Megathread Non-binary genders / Enbies - When Male and Female Aren't Special Enough

[RM 810]

This has been all the rage on Twitter today because Saturday Night Live's Colin Jost ruffled some feathers.

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Spoiler: I'm being oppressed

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Gender non-conforming people are still men and women, they're just crossdressers or w/e, they don't have separate genders you dumbass.

Oh wow, that's hilarious.

Male, female, MtF, FtM, and intersex (as in hermaphrodite) are the only options I can think of. How the hell do you get to 37?

Well...

Spoiler

• Agender
• Androgyne
• Androgynous
• Bigender
• Female to Male
• FTM
• Gender Fluid
• Gender Nonconforming
• Gender Questioning
• Gender Variant
• Genderqueer
• Male to Female
• MTF
• Neither
• Neutrois
• Non-binary
• Other
• Pangender
• Trans
• Trans Man
• Trans Person
• Trans Woman
• Transfeminine
• Transgender
• Transgender Female
• Transgender Male
• Transgender Man
• Transgender Person
• Transgender Woman
• Transmasculine
• Transsexual
• Transsexual Female
• Transsexual Male
• Transsexual Man
• Transsexual Person
• Transsexual Woman
• Two-Spirit

This is ridiculous though, why have female to male, FTM, trans man, transgender male, transgender man, transmasculine, transsexual male, and transsexual man. They all mean the same fucking thing, ditto for the female/woman versions. Not to mention most passing/non-political trans people don't want to be thought of as trans, just as men or women. Though I admit for an app so focused on sex this sort-of makes sense.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Gender non-conforming people are still men and women, they're just crossdressers or w/e, they don't have separate genders you dumbass.



Well...

Spoiler

• Agender
• Androgyne
• Androgynous
• Bigender
• Female to Male
• FTM
• Gender Fluid
• Gender Nonconforming
• Gender Questioning
• Gender Variant
• Genderqueer
• Male to Female
• MTF
• Neither
• Neutrois
• Non-binary
• Other
• Pangender
• Trans
• Trans Man
• Trans Person
• Trans Woman
• Transfeminine
• Transgender
• Transgender Female
• Transgender Male
• Transgender Man
• Transgender Person
• Transgender Woman
• Transmasculine
• Transsexual
• Transsexual Female
• Transsexual Male
• Transsexual Man
• Transsexual Person
• Transsexual Woman
• Two-Spirit

This is ridiculous though, why have female to male, FTM, trans man, transgender male, transgender man, transmasculine, transsexual male, and transsexual man. They all mean the same fucking thing, ditto for the female/woman versions. Not to mention most passing/non-political trans people don't want to be thought of as trans, just as men or women. Though I admit for an app so focused on sex this sort-of makes sense.

"Gender questioning" is a gender like agnostic is a religion. I guess I should be thankful this list doesn't include shit like demi-boy or voidgender.

 

[D.Va]

Gender non-conforming people are still men and women, they're just crossdressers or w/e, they don't have separate genders you dumbass.



Well...

Spoiler

• Agender
• Androgyne
• Androgynous
• Bigender
• Female to Male
• FTM
• Gender Fluid
• Gender Nonconforming
• Gender Questioning
• Gender Variant
• Genderqueer
• Male to Female
• MTF
• Neither
• Neutrois
• Non-binary
• Other
• Pangender
• Trans
• Trans Man
• Trans Person
• Trans Woman
• Transfeminine
• Transgender
• Transgender Female
• Transgender Male
• Transgender Man
• Transgender Person
• Transgender Woman
• Transmasculine
• Transsexual
• Transsexual Female
• Transsexual Male
• Transsexual Man
• Transsexual Person
• Transsexual Woman
• Two-Spirit

(This is ridiculous though, why have female to male, FTM, trans man, transgender male, transgender man, transmasculine, transsexual male, and transsexual man. They all mean the same fucking thing, ditto for the female/woman versions)

The newspeak transgender isn't the same as transsexual for a couple of reasons. First of all this is referring to the new abstract concept of gender -- hence, not the biological sex -- and second of all it's been butchered by people who don't understand how English works and turned it into an umbrella.

