Plagued Nice Guys

[Mark Corrigan]

I went back a few pages and the only mention I see of nice guys as rapists is in your post. Who is labeling nice guys as rapists?

I saw that stuff all over feminist blogs that touched upon the issue of "nice guys". Perhaps I shouldn't have gone there in the first place.

 

[CatFace]

I saw that stuff all over feminist blogs that touched upon the issue of "nice guys". Perhaps I shouldn't have gone there in the first place.

You could probably find any number of 'sources' labeling any group of people as awful human beings.

It just comes out of left field when no one here was saying anything like that. Good advice for the nice guys though. I think fixation plays a big role in why these guys get so over the top, not to mention why people would find them unattractive or difficult to be around.

 

[ActualKiwi]

This is a painful thread. Hard for me to participate without powerleveling as it hits really close to home, but I'll share some loose thoughts.

First, I really disagree with immediate labelling of "nice guys" as rapists in the making and on the whole horrible people. It is true that many of them come off as passive-aggressive wankers, but oftentimes so do those who criticise them. Women excel at that. You almost get the impression that there's some physical disgust they experience and try to rationalise it - "how dare that creep even THINK about sleeping with me? he must be a rapist" etc.

Second, I think the problem of "nice guys" lies in their lack of experience with relationships. That has two consequences:
1. They think they can create a happy relationship just by being nice. Now, let's assume that a guy is genuinely nice (as in, good-natured, kind, friendly etc.) and not just thinking of himself as such. This alone, however, is not enough and it shows whenever a situation occurs that triggers their relationship-related insecurities. It can happen, for example, at a party when other guys approach the girl they are with. This is a test many "nice guys" fail. They fear losing the girl and start acting like overprotective, jealous assholes. Or, for example, they completely lose their shit and the "nice guy" facade when they're at a restaurant with the girl of their dreams and the service is taking too long.
2. They think that a relationship is necessary for them to become normal human beings, because everyone else seems to be in one and a happy one, too. They can hardly be blamed for that, because mass culture tells them every day that they need to sleep around a lot and be in a relationship with plenty of sex involved just to be considered a real human being. Since many "nice guys" also lack social skills and friends, they cannot confront those messages with how real world works and fall for them very easily. That way women who don't want to sleep with them become also some kind of existential enemies who prevent them from becoming part of humanity (think Mary Lee Walsh). The delusional embrace of the manosphere is just around the corner for them. This is indeed very sad irony that people who consider themselves "red-pilled" are almost entirely conditioned by pop-culture and mass-media, at least as far as relationships are concerned.

My advice to "nice guys" would be, well, to forget about relationships completely, take up a martial art (raises assertiveness, confidence AND makes you look better) and develop social skills, helping yourself with booze if necessary. As your socialisation progresses, you'll realise that many people around are in fact poseurs and walking sacks of insecurities themselves, that many happy couples actually hate each other and many times that really hot girl is only with that other guy for his money, which means you could just as well buy her "affection" yourself. You'll also realise that many hot, princess-like girls are batshit insane with issues way worse than yours. And that it's much better to be alone than to be in a destructive relationship with a psycho "cutie".



Don't forget claiming to be against "degeneracy" (a.k.a. "I can't get laid because die Juden told white women to fuck niggers instead of me").

Great advice for them there. I could definitely spin the Nice Guys a tale or two about some of the "princess-like" girls I've been with...your comment about them tending to have issues is quite on the mark there (I regret sticking my dick in the crazy)

 

[Cosmos]

(reposting this after it was lost in the Kiwi Migration of 2016)

I really grappled with where to put this, because it's applicable to literally any thread dealing with loveshies/manosphere inhabitants, but I finally decided to stick it here because this is where I think the most people will see it. Ladies and gentlesirs, may I present

KISSLESS VIRGINITY: The Musical! A Seven-Act play by a former robot


(song renditions here)

Some anon actually wrote a musical (read: a 14-minute stage play with short poems instead of songs) about his experiences as a kissless virgin before he finally meets his Sweetheart from the Ground Up. I just want to put out a disclaimer that I have no idea if this is genuine or not, but even if it was just a joke, this still applies. Seriously, even if it was a joke, someone still actually took the time and effort to write it out. This is one of the single most autistic things I've ever read. For some incomprehensible reason I read the entire thing but I took a shower right afterwards to feel clean again. Kiwi discretion is advised.

Best monologue in the history of theatre:

Do you know how fucking hard it is? Do ANY of you know how fucking hard it is? To go 26 FUCKING YEARS without even kissing another human being? To go 26 FUCKING YEARS with not even an OUNCE of intimacy in your life? No....of course you don't! You're all Chads and Staceys. You guys just fuck any slut you want. And you girls just fuck the top 20% of men. And don't fucking deny it, it's scientifically PROVEN! Girls rate 80% of men on OkCupid as BELOW AVERAGE. Guys like me, average looking guys, guys who are a little on the short side, we don't even FUCKING EXIST to you! We're the guys who run your fucking errands for you, help you move your shit, who treat you with nothing but respect and what do we get in return? FUCKING NOTHING! Not a hug, not a peck, NOTHING! And then you have the FUCKING audacity to turn "nice guys" into some FEMINIST buzzword and accuse us of being CREEPS! News flash: you only think we're creepy because we aren't ATTRACTIVE! If Chad does the same shit, you can't even wait to take off your soiled panties for him! Well, fuck you! My names is Danny Fuckin' Struthers, and I'm a fucking virgin! Don't like it? Bite me!

