Disaster No one can figure out why the Atlantic Ocean is cooling at record speed - But somehow more taxes and regulations will help with climate that they dont understand yep

The Atlantic Ocean is cooling at an exponential rate, and nobody is sure why. It’s been more than a year of record-high global sea temperatures, including being close to the collapse of the AMOC. Despite those troubles, though, the Atlantic is now experiencing something quite baffling—temperatures are cooling, and scientists are scrambling to figure out what’s going on.

The ocean typically changes temperature throughout the year. However, this year, scientists say that the emerging “Atlantic Niña” has happened a lot quicker than in the past. The new pattern also appears to be coming ahead of the expected transition to a much cooler La Niña in the Pacific Ocean. While the cooling temperatures are very welcome, they may also cause some different weather effects around the world.

The change in the Atlantic’s cooling rate brings an end to the 15-month streak of record-high ocean temperatures. And with El Niño fading away in May and La Niña set to kick off and develop between September and November, the colder waters will be driven up by stronger winds coming in from along the equator.

It is the potential of two La Niñas that has scientists so intrigued about what the climate and ocean temperatures will look like for the rest of the year, especially since the record-high temperatures have gone on for so long. There’s also a lot of unpredictability here that has left scientists scrambling, too, and while a La Niña in the Atlantic isn’t wholly unexpected, scientists don’t seem to have been expecting it this year.

And with the Atlantic’s cooling rate already speeding up and the Pacific set to start cooling off in the next couple of months, we’re likely going to end up with a bit of a “tug of war” between the two oceans as they fight to cool themselves off, scientists say.


 
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A major problem with this article is that they don't specify what part of the Atlantic this is supposedly happening in.

It's the second largest ocean spanning from the tip of South America up past Greenland and over to the West Coast of Africa and Europe. It's a big fucking ocean and it doesn't just have some uniform mechanism of change. Not hard to see why this latest story is vague and devoid of actual facts.

Where and when did they take the temp readings? At what depth? What are the current temps like when compared to previous years? None of these basic questions are addressed in this "article".

The whole thing sounds like cope for the fact that people are figuring out that the whole "global warming" narrative is bullshit.
 
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Battlefield2142EU said:
Iceman pissed marvel turned him gay.
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I'd be too, Iceman's problem was that he was on a Superhero team surrounded with Alphas and Chads and a Blonde Haired, Blue Eyed Billionaire with angel wings. The man was never going to be lucky with the ladies. I'd freeze the fucking oceans too.
 
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Bog-standard Poster said:
When the seas cool, it stops the mid-Atlantic conveyor (warm water swashing between South America and Europe).
When that stops, there's an ice age or at least super cold spell. The last one happened in 1860 ish when the Thames River (the big one in london) froze so thick for so long that they built a market and fairground on it.
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>all those ev's that everyone is driving
Fucking kek, though now I may have to guard my car should that come to be.
 
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Bog-standard Poster said:
When the seas cool, it stops the mid-Atlantic conveyor (warm water swashing between South America and Europe).
When that stops, there's an ice age or at least super cold spell. The last one happened in 1860 ish when the Thames River (the big one in london) froze so thick for so long that they built a market and fairground on it.
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If that's the case something interesting might finally happen for a change.
 
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More AWS-8Q Than You said:
Maybe this has something to do with it? Also that raging faggot Michael Mann was on the study that discovered the AMO, now that it's fucking with his Climate Doom predictions "It doesn't exist."
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That's not what he said. The concern is that there are other researchers that detrend the AMO by removing any linear increase from the data before plotting it.

Basically, his concern, and the primary concern of other climatologists, is that people ignore the fact that an AMO 0.5 degree cooling is not net cooling to the SST, but relative cooling of the SST that is already significantly warmer than pre industrial levels.
 
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That's not what he said. The concern is that there are other researchers that detrend the AMO by removing any linear increase from the data before plotting it.

