Nintendo Switch 2 - For the Soytendo consoomers to speculate about the successor to the Switch, recently announced for 2025.

[McKennai]

Fuck Reddit for creating a generation of consumerist retarded manchildren.

https://x.com/soomlarr/status/1915616818141548959

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[yt]

On a side note pre-ordering the Switch 2 has been pretty much a breeze.

 

[IrishGuy088]

Was passing through the highlights, just wanted to call you a retard since I've seen and made rebuttables to this non-argument too many times to care too much anymore.

This guy totally got his pre-order the other day.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

It will be less pronounced though as the Switch audience isn't nearly as bad as the DS/Wii audience. But you're right in that Nintendo tries to appeal to the masses more. This is why their consoles are also the cheapest (and why the price will fuck them here. If you can get a PS5 for less than a Switch 2, thats a massive issue).

I agree with that. If they release a Switch 2 Lite fast enough they can avoid a price drop too.

People forget that the vast majority of Switch's sales came from COVID. Sales for FY 2019 (so 3/31/19) were 17 million. FY 2020 was 21million. FY21 was 28 million. 22 was 23 million. Then it went back down to 18. Those three quarters were half of all Switch sales and COVID probably accounts for 50 million in sales at least. There is a reason Animal Crossing is one of the biggest games on the system. Without COVID, it's going to be hard to even come close to Switch 1's sales. This also says nothing for the fact that most of the sales later in life were the OLED model.

It was a perfect storm for Switch, it launched with BotW and then COVID hit with Animal Crossing. I really think MKW is a bad choice for a launch game, worse than BotW.

We can kind of see this already in the preorders. Online preorders were almost impossible to get (likely not helped by scalpers) but brick and mortar stores had plenty. The true casual game isn't getting this thing. It's the terminally online Tendies that have to have Mario Kart day 1. Now, there are a lot of those people, but once Nintendo burns through them, it's going to slow down. The people that bought Animal Crossing during COVID or bought Smash for their kid aren't going to spend $150 more for the console and $10-20 more for the games. They are far more price sensitive.

There may be a Christmas bump but yeah, it's going to slow down for those reasons.

Switch was also more of a successor to the wiiu than the 3ds though, along with it being far more uncertain territory in terms of how successful it would be.

I suppose, but it was kind of a successor to both. I think it was always going to be a success in relative terms compared to Wii U, but it was definitely questionable if it would be as successful as 3DS. There's more combined sales potential with two consoles as proven by the Wii/DS combo too, so they sacrificed that to play safe. Switch seemed like a desperate move.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

I agree with that. If they release a Switch 2 Lite fast enough they can avoid a price drop too.

I would say to expect to see the Switch 2 Lite in about 2-3 years. They need the prices of components to drop before they can make the Lite and have it be at a decent price.

 

[Licker of Marie Rose]

$450 isn't that much at all. It's justified considering the console is more powerful and not an actual potato like the switch 1.

The whole "you are going to buy it anyways" is retarded cope. The Switch 2 has no games that you can't easily find just as good substitute for in Switch 1 or PC. No one is going to buy a Switch 2 for fucking Donkey Kong or another iteration of Mario Kart (besides maybe autistic niggers that buy every Madden game). Switch was carried by Zelda BotW which was the most astroturfed game of the last decade as well as Animal Crossing that was similarly overhyped, until the Switch 2 gets a game worth playing the only customers for it would be diehard Nintendo fans and scalpers.

Cope. Mario Kart is much bigger than Zelda and animal crossing. Mario Kart has consistently been the best selling game on most Nintendo consoles. Switch 2 will be successful.

I would say to expect to see the Switch 2 Lite in about 2-3 years. They need the prices of components to drop before they can make the Lite and have it be at a decent price.