 

[Lorento]

All the Horror

So, let's try and analyse this thing like I would a normal book or script.

First of all, his characters are a joke. they all fit stereotypes straight out of the Marjan Siklic guide to dating, right down to the bitch mother and the fact that we are supposed to sympathise with the self insert- sorry, I mean main character, when he openly admits he's a social parasite who lives in the basement.

Lets see if the musical part actually makes things better.

"Not a touch of the hands
Not a taste of the lips
Never sucked on some nips
Nope I've done absolutely none of it."

What kind of rhyme scheme is this? ABBC? I'll not even comment on the content of this 'poem' because it's so utterly autistic it's astounding.

Act 2. I have never seen such hatred and bitterness put into such words before. Elliot Rodgers manifesto was slightly more hate filled, but Elliot did have a mental condition so I can give him that. This is just blatantly dumb. The main characters 'friend' Ralph, talks like a 90s stereotype that would have offended people if it had existed in the 90s. Unironically uses the term "Dee-Dawg" which made me laugh.

I'll give this piece of shit one thing, the truth or dare sequence was actually funny. And that's it, fuck this brutal shit.

EDIT: Having read the monologue that Cosmos posted, I will now enter any conversation with "My name is Danny fucking Struthers, and I'm a fucking virgin."

 

[Mark Corrigan]

Best monologue in the history of theatre:

Do you know how fucking hard it is? Do ANY of you know how fucking hard it is? To go 26 FUCKING YEARS without even kissing another human being? To go 26 FUCKING YEARS with not even an OUNCE of intimacy in your life? No....of course you don't! You're all Chads and Staceys. You guys just fuck any slut you want. And you girls just fuck the top 20% of men. And don't fucking deny it, it's scientifically PROVEN! Girls rate 80% of men on OkCupid as BELOW AVERAGE. Guys like me, average looking guys, guys who are a little on the short side, we don't even FUCKING EXIST to you! We're the guys who run your fucking errands for you, help you move your shit, who treat you with nothing but respect and what do we get in return? FUCKING NOTHING! Not a hug, not a peck, NOTHING! And then you have the FUCKING audacity to turn "nice guys" into some FEMINIST buzzword and accuse us of being CREEPS! News flash: you only think we're creepy because we aren't ATTRACTIVE! If Chad does the same shit, you can't even wait to take off your soiled panties for him! Well, fuck you! My names is Danny Fuckin' Struthers, and I'm a fucking virgin! Don't like it? Bite me!

I almost started feeling sorry for him, but then he started speaking 4chan at me and using OkCupid as example of academic research and I realised he was a cunt.

 

[Pinball Lizard]

I read the whole thing. Holy crap, was that cringeworthy. Have we finally found someone with worse aptitude for music than the Hedgehog Boys? And what kind of musical has only five songs anyway?

That third "act" actually angered me. Because speaking as someone currently engaged in the "wonderful" world of job-hunting in real life? Anyone who gives up before they even try can go fuck themselves. And OF COURSE he thinks Rey is too powerful, too. I still have no idea what a "Chad" or a "Stacey" is, either.

The audience plant thing was honestly kind of funny, but apart from that...

Oh, and he calls what are clearly "scenes," "acts," too.

 

[Cosmos]

I read the whole thing. Holy crap, was that cringeworthy. Have we finally found someone with worse aptitude for music than the Hedgehog Boys? And what kind of musical has only five songs anyway?

That third "act" actually angered me. Because speaking as someone currently engaged in the "wonderful" world of job-hunting in real life? Anyone who gives up before they even try can go fuck themselves. And OF COURSE he thinks Rey is too powerful, too. I still have no idea what a "Chad" or a "Stacey" is, either.

The audience plant thing was honestly kind of funny, but apart from that...

Oh, and he calls what are clearly "scenes," "acts," too.

I think my favorite part was when

Spoiler

Rebecca turns out to be a dickgirl and Danny's "inner demons" emerge and start dancing around, Danny fights his gay panic through song, and then decides that he loves traps anyway and fucks Rebecca.

 

[Pinball Lizard]

I think my favorite part was when

Spoiler

Rebecca turns out to be a dickgirl and Danny's "inner demons" emerge and start dancing around, Danny fights his gay panic through song, and then decides that he loves traps anyway and fucks Rebecca.

Those "Shadow People" would be right at home as Sonichu villains, I thought.

