Plagued Nice Guys

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I've always found the term "nice guy" the pinnacle of intellectual laziness. It reminds me of when people boast about how intelligent they are despite never accomplishing anything.

Being a "nice guy" is convenient because everyone thinks of themselves that way. It's something you don't really even need to justify. Just say you're a "nice guy" and there's no need to say anything more.

In reality the term "Nice Guy" is what you say about someone when you have no other way to describe them. When you ask someone to describe their friend, when they usually have nothing to say about them they go to the "well he's a real nice guy and everything" description. Because it's convenient, and completely devoid of any description. It's a statement that implies it should say a lot except it says next to nothing about the person. An actual nice person usually doesn't boast about themselves in this manner, and they would usually have enough humility to be happy that the girl is with someone that had more of a backbone.
 
I've always found the term "nice guy" the pinnacle of intellectual laziness. It reminds me of when people boast about how intelligent they are despite never accomplishing anything.

Being a "nice guy" is convenient because everyone thinks of themselves that way. It's something you don't really even need to justify. Just say you're a "nice guy" and there's no need to say anything more.

In reality the term "Nice Guy" is what you say about someone when you have no other way to describe them. When you ask someone to describe their friend, when they usually have nothing to say about them they go to the "well he's a real nice guy and everything" description. Because it's convenient, and completely devoid of any description. It's a statement that implies it should say a lot except it says next to nothing about the person. An actual nice person usually doesn't boast about themselves in this manner, and they would usually have enough humility to be happy that the girl is with someone that had more of a backbone.

"Nice" is a polite way of saying "If nothing else, harmless" and that's not fertile ground for a relationship to grow from because just about everyone who isn't in jail right now is probably comparably "nice".

"Nice" is a prerequisite to at least not instantly repel a woman by being a creep, not some unique bargaining chip only you have.

"Nice Guys" at once overestimate it's value, and overestimate how much they have of it.

That's why actual nice people don't describe themselves as such.
 
All I really gotta say about Nice Guys is this:

No one actually likes the people who obsessively hold doors open, put their coats down so women don't get their feet wet on puddles, and continually pander and treat others. Not unless said person is an entitled brat.

Surprisingly, most people like being treated like fellow people.
 
"Nice" is a polite way of saying "If nothing else, harmless" and that's not fertile ground for a relationship to grow from because just about everyone who isn't in jail right now is probably comparably "nice".

"Nice" is a prerequisite to at least not instantly repel a woman by being a creep, not some unique bargaining chip only you have.

"Nice Guys" at once overestimate it's value, and overestimate how much they have of it.

That's why actual nice people don't describe themselves as such.

Exactly. If being nice is the only thing you have going for you, then you're probably not very interesting. Girls want guys who are nice as well as being funny/smart/fun to be around/etc.

If you always hold the door for ladies, that's great, but what else can you do?
 
If you think about it, even being in the "friend zone" isn't necessarily a bad thing. Aside from the obvious benefits of still having emotional support, being friends with a hot girl could still give you social skills training for when the next hot girl comes. And in my own experience, a lot of friend-zoning happens because the woman is already in a relationship. If it ever should happen that they fall out with their current date, maybe they'll fall back on you.

That said, I must admit that even getting into the "friend zone" isn't easy these days. A lot of girls my age (as in twenty-somethings) have a lot of responsibilities like schoolwork and jobs taking up time you'd want to spend hanging out. Some of them don't even seem to have the time for e-mail or social media. I've had incidences where I've received e-mail addresses from women, yet they never responded to my inquiries. I am still not sure if they were just busy or if it was their way of rejecting me. And frankly I find that annoying. I understand rejecting a guy to his face might be a scary proposition for many women, but on a visceral level I would appreciate some upfront honesty.
 
I'll bite and go on a powerleveling spergfest and explain as to why Nice Guys are the way they are and why it may not change. The reason why Nice Guys are this way is because of an incapability to find a balance in personality. For example, I've always been a nice guy/Nice Guy. I like to make people(those who deserve it of course) feel good and have a great day. I'm a jokester when the time comes and I like to have fun. I was raised to be respectful and have manners. I didn't grow up watching many rom-com movies like most of the Nice Guy/Incel/LS folks did. There were times where I did watch movies where the male hero gets the girl in the end.

I was never taught how to attract women or how to get a girlfriend(I may have when I was younger but it flew in one ear and out the other). I'd would have to figure out how to attract women and etc. I'm also the quiet and introverted type so whenever I would see my male friends who are a lot more extroverted than I am I would emulate how they act(this was in my high school days mind you). I would apply this with girls I was attracted to. I had and still do what Dr. Nerd Love calls the "Platonic Backdoor Gambit" aka be nice to get in her pants, because the whole "friendship before relationships" trope was drilled into my head in my teens and simply I don't how know to get into a relationship with a women outside of being friends first.

The reason for my powerleveling sums up to

- No lessons on attracting the opposite sex

- Emulating behaviors seen from male friends and peers

- The conflicting 'friends before relationships' 'be her best friend before getting into a relationship'

It's obvious Nice Guys don't know how to find a perfect balance in being an attractive person for women because the advice given is all conflicting. It's also that clear that many Nice Guys aren't confident in themselves because of years of self-defeating, possibly bullying, and low self-esteem that they need a woman in their lives to help them feel whole and pick themselves up(regardless if they have good or bad relationships with their mothers) and feeling like a normal human being because everyone else in the world are able to get into relationships 'easily' or 'in a drop of a hat'. That's the only thing I can see why Nice Guys are the way they are. I have more insight to this but not the time right now.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeAnar..._do_girls_put_the_nice_guys_x_post_rniceguys/
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There are two male sexual strategies applicable to the modern world. One involves attempting to have sex as soon as possible and the other involves attempting to increase ones value before becoming sexually active. NiceGuys fail at both because they neither attempt to improve themselves nor do they attempt to enter relationships in any substantial form. Incels fail because they improve themselves for the gay community
 
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Oh Heartless Bitches, how I love that site!

I had a guy friend like this. He ended up on my porch screaming and freaking out because I wouldn't talk to him because I had to study for my finals. (My dad was going to call the cops, but fortunately my mother was able to talk him down and get him to leave. Fortunately he was moving away, or I might have had to quit my job and possibly get a restraining order.) I mean, seriously, he would tell me that I was the only reason he got up in the morning, I brought so much light to his life, blah blah blah. If I talked to another male friend, he'd sulk. If he thought he did something wrong to upset me, he'd make me cards on his computer.

Okay, maybe this is a wee bit more intense than most "Nice Guys" to put it mildly, but I've heard guys say things like, "I've already got enough friends", or, "I wasn't looking for just another FRIEND." Hello? That's the thing that kills me. You like me enough to use me as a sperm receptacle, but not enough to actually, you know, respect me as a person? I don't wanted to be treated like a "queen". I wanted to be treated like me. (Most of these guys are so over the top it's embarassing. Just...chill.) And yeah, I can understand not wanting to be around someone who rejected you for a bit -- it does hurt and it can be awkward. But eventually you get past it. You have to.

(Sorry, as you can imagine, this is a sore spot with me) Grrrr...
 
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