I doubt Lite will happen unless it's cloud only. Switch 2 is too powerful for a lite version to work. The console needs to be larger for the batteries and fans required to run it. Remember that there's a good chance the switch 2 is more power than the PS4. There's no way they could make a lite model without an abysmal battery life

 

[Markorian]

I would say to expect to see the Switch 2 Lite in about 2-3 years. They need the prices of components to drop before they can make the Lite and have it be at a decent price.

Switch lite was released September 2019, so 2 1/2 years later. Holiday 2027 seems like a decent bet for a switch 2 lite, just by not including the dock, that alone shaves the price down to $350. Shouldn't be too hard to strip things down enough to bring it down to $250 by then, and hopefully, it takes until 2027 for the next pokemon to come out, but I fear they're gonna try and rush it for 2026.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

I wonder why people argue this when it is impossible to know. For internet points? Further than it being impossible to know, who actually gives a shit what the result is? It will either succeed or fail regardless of what any of us think. Everyone should just sit back, relax, and either enjoy the carnage as people rip each other apart to get one, or the shitshow if it fails.

Switch lite was released September 2019, so 2 1/2 years later. Holiday 2027 seems like a decent bet for a switch 2 lite, just by not including the dock, that alone shaves the price down to $350. Shouldn't be too hard to strip things down enough to bring it down to $250 by then, and hopefully, it takes until 2027 for the next pokemon to come out, but I fear they're gonna try and rush it for 2026.

I'd say Holiday 2027 sounds right, and I'd guess $300 rather than $250. With inflation and tariffs, etc... I don't see them getting it down to $250.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I would say to expect to see the Switch 2 Lite in about 2-3 years. They need the prices of components to drop before they can make the Lite and have it be at a decent price.

Do they really though? This thing is already overpriced, they could probably just sell it at cost and still make a profit just through subscriptions, game sales, accessories, etc. The competition actually often sells at a loss.

$450 isn't that much at all. It's justified considering the console is more powerful and not an actual potato like the switch 1.

It's too much for what's on offer, it's a bad value proposition.

Cope. Mario Kart is much bigger than Zelda and animal crossing. Mario Kart has consistently been the best selling game on most Nintendo consoles. Switch 2 will be successful.

It will be successful but it won't be a runaway success like DS, Wii, or Switch. It'll be a success in the neighborhood of 3DS.

I doubt Lite will happen unless it's cloud only. Switch 2 is too powerful for a lite version to work. The console needs to be larger for the batteries and fans required to run it. Remember that there's a good chance the switch 2 is more power than the PS4. There's no way they could make a lite model without an abysmal battery life

Digital only maybe, but not cloud, and while it may need to still be on the beefier side for a "Lite" I don't doubt they could do trim it down significantly.

 

[Licker of Marie Rose]

I wonder why people argue this when it is impossible to know. For internet points? Further than it being impossible to know, who actually gives a shit what the result is? It will either succeed or fail regardless of what any of us think. Everyone should just sit back, relax, and either enjoy the carnage as people rip each other apart to get one, or the shitshow if it fails.

It's the newest outrage porn being milked for Internet clout. No one had an issue with PlayStation or Xbox having consoles over $400, but when Nintendo does it suddenly it's the worst thing ever. No one had an issue with PlayStation charging $80 a year for online. Yet when Nintendo offers online for far cheaper they're evil for locking voice chat behind a paywall?

There are some legitimate reasons to dislike modern Nintendo such as some overly mediocre and disappointing releases, yet any valid complaints are being overshadowed by autistic Internet mobs

@SSj_Ness (Yiffed)

It's too much for what's on offer, it's a bad value proposition.

No, it's not. The console is a bit more powerful than the PS4 from what we've seen and it functions as both a high end handheld (more powerful than the steam deck which launched cor $600) and a decent console. The games seem to be extremely well optimized and run at 120fps which is more than the average PS5 game. The joycons have new mouse functionality. It was most likely an extremely expensive console to produce and if they made it any cheaper they'd be losing significant amounts of money.