 

[systemlord_baal]

Holy flying fuck, the screencaps of the posts and YouTube videos of these creeps are enough to make cringe me enough to vibrate through solid matter. These punks basically think, that just cause they show feign some basic decency towards a woman (or a man), they're gonna shag them for shizzle. And the proof for that being an mere can be seen in these screencaps posted here. They think, that friendship will get them poontang without effort. They'd deserve pity rather than scorn, if they didn't blame anyone except themselves for their lack of GV (German colloquial acronym for sex). If someone calls themselves rational, realist, truth seeker, "wake up, sheeple", nice guy and so on unironically, chances are very high, that they are irrational, reality-shunning, conspiracy theorist, assholes and so on. And there seem to be also a large overlap of "Nice Guys" and incels/loveshys (and they're also no community. Some mod, admin or someone like that should move this thread to the loveshy therapy subforum) which results in many creepy and disgusting attitudes and views (e.g. this nauseating amalgam of racism and misogyny, that "Asian" (in their view, only East Asia is "Asia" and forget anything to the West of, say, China) women are more desirable ... oh who the fuck am I kidding, they think, that they're more submissive and just gonna let them lord over them like some tin-pot dictator).

 

[Pinball Lizard]

You're so nice. You're not good, you're not bad...

 

[Cosmos]

Holy flying fuck, the screencaps of the posts and YouTube videos of these creeps are enough to make cringe me enough to vibrate through solid matter. These punks basically think, that just cause they show feign some basic decency towards a woman (or a man), they're gonna shag them for shizzle. And the proof for that being an mere can be seen in these screencaps posted here. They think, that friendship will get them poontang without effort. They'd deserve pity rather than scorn, if they didn't blame anyone except themselves for their lack of GV (German colloquial acronym for sex). If someone calls themselves rational, realist, truth seeker, "wake up, sheeple", nice guy and so on unironically, chances are very high, that they are irrational, reality-shunning, conspiracy theorist, assholes and so on. And there seem to be also a large overlap of "Nice Guys" and incels/loveshys (and they're also no community. Some mod, admin or someone like that should move this thread to the loveshy therapy subforum) which results in many creepy and disgusting attitudes and views (e.g. this nauseating amalgam of racism and misogyny, that "Asian" (in their view, only East Asia is "Asia" and forget anything to the West of, say, China) women are more desirable ... oh who the fuck am I kidding, they think, that they're more submissive and just gonna let them lord over them like some tin-pot dictator).

How Nice Guys view the world:

Nice Guy: *holds open a door for a girl*
Girl: *thinking* Wow, what a perfect gentleman. And I thought chivalry was dead! I'm so used to being treated like shit by Chads I forgot that I'm actually a human being who deserves to be treated with respect. I should totally fuck this guy, otherwise I'm a total cunt.

 

[AveraDiane]

I almost started feeling sorry for him, but then he started speaking 4chan at me and using OkCupid as example of academic research and I realised he was a cunt.

"Of course I know how women are! I've been rejected on OkCupid many times!"

This musical is complete cringe.

 

[Pinball Lizard]

It's still be terrible no matter what, but what really stands out to me is that this guy is not only a leech off his parents, he's utterly proud of it! He fakes applying for a job at Starbucks, he's so apathetic. Fakes. Applying. To effing Starbucks. And still gets the damn girl!

 

[grilledcheesesandwich]

And still gets the damn "girl"!

FTFY

 

[Cosmos]

Best parts of Kissless Virginity so people don't have to slog through it:

Spoiler: Our hero, ladies and gentlemen

Spoiler: GET AWAY FROM THAT INTERNET, I'M CUTTIN' IT DOWN

Spoiler: Once again, THIS IS OUR PROTAGONIST

Spoiler: Danny the neckbeard

Spoiler: People talk like this in real life

Spoiler: Lol what a pussy

Spoiler: GOD SHE'S SUCH A BITCH

Spoiler: Tough Love

Spoiler: Danny is basically a nuclear physicist

Spoiler: Virgins are more oppressed than WWII-era Jews

Spoiler: WHAT A TWIST!!!

There, I just saved you like 85% of the cringing you would have done otherwise.

 

[Pinball Lizard]

Best parts of Kissless Virginity so people don't have to slog through it:

Spoiler: Once again, THIS IS OUR PROTAGONIST

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There, I just saved you like 85% of the cringing you would have done otherwise.

I've haven't been this flat-out angry at a lolcow in a while. Sorry for being possibly spergy, but this scene, as I said, struck a nerve relevant to my real life.

 

[yasscat]

Best parts of Kissless Virginity so people don't have to slog through it:

Spoiler: Our hero, ladies and gentlemen

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Spoiler: GET AWAY FROM THAT INTERNET, I'M CUTTIN' IT DOWN

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Spoiler: Once again, THIS IS OUR PROTAGONIST

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Spoiler: Danny the neckbeard

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Spoiler: People talk like this in real life

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Spoiler: Lol what a pussy

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Spoiler: GOD SHE'S SUCH A BITCH

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Spoiler: Tough Love

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Spoiler: Danny is basically a nuclear physicist

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Spoiler: Virgins are more oppressed than WWII-era Jews

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Spoiler: WHAT A TWIST!!!

There, I just saved you like 85% of the cringing you would have done otherwise.

I have no words. Absolutely none.

 

[Cosmos]

I have no words. Absolutely none.

Here, maybe this will make you feel better.

 

[DuskEngine]

he used his real name