You're probably assuming that the trans- implies a transition, as it would for every other word with the prefix. but for no reason whatsoever, transgender means:

This basically means anyone who isn't cisgendered is automatically trans. This is the reason why transsexuals do not want to be related to this crowd and they have been vilified by the tumblr masses for it; they are "truscum" for believing that you can't just identify as a different gender without suffering from legitimate gender dysphoria.

 

[neverendingmidi]

The newspeak transgender isn't the same as transsexual for a couple of reasons. First of all this is referring to the new abstract concept of gender -- hence, not the biological sex -- and second of all it's been butchered by people who don't understand how English works and turned it into an umbrella.

You're probably assuming that the trans- implies a transition, as it would for every other word with the prefix. but for no reason whatsoever, transgender means:

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This basically means anyone who isn't cisgendered is automatically trans. This is the reason why transsexuals do not want to be related to this crowd and they have been vilified by the tumblr masses for it; they are "truscum" for believing that you can't just identify as a different gender without suffering from legitimate gender dysphoria.

So basically, a "transgender" is someone helping you out by directly labeling that they are "high maintenance" before you have any contact with them.

Useful.

 

[sarcasticslipandslide]

"Gender nonconforming" is literally academia for "tomboy/feminine man, not trans." Implying GNC people are a separate gender is probably several times more sexist and transphobic than anything SNL has ever done.

And seeing as "non-binary" is practically synonymous with GNC now... Tumblr is never thrilled when they find out just how sexist and transphobic they really are.

The newspeak transgender isn't the same as transsexual for a couple of reasons. First of all this is referring to the new abstract concept of gender -- hence, not the biological sex -- and second of all it's been butchered by people who don't understand how English works and turned it into an umbrella.

Spoiler: APA definitions

It doesn't help that the APA has gender split into "gender" and "gender identity" - the former defined as "the attitudes, feelings, and behaviors that a given culture associates with a person’s biological sex. Behavior that is compatible with cultural expectations is referred to as gender-normative; behaviors that are viewed as incompatible with these expectations constitute gender non-conformity" and the latter defined as "one's sense of oneself as male, female or something else. When one’s gender identity and biological sex are not congruent, the individual may identify as transsexual or as another transgender category (e.g., genderqueer, gender nonconforming, gender neutral)".

Transgender is defined as "an umbrella term used to describe the full range of people whose gender identity and/or gender role do not conform to what is typically associated with their sex assigned at birth... not all TGNC (transgender/non-conforming) people self ‐identify as transgender... ". Gender dysphoria includes "only some gender‐nonconforming people experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives". Meanwhile, cisgender is defined as "a person whose gender identity and gender expression align with sex assigned at birth" - meaning anyone can be trans.
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[RM 810]

Spoiler: APA definitions

It doesn't help that the APA has gender split into "gender" and "gender identity" - the former defined as "the attitudes, feelings, and behaviors that a given culture associates with a person’s biological sex. Behavior that is compatible with cultural expectations is referred to as gender-normative; behaviors that are viewed as incompatible with these expectations constitute gender non-conformity" and the latter defined as "one's sense of oneself as male, female or something else. When one’s gender identity and biological sex are not congruent, the individual may identify as transsexual or as another transgender category (e.g., genderqueer, gender nonconforming, gender neutral)".

Transgender is defined as "an umbrella term used to describe the full range of people whose gender identity and/or gender role do not conform to what is typically associated with their sex assigned at birth... not all TGNC (transgender/non-conforming) people self ‐identify as transgender... ". Gender dysphoria includes "only some gender‐nonconforming people experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives". Meanwhile, cisgender is defined as "a person whose gender identity and gender expression align with sex assigned at birth" - meaning anyone can be trans.
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"APA is the leading scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States. " according their website.

Holy shit I feel sorry for American actual transsexuals, that's so fucked up.

 

[sarcasticslipandslide]

Holy shit I feel sorry for American actual transsexuals, that's so fucked up.

The vast majority of Tumblr users are also American millennials, so they eat this garbage up; it feeds into the "you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans" and "gender is a social construct" crowds, too. The APA has practically fueled the disintegration of the trans community, imo.

 

[Beaniebon]

I don't understand why tinder is including trans options. I would think that trans people would WANT to come off as their preferred (cis) gender. If you pass and have had the surgeries/treatments, why the fuck would you even include that you're trans?

