Nintendo Switch 2 - For the Soytendo consoomers to speculate about the successor to the Switch, recently announced for 2025.

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LightDragonman1 said:
I must say, it is interesting how Nintendo has been leaning in to giving their games anime-styled vocal themes as of late.
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Oh the whole musical women songs aren't just a Bananza thing, huh... For me, not really a fan of songs with lyrics in video games, so it turns me off on it. Obviously the easy conclusion to jump on is that this is just Nintendo trying to be more and more like Disney, but maybe there's a little bit more. I think the 1-UP Girl song and Odyssey in general being so popular is what swung it. Lyrics are easier to create a brainworm with that'll stick and plant the root of nostalgia that they'll milk you and/or your kids for down the line.
 
So done with the white woman vocal themes in Nintendo games since Odyssey and Smash. Give it a fucking rest guys
Looks like this game will be as barren on content as the original Kirby Air Ride. I loved that game but it was barren as fuck and there'd better be some World of Light story mode to justify this new game...I'm not optimistic. It seriously looks like the exact same shit as the game 20 years ago, they didn't even have an option to make the City Trial minigame a gauntlet of minigames instead of just one? It's like Sakurai was realising midway through the direct that his game design sucked.
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
Can Sakurai finally be unrestrained and make a game he wants to make again? The man has been placed in Smash hell for a decade and now this.
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Good, get him back into the SSB mines immediately lol.

Mike Matei's Penis said:
So done with the white woman vocal themes in Nintendo games since Odyssey and Smash. Give it a fucking rest guys
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At least it's not a nigger
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
As for F-ZERO, there isn't enough interest for it regardless of what Smashtards claim. It is a racer with heavy difficulty that will turn off most casuals. Nintendo themselves have struggled to do anything with the IP as it sits in the DK and Metroid range of needing another studio to build it. They have tried getting devs for a new entry, particularly the Burnout devs during the Wii U, but they had too much going on to work on it. Unless SEGA decides to work with Nintendo again for it or they get the Fast RMX devs on it, I doubt we will ever see the IP again.
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You're high. There is absolutely enough interest in F-Zero to make a new one, more than enough. It's not even "smashtards" that want a new F-Zero, it's fans of F-Zero that want a new F-Zero because it's easily one of the very best racing series of games that exists, actually one of the best series of games ever as a whole. There is no such thing as a bad F-Zero game which is why I think Nintendo is so concerned about never making a new one again, they don't want to ruin the series' perfect track record. How can you rationalize Nintendo never making a new F-Zero game, despite it being probably the most demanded first party game Nintendo has atm when you also point out how Nintendo made new entries in Advanced Wars, Another Code, Endless Ocean, Clubhouse 51, and Famicam Detective Club? Do you seriously believe that there is more demand for a new Famicom Detective Club than there is for a new F-Zero? You're crazy.
 
All I want is for the assholes at nintendo to give me back Mario 35 aka the only online game besides Chivalry 2 I've ever been any good at.
 
LightDragonman1 said:
If anything, the theme for Bananza was the closest to a Disney song in terms of feel.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xHXIlHn4C6U
Between that, Mario Odyssey, the latest Fire Emblem games, Smash Ultimate, and now Kirby Air Riders, Nintendo really loves them some vocal themes. The more anime-esque the better.
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This music doesn't match the game at all, it should be in a horror movie or drama:

 
BullfrogBill said:
You're high. There is absolutely enough interest in F-Zero to make a new one, more than enough. It's not even "smashtards" that want a new F-Zero, it's fans of F-Zero that want a new F-Zero because it's easily one of the very best racing series of games that exists, actually one of the best series of games ever as a whole. There is no such thing as a bad F-Zero game which is why I think Nintendo is so concerned about never making a new one again, they don't want to ruin the series' perfect track record. How can you rationalize Nintendo never making a new F-Zero game, despite it being probably the most demanded first party game Nintendo has atm when you also point out how Nintendo made new entries in Advanced Wars, Another Code, Endless Ocean, Clubhouse 51, and Famicam Detective Club? Do you seriously believe that there is more demand for a new Famicom Detective Club than there is for a new F-Zero? You're crazy.
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I fucking love the F-Zero series. GX is one of the best racing games ever made. X holds up impressively well for an n64 game. The original completely blows super mario kart out of the water. The GBA titles also take a big, fat shit on super circuit. 99 is extremely fun, and has a crazy amount of effort put into it, even bringing back the lost media satellaview tracks. I could go on and on about how great the series is, but if I did without mentioning the elephant in the room, it would be nothing but disingenuous bloviating. The only major success in the franchise's history was the original. Don't get me wrong, X and the first GBA game also sold just over 1 million, and 1 million back then and 1 million today are very different things, but HALF of the entire series sales come from the SNES original. GX is phenomenal, but it was a flop (yes, I know about the Nagoshi interview where he claimed 1.5 million, but Nagoshi himself has had some issues with being a trustworthy source in the past, is the only source of this number, comes from a random aside in a single interview with him 15 years after the game came out, and is also completely impossible given the data we DO have). The second GBA game didn't come close to cracking 200k. The last-released game in the series that wasn't a free to play title barely scraped by 5k sales. Not 50k. 5k. To pretend the vast majority of F-Zero's popularity and cultural legacy doesn't come from smash when ultimate alone sold 5x the entire series combined is just asinine and delusional, and the smash audience is notoriously fickle when it comes to actually supporting the games a character is from. All of this is only compounded when you think about how expensive game development is nowadays compared to how much it was 25 years ago. Nintendo still keeps budgets reasonable compared to everyone else, but they're not immune to this. And if you think a vn like famicom detective club has anything even close to the budget a modern hd F-Zero would require, I'm sorry, there's no reasoning with you.

