New Covid Delta variant with mutation that could dodge vaccines found in UK - There are just 19 cases so far of Delta + E484K, the mutation associated with immune escape – suggesting the virus is coming under pressure from highly vaccinated population

A new mutation of the Delta variant which could make it more resistant to vaccines has been identified in the UK.

Some 19 cases of Delta with E484K, the mutation associated with immune escape in other variants, have been found, including 17 in England and two in Scotland.

Although case numbers are very low, the presence of E484K – known in virology circles as “Eeek” because of its vaccine-dodging qualities – is a cause for concern and Public Health England have classed it as a “signal under investigation”.

The latest technical briefing paper on Delta by PHE say changes at position 484 on the covid genome are “potentially antigenically significant” – meaning it could make the virus more resistant to current vaccines.

However all vaccines in the UK offer strong protection against Delta and while this mutation could potentially blunt their effect it would not make them ineffective.

The E484K mutation is present in the Beta virus first identified in South Africa, which triggered surge testing where it was found in the UK earlier this year due to its concerning properties, as well as in two other strains of B1617, the parent lineage of the Delta variant. All three did not have the same highly contagious properties as Delta.

But scientists have warned for some time that a combination of highly transmissible Delta with an immune escape mutation could pose a threat to vaccines.

However, the clusters of Delta + E484K may die out, as happened with the so-called “Delta Plus” variant in the UK earlier this summer, which was a combination of Delta with E484Q, another mutation of concern.

As of 13 September, the largest clusters of Delta + E484K are in the East Midlands and Yorkshire and the Humber regions, with six and four cases respectively. There are two in the East of England and one each in London, the north west, south east and south west of England, and a further one in an unknown region.

Three of the 17 English cases are linked to travel through Latvia and Nigeria.

Internationally there are 99 cases of Delta + E484K, including 25 in the United States, 22 in Denmark, 21 in Turkey, six in Italy, and three in Germany.

A PHE spokesperson said: “We constantly monitor all data relating to SARS-CoV-2 variants in the UK and abroad. Delta with E484K is not a Variant Under Investigation or a Variant of Concern at this time. When cases are identified, health protection teams are informed so that they can take actions appropriate to the epidemiological situation.”

The weekly average of hospital admissions has fallen for the first time in several weeks, according to the latest Government coronavirus dashboard figures.


There were 909 new hospitalisations as of 13 September. The number of new daily cases also continued to fall, to 32,651, a seven-day average decrease of 23 per cent. However daily deaths remain relatively high, with 178 new fatalities reported on Friday.

The shift also suggests the virus is coming under pressure in a largely vaccinated population in the UK and is trying to adapt to survive.

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So an explanation is that COVID is ever developing. Likely because it was manmade.
Some viruses are just very good at that. Flu is another example, that was already a thing before we figured out what viruses were. It can change either due to errors while copying its genetic information, called antigenic drift, or very suddenly by adapting information from other viruses/hosts, called antigenic shift. While the former is easier to predict (which is why we have flu shots), the latter often comes unsuspected and can cause a lot of trouble.

I'm not 100% sure of the mechanisms behind the Covid 19 virus (although antigenic drift is a thing there, too), but it was always said that it is pretty adaptive. Even before the whole pandemic thing.

Edit: I meant that it was known about the Coronavirus, that it was pretty adaptive. Obviously Covid 19 wasn't really a topic before the pandemic :p
 
So this is a new variant, why is it called "delta but with a mutation"? Is delta now just the "corona but MORE BAD" word?
Sigma variant or bust. I want every chance to go "SIGMA BALLLLLLS" when talking about corona.
Because its a new genotype lineage descended from the original "Delta" lineage.
I'm going to see if I can find a taxonomic cladogram to better explain what's happening.

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Here's an actual cladogram/phylogenetic tree of COVID variants. As you can see even among the variants there is considerable diversity.
The current genotype in question still belongs to the "Delta" ancestral lineage, its just a new morph that can evade vaccine (and presumably natural) immunity.
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And here's a much more simplistic example of what is happening, sans all the other lineages and details (courtesy of 2 minutes on MS paint).
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This is a side effect of too many people being unvaccinated. The virus grows and develops into something stronger. Think of it like mold in a house. The more the mold grows, the stronger it gets.
That's not how evolution works.

The more you expose an organism (in this case a pseudo-living virus rather than a *true* organism) to a stressor, the more it adapts to that stressor, not vice-versa.

Take for example the most simple and famous example of the Peppered Moths. Prior to the industrial revolution in England, the Peppered Moths were almost entirely a whitish light-tan species, with only a few isolated accounts of a rare melanistic (black or dark-grey) color morph.
As the industrial revolution left soot on the trees around heavily urbanized areas, the melanistic morph slowly came to dominate the population because suddenly it was selectively favorable to blend in with dark-colored tree bark to better hide from predators - so now the pressure had the previously rare melanistic moths surviving while the previously common light morph died off due to predators picking off the lighter ones at a higher rate.

This whole situation is basically telling the virus "adapt or die" and then surprised pikachu face when it adapts to the vaccine.
So an explanation is that COVID is ever developing. Likely because it was manmade.
All species are ever-developing.
Some species take millions of years (i.e. crocodilians) others take a few months (i.e. Coronaviruses)
 
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So an explanation is that COVID is ever developing. Likely because it was manmade.
That's hardly unique to manmade things. HIV has a famously high rate of mutation, which is why you can't vaccinate (real vaccinate) against it. This is also why they tell you to finish all of your antibiotics, no matter what- because if you don't, you risk strengthening the disease by killing off all but the hardiest pathogens, making an incomplete cure explicitly worse than the initial disease.

In this way, the vaccine (or whatever) for Covid is the perfect pressure cooker: strong to force it to evolve, but not strong enough to risk actually killing it.

...fuck, we're all just another phase in Fauci's gain-of-function research, aren't we. "The experiment never ended."
 
Seal off the island for a few months, it’s the only way.
 
Thanks for explaining, while I disagree with you not getting a test or wearing a mask. You did stay at home for the week, can't give you any shit for that even if you didn't get the test.

Good luck with quitting smoking.
FWIW in regards to what we were chatting about:


'worst cold ever' going around the UK. Very strange that fever isn't one of the symptoms as that's the body's way of killing off a virus.

New strain of covid?
 
Seal off the island for a few months, it’s the only way.
Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
How well this help stop covid?
Covid?
New strain of covid?
Many people have been saying that covid well just become the common cold, imagine destroying entire economies, ruining childhoods and livelihoods, creating another divide in a ready divided society all for a cold. Imagine.
 
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This is a side effect of too many people being unvaccinated. The virus grows and develops into something stronger. Think of it like mold in a house. The more the mold grows, the stronger it gets.
Thing with viruses is they usually mutate into something more benign as they become more contagious. And there was always going to be areas where people didn’t get vaccinated at levels as high as the US, so this was always going to become endemic. I’ve heard from Mexicans visiting the US for vaccinations that’d comment how the earliest they’d get one there was summer 2022. That’s without even touching on how the virus has been shown to still spread and mutate amongst the vaccinated.
 
I'd say "Do they think we don't notice?" but everyone will eat this shit up once again
 
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