It will be successful but it won't be a runaway success like DS, Wii, or Switch. It'll be a success in the neighborhood of 3DS.

I agree. I predict it'll sell around 80-100 million.

Digital only maybe, but not cloud, and while it may need to still be on the beefier side for a "Lite" I don't doubt they could do trim it down significantly.

It already has a 2-6 hour battery life in its current form. Probably 2 hours for higher end games. A lite would have an atrocious battery life.

 

[Markorian]

I'd say Holiday 2027 sounds right, and I'd guess $300 rather than $250. With inflation and tariffs, etc... I don't see them getting it down to $250.

I went back and forth between $300 and $250, and I feel like after a massive launch, switch 2 sales will probably stall enough that they'll push the price of the lite down, the lite is definitely less intended to make a profit on hardware and more to sell software to people priced out of the main console, usually small kids or households with multiple children that each want one of their own.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Thought you would be in a better mood with the most recent feature, they arrested the guy who tortured some of your relatives.

Absolutely wtf dude. Go touch grass.

Cope. Mario Kart is much bigger than Zelda and animal crossing. Mario Kart has consistently been the best selling game on most Nintendo consoles. Switch 2 will be successful.

Buying a 450$ console for a glorified party game that looks extremely similar like the previous one and costs 1.5 times as much sounds very unlikely.

 

[mrs thickness]

Zelda BotW which was the most astroturfed game of the last decade

i dont even like botw or the new animal crossing, but shit like this just makes you come across like someone who replies to himself on 4chan. maybe you want the reddit safe space if the downvotes over brown child performative outrage console warring is finally getting too hot to handle, mr. 4000+ posts a year

 

[Licker of Marie Rose]

Absolutely wtf dude. Go touch grass.

Buying a 450$ console for a glorified party game that looks extremely similar like the previous one and costs 1.5 times as much sounds very unlikely.

Nintendo is more popular than Sony. The switch oiled was 50 more than the switch and has done extremely well. More people are going to be willing to spend $450 on a switch 2 than a PS5. Nintendo software sells are better than most third party games

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

i dont even like botw or the new animal crossing, but shit like this just makes you come across like someone who replies to himself on 4chan. maybe you want the reddit safe space if the downvotes over brown child performative outrage console warring is finally getting too hot to handle, mr. 4000+ posts a year

Personal attacks keep on going by the Nintendo faggots.

Nintendo is more popular than Sony. The switch oiled was 50 more than the switch and has done extremely well. More people are going to be willing to spend $450 on a switch 2 than a PS5. Nintendo software sells are better than most third party games

No one mentioned Sony.

It all keeps going back to console wars that are fought one sidedly by the Nintendo side.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

I think the one part about the Switch 2 that many people feel sore over is that it isn't OLED, which is a downgrade from the second hardware revision of the Switch, and people just know they are going to come out with one.

 

[umseriously]

After looking so much at the discourse online on whether the switch 2 will be a bomb or massive success, I went outside to actually get a ground floor look at how the Switch 2 was doing.

On the day of the switch 2 preorders, I went to my local GameStop and took a look at the line outside. There was at least 10 people there. There was an elderly man with a cane at the front while a blonde kid was sitting by himself with a switch lite in the middle. Besides that, I saw a bunch of middle aged adults and young gamer bros waiting in line. I might have saw 1 woman in line. Keep in mind this was about 2 hours before the store was about to open.

Based on this lineup, I can see that Nintendo is currently aiming for the hardcore gamer crowd while also attracting the casuals too. As for what this means for the success of Nintendo, I think it actually bodes pretty well. If Nintendo can keep kids engaged with its brand, it'll stay alive. It might not do banger numbers like previous generations, but it'll still be a extremely popular product. Even if it may take little Timmy a bit longer to get that new Nintendo console, he'll still wait to get it.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The console is a bit more powerful than the PS4 from what we've seen and it functions as both a high end handheld (more powerful than the steam deck which launched cor $600) and a decent console.