 

[RM 810]

I don't understand why tinder is including trans options. I would think that trans people would WANT to come off as their preferred (cis) gender. If you pass and have had the surgeries/treatments, why the fuck would you even include that you're trans?

If you're using tinder purely for fucking then it's nice to give a heads-up, but otherwise this is pretty much just for people looking to be special.

 

[bishie-gender]

• Agender
• Androgyne
• Androgynous
• Bigender
• Female to Male
• FTM
• Gender Fluid
• Gender Nonconforming
• Gender Questioning
• Gender Variant
• Genderqueer
• Male to Female
• MTF
• Neither
• Neutrois
• Non-binary
• Other
• Pangender
• Trans
• Trans Man
• Trans Person
• Trans Woman
• Transfeminine
• Transgender
• Transgender Female
• Transgender Male
• Transgender Man
• Transgender Person
• Transgender Woman
• Transmasculine
• Transsexual
• Transsexual Female
• Transsexual Male
• Transsexual Man
• Transsexual Person
• Transsexual Woman
• Two-Spirit

I know at least that "transmasculine" is basically preferred tumblrspeech for "transman without the ickyness of being a PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSOR!!!"

 

[Pigeon On A Stick]

Spoiler: I'm being oppressed

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She's flip-flopping back and forth with virtually every other tweet. I know that she's responding to other people, but the way her tweets are arranged makes it look like she's a patient locked in a room, screaming inconsistencies to herself while a group of other people watch her in horror.

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I know at least that "transmasculine" is basically preferred tumblrspeech for "transman without the ickyness of being a PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSOR!!!"

Aren't half of these synonyms?

 

[bishie-gender]

She's flip-flopping back and forth with virtually every other tweet. I know that she's responding to other people, but the way her tweets are arranged makes it look like she's a patient locked in a room, screaming inconsistencies to herself while a group of other people watch her in horror.

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Aren't half of these synonyms?

Most of the words for their stupid, made-up genders/sexualities are synonyms. It's like bisexual and pansexual, but one of them is "more inclusive".

 

[Pigeon On A Stick]

I know at least that "transmasculine" is basically preferred tumblrspeech for "transman without the ickyness of being a PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSOR!!!"

Most of the words for their stupid, made-up genders/sexualities are synonyms. It's like bisexual and pansexual, but one of them is "more inclusive".

Self-described panexuals say that pansexuality isn't based on gender, instead on personality. Isn't that what bisexuality is?

 

[Argonian Scum]

Self-described panexuals say that pansexuality isn't based on gender, instead on personality. Isn't that what bisexuality is?

You're half right. Regardless of identity anyone that says they're "attracted to personality not sex and gender uwu" is a pompous dick.
"Pansexual" is just a way of virtue signalling that they'd consider pity fucking a troon.

 

[Jozef]

Bisexuality and Pansexuality are the same thing, but if someone calls themselves "pansexual," it's code for "I'm a special snowflake."

 

[Hypodermic Johnny]

"APA is the leading scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States. " according their website.

Holy shit I feel sorry for American actual transsexuals, that's so fucked up.

The vast majority of Tumblr users are also American millennials, so they eat this garbage up; it feeds into the "you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans" and "gender is a social construct" crowds, too. The APA has practically fueled the disintegration of the trans community, imo.

If it's any consolation, there are plenty of psychologists who disagree/are not or will not associate as part of the APA (at least in my region; this could be different for the much more liberal areas that have basically drowned in their Kool-Aid) who think this is a load of horseshit. Even before all this gender nonsense I was hearing shrinks talk about how the APA is really just a circlejerking popular kids' club at its core.

Sorta ties into that "the majority is relatively rational; we just LOOK this obnoxious because of particularly loud and visible individuals" perception phenomenon.

 

[Shit Waifu]

The vast majority of Tumblr users are also American millennials, so they eat this garbage up; it feeds into the "you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans" and "gender is a social construct" crowds, too. The APA has practically fueled the disintegration of the trans community, imo.

Not to mention is all precisely what the original LGBT activists were working against. The ones that original held the "___ is a CHOICE" mentality were actually the bigots and the naysayers to the original LGBT rights activists, now it's the attention seeking label whores who insists it's a choice to protect their identity politics. The pendulum has swayed to the opposite side of the political spectrum, but it's still regressive talk, no matter who's saying it.

