Nintendo Switch 2 - For the Soytendo consoomers to speculate about the successor to the Switch, recently announced for 2025.

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Rotollo 2 said:
It really got bad with 8 and 9 man, EA took what was basiclly the US pc gamers dragons quest and shot it to fuel ultima online, tragity man
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The fact that the expansion for Ultima 8 was essentially completed, but then they decided not to ship it at the very last minute, that hurt, it still hurts.
 
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FrogMinutes said:
the switch can't play Tokyo Jungle IT'S WEAK
I can even emulate that shit now,

no excuses.
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I've crunched the numbers and I am fairly confident that the Switch 2 GPU, on a raw power relative comparison with consoles, at full power is about as powerful as 80% of a PS4 Pro, so likely less in handheld mode. How much less in handheld mode, it's impossible to say without knowing the power profiles. So it's 4/5th as powerful as a Playstation that was released in 2016, about a year before the Switch 1 debuted.

Compared to the Tegra X1 GPU, in terms of raw computational power, that would make the Switch 2 GPU approximately 6.6 times more powerful.

Interestingly the top line Playstation, the Playstation 5 Pro, is actually more powerful relative to the Switch 2, than the PS4 Pro was to the Switch 1. The PS4 Pro was only ~8.2 times more powerful than the Switch 1, whereas the PS5 Pro is 10.7 times more powerful than the Switch 2. So I guess another way of comparing the power of the Switch 2 is that it is ~9.35% of a PS5 Pro.

I point out I am neither pro or anti-Switch 2, this is a pure maths comparison in terms of raw computational power.
 
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Prokhor Zakharov said:
I've crunched the numbers and I am fairly confident that the Switch 2 GPU, on a raw power relative comparison with consoles, at full power is about as powerful as 80% of a PS4 Pro, so likely less in handheld mode. How much less in handheld mode, it's impossible to say without knowing the power profiles. So it's 4/5th as powerful as a Playstation that was released in 2016, about a year before the Switch 1 debuted.

Compared to the Tegra X1 GPU, in terms of raw computational power, that would make the Switch 2 GPU approximately 6.6 times more powerful.

Interestingly the top line Playstation, the Playstation 5 Pro, is actually more powerful relative to the Switch 2, than the PS4 Pro was to the Switch 1. The PS4 Pro was only ~8.2 times more powerful than the Switch 1, whereas the PS5 Pro is 10.7 times more powerful than the Switch 2. So I guess another way of comparing the power of the Switch 2 is that it is ~9.35% of a PS5 Pro.

I point out I am neither pro or anti-Switch 2, this is a pure maths comparison in terms of raw computational power.
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So you're saying I can get a Nintendo that is as strong as a PS4 and does nice graphics and I also get Nintendo games?

Fuck yeah!
 
gamerweeb1 said:
- Nobody will buy the Switch, it's too expensive and has no games
- Of course the pre-orders will sell out, it's the fanboys and scalpers
- Of course it sold well in the first six months, but now the casuals won't buy it and it will flop
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We'll get to here and stop (except outside of Japan where it will do well. Probably 25-30M LTD). Nintendo is the low cost option in the market and they always have been. Anytime Nintendo gets too close in price to the competition, they have a bad time. Wii U, funny enough, is one of the best examples. The better tier Wii U was only $50 bucks cheaper than the PS4, so why buy a Wii U. In contrast, Wii was $150 cheaper than a 360 and the Switch was $100 cheaper than the PS4 ($200 with the Lite). You can get a PS5 cheaper than a Switch 2 which is a problem, especially since almost all the third party stuff is available on PS5.
 
jray4559 said:
35 dollars for a fucking plug and cord. At this point we should be thanking our lucky stars that Nintendo doesn't make you buy it seperately like Apple does, Nintendo would totally pull that stunt too if they think they'd get away with it.
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You lose this thing or the cat decides it's an evil snake that must be killed and you are out $35. I didn't even think of how much they might nickel and dime people on a stupid adaptor. I guess they know that you can't start paying for video chat, online play and game "upgrades" right out of the box if you can't even plug the damn thing in.
 
Hermione Granger said:
Not only did Nintendo unleashing 80-90 dollars games, but they also release third-party games on fake game cards.

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I did a bit of research and apparently the (rumored) reason why this stupid "Game-Key Card" shit exists is because Nintendo is only offering three kinds of game cartridges: 8 GB, 64GB, and Game-Key Carts.

For the Switch 1, Nintendo currently offers 1-32GB game cartridges. They planned on introducing the 64GB cartridge in like 2018 but shelved the idea until the Switch 2. Currently, there are only 5 games that actually use the 32GB cartridge: The Witcher 3, Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster (Asia Only, US and EU got a 16 GB cart with a DLC code), Dragon Quest Heroes I & II (Japan only), Attack on Titan 2: Final Battle, and SD Gundam G Generation: Cross Rays.