What makes you think it's more powerful than Steam Deck, which Digital Foundry found to be almost on par with Xbox Series S? We don't know if Switch 2 is stronger than PS4, but if it is it's probably closer to PS4 Pro than XBSS. We're getting on to Xbox 5 in a year or two, and you're thinking PS4 Pro is worth $450 just because it's portable?

And no, Steam Deck didn't launch at $600, it was $400 if you took the lower memory option. Switch 2 has no business being weaker and more expensive than the several years old Steam Deck.

The games seem to be extremely well optimized and run at 120fps which is more than the average PS5 game. The joycons have new mouse functionality. It was most likely an extremely expensive console to produce and if they made it any cheaper they'd be losing significant amounts of money.

To achieve 120fps I expect worse graphics than any other console version of the game, or at best equal to Xbox One versions, and of course it won't be a constant 120fps. Though I'll admit optimization does seem good.

Nintendo has a track record of making profitable consoles, I'm sure that's holding true. They could just take less or no profit and still make tons of money.

I agree. I predict it'll sell around 80-100 million.

I think that sounds about right, give or take based on how much they improve the library and what their revisions are like.

It already has a 2-6 hour battery life in its current form. Probably 2 hours for higher end games. A lite would have an atrocious battery life.

Switch Lite actually ended up having a better battery life than the Switch, so I'd expect the same here or unchanged. Worst case scenario it's negligibly impacted.

Nintendo is more popular than Sony. The switch oiled was 50 more than the switch and has done extremely well. More people are going to be willing to spend $450 on a switch 2 than a PS5. Nintendo software sells are better than most third party games

Nintendo is more popular than Sony? Maybe, depends on how you look at it, and from what timeframe. If we're looking at just 2017 onwards, I think so, but dial it back to 2012 and that's questionable.

Popularity only takes you so far anyway. Ultimately a library sells a console, and that's the biggest problem right now. I'm quite a Nintendo fan, but even I'm not very excited by the offerings. This may change as we learn of what's coming in the next few months.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

After looking so much at the discourse online on whether the switch 2 will be a bomb or massive success, I went outside to actually get a ground floor look at how the Switch 2 was doing.

On the day of the switch 2 preorders, I went to my local GameStop and took a look at the line outside. There was at least 10 people there. There was an elderly man with a cane at the front while a blonde kid was sitting by himself with a switch lite in the middle. Besides that, I saw a bunch of middle aged adults and young gamer bros waiting in line. I might have saw 1 woman in line. Keep in mind this was about 2 hours before the store was about to open.

Based on this lineup, I can see that Nintendo is currently aiming for the hardcore gamer crowd while also attracting the casuals too. As for what this means for the success of Nintendo, I think it actually bodes pretty well. If Nintendo can keep kids engaged with its brand, it'll stay alive. It might not do banger numbers like previous generations, but it'll still be a extremely popular product. Even if it may take little Timmy a bit longer to get that new Nintendo console, he'll still wait to get it.

You figure gramps is a hardcore gamer, one of the OG gamers that got started with Pong and he was hooked?

 

[umseriously]

You figure gramps is a hardcore gamer, one of the OG gamers that got started with Pong and he was hooked?

He looked really old, like 70, so probably.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

What makes you think it's more powerful than Steam Deck, which Digital Foundry found to be almost on par with Xbox Series S? We don't know if Switch 2 is stronger than PS4, but if it is it's probably closer to PS4 Pro than XBSS. We're getting on to Xbox 5 in a year or two, and you're thinking PS4 Pro is worth $450 just because it's portable?

I've been able to nail down the power of the Switch 2 to almost exactly 1/2 the power of a desktop GeForce RTX 3050. If you can somehow translate console performance into an equivalent PC graphics card, you should be able to make a fairly accurate comparison of power with Sony & Xbox.