Basically, his concern, and the primary concern of other climatologists, is that people ignore the fact that an AMO 0.5 degree cooling is not net cooling to the SST, but relative cooling of the SST that is already significantly warmer than pre industrial levels.
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From the blog post cited:
Concluding Thoughts:

There are several lessons in this tale. One is that scientists must always be open to revising past thinking. That is part of the critical scientific process---what the great Carl Sagan referred to as the "self-correcting machinery" of science. Two decades ago there seemed to be both observational evidence and modeling evidence (if rather limited) for the existence of a multidecadal AMO oscillation in the climate system. My own work supported that interpretation, and indeed it was I who gave this beast a name: the "Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation" or simply "AMO. The scientific community ran with the concept, and some scientists---even some at our leading research laboratories like the aforementioned GFDL—continued to misapply it in a way that downplays some critical climate change impacts like the warming of the North Atlantic and the increase in Atlantic hurricane activity associated with it.

Now we have come full circle. My collaborators and I, over the past decade, have continued to investigate the origins of the putative AMO signal and have been led inescapably to the conclusion that the AMO (unlike, say, the R.O.U.S.) doesn't actually exist. It's an artifact, during the historical era, of competing anthropogenic (greenhouse warming and sulphate aerosol cooling) drivers and, during the pre-historic era, an artifact of the fact that volcanic forcing happens to have displayed a roughly multidecadal pacing in past centuries.

A scientist has to admit when they are wrong. Unfortunately for all of us, my colleagues and I weren't wrong about the unprecedented warming betrayed by the now iconic "Hockey Stick" curve, despite the unrelenting attacks on it by climate change deniers over the past two decades.

But I WAS wrong about the existence an internal AMO oscillation when I coined the term twenty years ago.

Nonetheless, some very good science has been done by a number of researchers and groups around the world in pursuing this matter. And we have learned quite a bit, for example, about the true origins of multidecadal climate variability, and prospects for long-term climate prediction.

That, in fact, is science (and Science) working the way it's supposed to.
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After going on about computer models. That looks like he's saying it doesn't exist because computer models. It amuses me that he brings up Sagan, because Sagan popularized the concept of Nuclear Winter, based on primitive and faulty computer models. The same ones that keep telling us the end of the world is coming in just ten more years?
 
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A Cardboard Box said:
To be fair, they knew nuclear winter was bullshit and pushed it just because it fit their faggot peace agenda.

Make no mistake, by the time of the 80s, the United States could fight, and win, a nuclear war with the Soviet Union.
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I remember reading an article by semi-Lolcow author Stuart Slade tearing into it and actually explaining what the serious analysis of nuclear war looked like and targeting priorities, lots of "No real nuclear winter, but I hope you're read for 18th century levels of technological regression, mass famine and starvation and everyone you know that survives on modern medicine dying as infrastructure breaks down." First place I read about the "pie plates" they used to calculate the effects of nukes. In a way, I think it's worse, makes you think "We could survive, it won't be that bad."
 
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More AWS-8Q Than You said:
That was literally my first thought, but then I saw the Wiki say that Mann, who was just part of the team who discovered it twenty years ago, was now saying it didn't exist. It's like the Medieval Warm Period, becomes inconvenient because it may show that we have less effect on Climate than the ecofascists think and wreck their narratives, so it must go away.
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Don't be preposterous. They've never, ever been able to grow wine grapes in England and any evidence to the contrary is either a falsehood, fabrication, or misreading of historical record or artifact.
 
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The Atlantic Ocean is a tremendously huge body of water. I don’t think we actually have the capability of measuring its temperature accurately. We can’t even get local weather forecasts right.
 
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Climate change is a fucking cult and has held us back AT LEAST 50 years. I won't pretend I'd do better if I were in charge but come on guys the bar is so low here.
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So is climate denial.

Especially climate denial with the hyper conservative baptists and weirdo Protestant Christians. It can go both ways.
 
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Cedric_Eff said:
So is climate denial.

Especially climate denial with the hyper conservative baptists and weirdo Protestant Christians. It can go both ways.
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Or or or, the earth naturally goes through cycles which causes the climate to change. I mean am I really supposed to be convinced that co2, which plants convert into oxygen, is bad for the atmosphere? You know, the atmosphere that was 100% co2 before plant life came to be? The idea that fucking cow farts will destroy the planet is especially retarded.

It’s a scam. Always has been just to transfer wealth from oil companies to green energy companies.
 
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