The reason why only 5 games took advantage of the 32GB size is because a 32GB Switch cartridge costs 60% more than a 50GB PS4 game disc.
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(according to this insider who works at firm that analyzes the Asia/MENA gaming markets)

Cartridges are expensive, which is why the industry largely did away with them in the 5th gen. Nintendo held on for the N64 which gave it a drastically smaller library compared to the PS1 because of just how much it cost to produce cartridges ($2 in modern money to make a PS1 disc, $60 to make an N64 cart).

The Switch 2's cartridges are even faster than the Switch 1's, for more demanding hardware, so offering very few cartridge sizes is a cost-saving measure on the part of both Nintendo and the devs.

It only seems like Nintendo games are breaking this trend since the new Mario Kart is only 24GB, which probably explains the increased price, it's a result of them needing to manufacture custom cartridges for it.
 
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Neil said:
I did a bit of research and apparently the (rumored) reason why this stupid "Game-Key Card" shit exists is because Nintendo is only offering three kinds of game cartridges: 8 GB, 64GB, and Game-Key Carts.
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That's SUCH a fucking Nintendo thing to do :story:
 
Neil said:
I did a bit of research and apparently the (rumored) reason why this stupid "Game-Key Card" shit exists is because Nintendo is only offering three kinds of game cartridges: 8 GB, 64GB, and Game-Key Carts.
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The game key card situation is weird. Daemon X Machina Titanic Scion is a Game-Key Card in Japan with a 22 GB requirement, but it isn't in the US, it's all on the cart. Unless of course the Amazon listing for the US version is incorrect.
 
There's only one explanation why the Game-Key Cards are being pushed as the default choice: anti-preservation and anti-resell. They don't have the game on them, so resellers will just be selling useless carts that have a one-time license to the original buyer only, and at any time they can just render the cart moot and prevent it from being played.
 
Danann said:
There's only one explanation why the Game-Key Cards are being pushed as the default choice: anti-preservation and anti-resell. They don't have the game on them, so resellers will just be selling useless carts that have a one-time license to the original buyer only, and at any time they can just render the cart moot and prevent it from being played.
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Anti leak too, if a seller breaks street date they can just make the key useless until the game launches
 
Danann said:
There's only one explanation why the Game-Key Cards are being pushed as the default choice: anti-preservation and anti-resell. They don't have the game on them, so resellers will just be selling useless carts that have a one-time license to the original buyer only, and at any time they can just render the cart moot and prevent it from being played.
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Your second point about reselling makes perfect sense.

Your first point about anti-preservation is a schizo take. None of these companies are against preservation. Their crime is that they likely don't even think about it. But who is going to be sitting there at corporate planning how to prevent you from getting the game after a certain point in time? That isn't happening.
 
Danann said:
There's only one explanation why the Game-Key Cards are being pushed as the default choice: anti-preservation and anti-resell. They don't have the game on them, so resellers will just be selling useless carts that have a one-time license to the original buyer only, and at any time they can just render the cart moot and prevent it from being played.
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It’s not linked to the buyer. It’s linked to you being able to put it in a Switch 2 or likely and connecting to the net. Until that stops there is value.
 
Danann said:
There's only one explanation why the Game-Key Cards are being pushed as the default choice: anti-preservation and anti-resell. They don't have the game on them, so resellers will just be selling useless carts that have a one-time license to the original buyer only, and at any time they can just render the cart moot and prevent it from being played.
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Here's the actual reason: Fast-carts or whatever they're called are expensive to make and not enough of them are available since the tech has been largely stillborn up until this point.

Edit: Also, you're wrong on re-selling, game keys or whatever they're called can be resold and will work in whichever Switch 2 they are plugged into as long as the servers are still up.
 
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Neil said:
The reason why only 5 games took advantage of the 32GB size is because a 32GB Switch cartridge costs 60% more than a 50GB PS4 game disc.
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(according to this insider who works at firm that analyzes the Asia/MENA gaming markets)

Cartridges are expensive, which is why the industry largely did away with them in the 5th gen. Nintendo held on for the N64 which gave it a drastically smaller library compared to the PS1 because of just how much it cost to produce cartridges ($2 in modern money to make a PS1 disc, $60 to make an N64 cart).
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Nintendo is really their own worst enemy, and it seems to always happen right around the time where they get too cocky.

Are we sure Nintendo is not in the red? That might explain why they're REALLY jacking up the prices for all of their shit because they bet the entire fucking farm on cartridges and now they are fucked while using convenient scapegoats (e.g. tariffs) to cover their ass while getting back all the money they lost.
 
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