For a glimmer of hope, I do think 99 was an attempt to actually gauge the popularity of the series today divorced from smash bros, which shows they're at least interested in potentially bringing it back.
 
Markorian said:
To pretend the vast majority of F-Zero's popularity and cultural legacy doesn't come from smash when ultimate alone sold 5x the entire series combined is just asinine and delusional, and the smash audience is notoriously fickle when it comes to actually supporting the games a character is from
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Forget about Smash Bros fans. They have nothing to do with people wanting an F-Zero game. How many Smash Bros exclusive fans have been demanding a new Ice Climbers game? Zero, because no one likes Ice Climbers but there are people that like them in Smash Bros. Even if F-Zero GX wasn't as big when it came out, it is undoubtably a huge cult classic now. That is a good recipe for a revival with a new game if it's handled correctly, pretending that F-Zero wouldn't be an easy smash hit for Nintendo right now would be asinine and delusional. Especially since, again, Nintendo has been releasing dumb shitty fucking games based on IPs that no one even knows about, that shit wasn't a hit when they came out but Nintendo still made new games for them. Yet F-Zero has an extremely loud amount of actual fans who play the games demanding a new F-Zero game for years and Nintendo refuses. It's a really dumb business move from Nintendo.

You yourself said that F-Zero shits on every Mario Kart game, do you think more people today aren't aware of that? Nintendo actually needs a big racing game that shits all over Mario Kart now more than ever because Mario Kart World on Switch 2 is absolute garbage and a massive disappointment. Now more than ever is the time to release a new F-Zero game but I think Nintendo isn't confident that they can make or produce an F-Zero game that doesn't suck these days. If they did release an F-Zero game that sucked it would be a huge blow because it would be the first bad F-Zero game ever made. F-Zero 99 was made purely to throw F-Zero fans (yes they exist, there's more American F-Zero fans than there are American Fire Emblem fans and it's not even close) a bone, as if they were saying "yeah we feel for you" because while F-Zero is a new game in the series with new mechanics, it's still derivative of the old games and is much easier to be confident that it wasn't going to suck and ruin the series track record. I hope they at least continue to make content for F-Zero 99 forever if they aren't going to make a proper new modern F-Zero game.
 
My take is airiders looks like easily the best switch 2 game, not amazing though. A lot of city trial is flat and boring (mostly the city part) Items are still png when they could be slowly revoving objects or something. Could use a couple more characters like the animal trio or taranza.
Still leagues above mk world tho.
 
BullfrogBill said:
pretending that F-Zero wouldn't be an easy smash hit for Nintendo right now would be asinine and delusional.
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Did you somehow miss the part about the last game in the series that wasn't a free to play download BARELY cracking 5,000 copies lifetime? Name another series that WOULDN'T get put on ice for 20 years after a disaster like that. Name a series that would continue to even get representation in smash bros after something like that. Name another series that would get something like F-Zero 99 after a catastrophic flop like that.
BullfrogBill said:
Yet F-Zero has an extremely loud amount of actual fans who play the games demanding a new F-Zero game
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Yes, F-Zero fans are loud, but not numerous. Fact is, the last three times they released an F-Zero game, the fans didn't fucking show up, and it only got exponentially worse with each release. I really hope 99 did well enough that they consider a brand new entry, I'm absolutely jonesing for one. You can't seriously think it's unreasonable to be cagey and apprehensive about the series when the last one sold less than 1% lifetime of what the virtual boy sold though.
 
Just remaster GX and put in some new cars and tracks and stuff and online, I don't even want an actual new one since they'd only fuck it up anyway. Also do Wave Race and Punch Out.
 
Markorian said:
Did you somehow miss the part about the last game in the series that wasn't a free to play download BARELY cracking 5,000 copies lifetime? Name another series that WOULDN'T get put on ice for 20 years after a disaster like that. Name a series that would continue to even get representation in smash bros after something like that. Name another series that would get something like F-Zero 99 after a catastrophic flop like that.
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They released three Mode 7 F-Zero games on the GBA within the span of three years. Of course Climax was going to bomb. I highly doubt the dramatically waning sales figures in Japan were a reflection of Japan's interest in the series - just their interest in the Mode 7 stuff, which would obviously be lower when compared to X/GX.

