of both The Witcher and The Wheel of Time: these aren't particularly macho fantasy books.

Masculine doesn't mean macho. The conflicts, politics, moral struggles, and personal sacrifices in the Witcher are the kinds of things you tend to find in books written by and for men. Feminine stories tend to revolve around validating the (usually female) protagonist and people falling in love.
 
Well for one it's a stereotype because, like every other stereotype, there's some truth to it... I've had people from all walks of life assume I'm some mouth breathing retard for having muscles. And if you spent any amount of time around gym rats and muscle bros you'd see the stereotype is very much self perpetuating in most cases.
In all fairness, you could say 'most of them aren't very bright' about just about any group of people. Even among scientists, most of them aren't exactly dazzling intellects - so many have mastered one really specific subfield and little else - very few are renaissance men. By definition, noticeably intelligent people are always a pretty small minority.

It's also not a misconception that only middle class types have. Fucking every class of people has the "dumb meathead" stereotype so idk how far up your ass you had to reach to pull that conclusion out.
Definitely wasn't my experience growing up. Sure, people with generally positive traits are always resented, that's human nature, and then people justify it post-hoc. Pretty girls are presented as mean or airheaded by homely ones - in my experience homely girls are often way nastier on average. And fit people are also resented by those who aren't.

I grew up in a working class, rural area, and the 'sour grapes' stereotype that I always heard about guys that wanted to look like Greek statues was that they were vain/gay, or that going to the gym was a 'yuppie thing', or maybe that they had small dicks and were compensating (this one came more from the women). The line of insult was much more about preening, almost insinuating that it was metrosexual/feminine. Strength itself wasn't usually seen that way, but seeking after the 'atheletic body' and going to the gym all the time often was. Just being strong was seen as a positive because most of these people did physically demanding jobs - you're not going to associate strength with stupidity if you need to be strong to do your job.

The whole 'dumb jock', 'stupid meathead', sort of smug 'he's going to have a heart attack from eating red meat/eggs' mentality was almost always coming from kids from the middle/upper classes, usually skinny but sometimes fat neckbeards. A lot of them were pampered/lazy people, and the cope that they relied on was that they spent their time on intellectual self-cultivation instead of wasting it at the gym (most of them didn't, they spent it posting on social media, playing video games, or watching anime). Being a white-collar worker was also seen as 'superior' to blue-collar worker by these people. Seeing strength itself as a marker a sign of stupidity is another way to look down on people who do physical labor, and to justify why one should be paid 70k for dicking around on power point all year while the other makes half that doing something with far more utility.
 
Is this for real? No wonder Cavill left.

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Everything I think Henry is perfect for is fucking cursed. First it was Superman, and I even enjoyed Man of Steel, and now it's Witcher. Doesn't give me much hope for his 40k project, considering he was also a big witcher fan with supposed creative input and look how that's turned out. Plus 40k seems like it's starting to get pozzed too, in recent times.
I've noticed that everything he gets seem to fall apart. Which is weird as fuck to me cause from my perspective as a woman the dude is an Adonis and casting him is a great way to draw in a female audience I.E. half of the population. The fact that he actually cares about the material is a definite plus. He's less likely to get bored and spend all his time partying in a way that would damage his performance.
I knew this element of Yen's character, which is something so deeply feminine and undeniably powerful, would be absolutely fucking destroyed the minute I learned the show runner was a childless wine mom cat lady. A woman? Being upset and motivated by the fact she can't have kids! YUCK! Soooo sexist kids are literally Satan!

The scene where she says she's glad that baby is dead because it was going to be born a girl and is better off that way in this sick and twisted world was rancid and evil, it made me sick.


Get a room full of socal Hollywood weirdos in a room to adapt something masculine and smart you're going to have a room full of people who hate it to the core and think they're smarter.
There's a lot of interesting things you can do with the concept of a woman weighing beauty and power vs. fertility (which is arguably another kind of power.) Infertility is actually a thing that a lot of women can relate to, but after what happened with the Black Widow I knew they can never treat the issue of a woman not being able to be a mother with the respect and seriousness that it deserves.

In fact, I think that lack of respect for the source material is the issue in Hollywood that makes all of these adaptations, reboots, sequels and so on like this Witcher series such enormous shit shows. It's very obvious to me that the people they get to write, direct, and cast these productions hate what they consider to be worthless nerd shit and try everything in their power to turn it into what they actually want to make. Which is something like Sex and the City or Girls but with more homosexuals and 400 lb black women.

The snobbery of genre fiction is still a real thing even if you get rid of all of the left wing ideology. You can tell it irks them that their paycheck doesn't come from "real art".

I've always been a reader of fantasy and science fiction and obsessed with watching old scifi shows from the 90s and playing RPGs. When I was younger I would have done anything to see a Pern TV show or a Drizzt movie but now I just dread when they try to adapt something I really loved. I've heard rumors that they are supposed to be adapting the Amber Chronicles by Roger Zelazny and I hope the Hollywood strike just kills it, since the main characters are all siblings or related and it's going to look really fucking stupid when they pull this shit of trying to make every character a different race and half of them gay.
 
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