No Time to Die 007 - Time to Go Broke

[khaine]

She's saying Bond is a man. It's about casting. I don't think it at all means they will or would cast a non-binary actor to play a male Bond. It's a difficult question. If she said, "no" it'd be a story another way.

It just highlights the pitfalls around Bond and how they can never win with the press.

Best thing for the Bond franchise going forward is to cast someone like Cavill and make a singular Bond film that is great. No over arching story. No old Bond. No prequel Bond. Just an established Bond who goes on a mission, solves it and gets the girl.

Yeah, re-reading it she just kinda hedged and they made a bullshit story out of it. I agree that would be best, go back to basics, nice solid story. Keep it simple. Gritty and realistic is fine, but bond still needs to have charm, which Daniel Craig very much lacked. It also needs to be positive. Stop trying to make bond an anti-hero. In the classic films, he is very much played as a hero.

They need to remember the quote - “All men want to be him, and all women want to be with him”. Nobody wants to be that miserable shell of a person that Daniel Craig Played.

 

[Screamer]

Yeah, re-reading it she just kinda hedged and they made a bullshit story out of it. I agree that would be best, go back to basics, nice solid story. Keep it simple. Gritty and realistic is fine, but bond still needs to have charm, which Daniel Craig very much lacked. It also needs to be positive. Stop trying to make bond an anti-hero. In the classic films, he is very much played as a hero.

They need to remember the quote - “All men want to be him, and all women want to be with him”. Nobody wants to be that miserable shell of a person that Daniel Craig Played.

Yeah, the new films have a weird disdain for Bond.

He's no longer a secret agent but an assassin. It's all negative.

I am still shocked how little people seem to pick up how much the new film shit all over Bond as a character. Not being a good guy. He may have good intentions but he is ultimately a danger to everyone. He's a tool to be used by M or whoever, otherwise has no purpose and can't do good.

Although I think most people didn't like the ending and so didn't reflect back on the plot.

The film starts with Madaline secretly pregnant. Having flashbacks to her traumatic childhood with a father that is in the world of Bond. Taking Bond on a trip to ensure he's ready to move on with his life. So she and her child will be safe. It ends with Bond abandoning her. She goes off and has the kid in secret. They are safe.

Bond comes back into her life. Immediately there is danger and trauma. Bond's toxicity to having a family becomes literally. He sacrifices himself because his existence is detrimental to his family.

It's hateful to Bond as a character storyline. It's a terrible end to the arc set up in Casino Royale.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

What's funny is that if they had just sent Paloma in at the end she would slaughtered everyone before escaping unscathed, all while smiling and having fun. Holy shit, they finally created a likeable character not played by Eva Green and she was in the movie for five minutes and will never be seen again.

 

[khaine]

What's funny is that if they had just sent Paloma in at the end she would slaughtered everyone before escaping unscathed, all while smiling and having fun. Holy shit, they finally created a likeable character not played by Eva Green and she was in the movie for five minutes and will never be seen again.

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You can't have a hot woman as a protagonist, that's hurtful to the faux-woman and fat ugly woman who run everything these days. That's why wannabe bond is so ugly.

 

[SargonF00t]

I'm thinking that they may need to take a long break between now and the next Bond.

No Time to Die was a very disappointing way to finish off the Craig series as Bond, and I feel very jaded towards the Bond franchise now.

If they start up with a new actor in 3 years time, I really doubt I will bother to watch it.

How did Blofeld know that Bond would return to Vespa's grave and have a booby trap just waiting to go off and paid off henchmen just waiting?

 

[Screamer]

How did Blofeld know that Bond would return to Vespa's grave and have a booby trap just waiting to go off and paid off henchmen just waiting?

I don't think it matters. He either had people stationed there because Bond would eventually go there. Or he was tracking them. They did have the ability to make Madaline's phone go all Spectre-ish.

I'm thinking that they may need to take a long break between now and the next Bond.

I think the opposite. It could do more harm to the franchise to have a long stretch with NTTD being the most recent one. They need a palate cleanser Bond. No new takes. No playing around with race swaps. They need to go find the most James Bondish good looking charming white guy.

Make a film that is a really good solid traditional, stand-alone James Bond film. He's James Bond, no prequel, no setting up or arcs over many films. Don't go too crazy or over the top, but deliver the best possible film that lives up to the franchise and is big. Make a crowd-pleaser. Even adapting a non-Flemming Bond novel so there's a solid base to work on.

No more of this rewriting and changing things on the fly. That has lead to so many issues in the Craig era. Like that guy at Vesper's grave who is Blofeld's eye. He wasn't meant to stick around in the film. Yet they liked him, kept him around and so it then makes no sense why he's suddenly working for Saffin. They always lose track of details.

I'm not saying this, but I am saying this. Based off The Man from U.N.C.L.E. film. Reteam Henry Caville and Guy Ritchie. Take the best non-Flemming Bond novel that has potential for action and spectacle. Purvis and Wade can adapt with input from Ritchie. All somewhat boring in an approach but it could create a great stand-alone bond film.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

Haven't watched it yet, but I can say the OHMSS callbacks didn't sit well with me. My reaction when they used the theme in the Skyfall trailer was "They haven't earned that!" which is really autistic and gay but whatever. NT2D feels like The Force Awakens when you think about how many callbacks there were; it's a lazy, cheap way to try and prop up their shitty Current Year movie by associating with possibly the best entry in the series.

Also, Bond is the Tracy of his own series now.

 

[ditto]

Also, Bond is the Tracy of his own series now.

Bond avenged Tracy in the very next movie and was cut up about it well into the Brosnan era.
But Madeline is cruising around europe cashed up on James' inheritance and MI6 pension.

 

[Gig Bucking Fun]

IMO, Craig’s Bond had to die in this film. It makes no sense for James Bond to actually care about anyone but himself. He already had a fling with Vespa that he eventually buried deep inside, so it would be played out to kill his wife and kid and have him ignore that as well. On the other hand, you can’t have Bond be a family man since it goes completely against his character. This was a shitty send-off, but one we needed. As far as I’m concerned, this is the last Bond movie in the series. I already watched the all-female reboot of Ocean’s Eleven, I don’t need a repeat of that train wreck featuring 007.