The way Nintendo handled F-Zero during the sixth console generation was completely retarded and the responsibility for its failure rests entirely on their shoulders. Their play with the anime was obviously a move to capitalise on the success of the Pokemon anime, yet Pokemon is a much, much larger series than F-Zero, and F-Zero clearly isn't a series that appeals to children.

I'm doubtful that we're going to get a successor to GX, but not because of financial reasons. There haven't been more eyes on Nintendo than there are currently, and Nintendo have accommodated for this by trying to make games that appeal to both their hardcore and casual audiences. You can make this approach work for most their series except for F-Zero, which is firmly rooted within a hardcore gameplay style. You can already see the failings of this design philosophy with Pikmin 4, which didn't do much to appeal to new or returning fans by aggressively handling the player with safety gloves. An F-Zero game made with this same philosophy would be disastrous.
 
Zaireeka said:
I'm doubtful that we're going to get a successor to GX, but not because of financial reasons.
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I think its a mix of financial and no one wanting to take on the IP for Nintendo. If SEGA came in and pitched a new one, they would most likely allow it, otherwise, Nintendo really has no incentive to. The games were never major sellers past the original, so any attempt to reignite the series will be based purely on another's willingness to give it another round.

This mentality tracks with Nintendo's current strategy when it comes to their bizarre revivals. Most have had another dev come in for them.
  • Advanced Wars - WayForward
  • Endless Ocean - Arika (same devs as original, but back to try and do an asset flip of a mobile title)
  • Another Code - Arc System Works
  • Famicon Detective Club - MAGES

BullfrogBill said:
Nintendo has atm when you also point out how Nintendo made new entries in Advanced Wars, Another Code, Endless Ocean, Clubhouse 51, and Famicam Detective Club? Do you seriously believe that there is more demand for a new Famicom Detective Club than there is for a new F-Zero?
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I put in the original post that Nintendo would need to pawn it off. If I had to take a guess at potential devs, would say either the Fast RMX team or SEGA returning. The only way the titles you listed got a second chance was due to this with the exception of Clubhouse 51, a very poor choice for the example as the DS game alone makes up nearly half of the total sales of all F-ZERO titles.

Should point out that these are heavily budget titles. The graphics on all are super cheap and content is fairly minimal. They wouldn't be able to get away with this level of production on an F-ZERO title quite literally for the reason you posted:
BullfrogBill said:
There is no such thing as a bad F-Zero game which is why I think Nintendo is so concerned about never making a new one again, they don't want to ruin the series' perfect track record.
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The audience to production cost ratio isn't seen as worth it. Other series like Kid Icarus and Star Fox got hit with the same issue, they are too big to go cost-cutting, but are franchises that sell maybe around a modest 1 million these days.

BullfrogBill said:
You yourself said that F-Zero shits on every Mario Kart game, do you think more people today aren't aware of that? Nintendo actually needs a big racing game that shits all over Mario Kart now more than ever because Mario Kart World on Switch 2 is absolute garbage and a massive disappointment.
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No, majority of Mario Kart's userbase does not.

They are different games entirely, with Mario Kart being a way bigger hit given how easily accessible it is by comparison. You are not going to move the casuals off Mario Kart and onto a high intensity racer with notorious difficulty. This is a big reason why Nintendo is apprehensive about the series as it is by no means casual friendly.

If anything were to actually compete with Mario Kart, and mind you with a giant asterisk here, it would be Sonic Racing. It is the only other racer that fits Mario's general style and with a large cast of recognizable characters while not being a budget title.
 
Markorian said:
And if you think a vn like famicom detective club has anything even close to the budget a modern hd F-Zero would require, I'm sorry, there's no reasoning with you.
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They could probably modify MKW to save a lot of time & resources.

Dammit Mandrake! said:
F-Zero should become a third-person shooter/crime solving game with driving elements.

I'm... mostly not kidding? I'd play that.
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F-Zero Adventures, it'd be a Zelda clone like Star Fox Adventures was, with racing segments sprinkled in.
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
They are different games entirely, with Mario Kart being a way bigger hit given how easily accessible it is by comparison. You are not going to move the casuals off Mario Kart and onto a high intensity racer with notorious difficulty. This is a big reason why Nintendo is apprehensive about the series as it is by no means casual friendly.
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So you're essentially saying that Nintendo knows it can't produce a good F-Zero game because all of their modern games are churned out garbage with no passion (aka casual friendly) and F-Zero is probably the only franchise Nintendo has that hasn't been turned into soulless slop.

I'd argue that F-Zero is very "casual friendly" as everyone I've played the games with are casual people, not professional competitive gamers. F-Zero is about as difficult and competitive as Super Smash Bros is. The way you're using the term, "casual" means low effort dogshit scams like Mario Kart World. Not real games.

I really hope Metroid Prime 4 is actually good and doesn't suck shit, that series is my last remaining connection with Nintendo. I have no interest in their lazy, boring, wannabe Disney games.
 
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