People whose insistence that there have been "nonbinary" genders for an eternity cease to, in actuality, recognize the original LGBT activism aim. They strived for normality, not for specialization. That's what they wanted. Understanding they "differed", but wanting to be seen as normal, as people, in spite of that "difference" in presentation, whether it be a different sexuality or transgenderism. They generally didnt aim to be snowflakes.

There have been attention seeking brats in all forms throughout the years, and there have possibly been attention seeking brats who've identified with this "nonbinary" label before its popularity was capitalized by the web, but that doesn't mean they're actually lgbt nor a proper representation of the group.

There are plenty of LGBT people who've rejected transtrenders as supposed to welcoming them, that's what everyone doesn't acknowledge. Some only welcome them out of fear that they'll be branded a "cis shitlord", especially if they're considered to be less opppressed- i.e. a gay cisgendered male, as supposed to nongender flake (read: overly hormonal bitch of a female) too. I mean, part of the lefts gone crazy but that doesn't mean there's still not rational people in the LGBT circle either.

 

[DiscountLiquor]

And seeing as "non-binary" is practically synonymous with GNC now... Tumblr is never thrilled when they find out just how sexist and transphobic they really are.

Spoiler: APA definitions

It doesn't help that the APA has gender split into "gender" and "gender identity" - the former defined as "the attitudes, feelings, and behaviors that a given culture associates with a person’s biological sex. Behavior that is compatible with cultural expectations is referred to as gender-normative; behaviors that are viewed as incompatible with these expectations constitute gender non-conformity" and the latter defined as "one's sense of oneself as male, female or something else. When one’s gender identity and biological sex are not congruent, the individual may identify as transsexual or as another transgender category (e.g., genderqueer, gender nonconforming, gender neutral)".

Transgender is defined as "an umbrella term used to describe the full range of people whose gender identity and/or gender role do not conform to what is typically associated with their sex assigned at birth... not all TGNC (transgender/non-conforming) people self ‐identify as transgender... ". Gender dysphoria includes "only some gender‐nonconforming people experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives". Meanwhile, cisgender is defined as "a person whose gender identity and gender expression align with sex assigned at birth" - meaning anyone can be trans.
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"APA is the leading scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States. " according their website.

Holy shit I feel sorry for American actual transsexuals, that's so fucked up.

I think this shit right here is why I get so upset at people who aren't transmen or transwomen and still calls themselves transgender.
They're (majority of the time) either not transitioning into anything (physically or mentally) and never want to, or they're actually just transgender, are confused about their identity, and are starting hormones to look and sound like the opposite sex but don't wanna go "100% tranny", that's too much work you see, so "non-binary" and all synonymous terms marks a good half-way point. But that's just it, there is no "half-way point". Technically any "non-binary" person, typically biologically female, who undergoes HRT is more or less then on the same grounds as a man.
My conclusion is that while enbies claim to be "neither gender", the ones who do alter their body to suit their "proper gender" aren't genderless and in turn, prove how full of shit it is. Especially if they have a "preference" (or otherwise any form of motivation) for their own body/sex to be different (hence HRT, surgery, etc).

TL;DR: "Tomboys and masculine girls don't exist, transmen are nasty (fuck duh binary), dysphoria isn't required to be a tranny, and gender roles/feelings are what define your gender." -NB community

Self-described panexuals say that pansexuality isn't based on gender, instead on personality. Isn't that what bisexuality is?

Bisexuality and Pansexuality are the same thing, but if someone calls themselves "pansexual," it's code for "I'm a special snowflake."

Bisexual = "I don't care what genitals you have"

Pansexual = "Trannies aren't real men/women so we made a new sexuality for them and btw my gf is agender"


On a side note, enjoy this wacky Tumblr bio I stumbled across today

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[m0rnutz]

So since gender, sex, and gender identity are all different, I can identify as male, female, and a big ball of gas(non-binary)?

 

[sarcasticslipandslide]

So since gender, sex, and gender identity are all different, I can identify as male, female, and a big ball of gas(non-binary)?

Tumblr would call that "trigender" and give you a flag. An ugly one, in fact.