Megathread Non-binary genders / Enbies - When Male and Female Aren't Special Enough

[Jacques1194]

Former Virginia state house representative and epic twitter leftist guy has come out as non-binary:

I love the bio " Probably not a man but definitely not a woman. A secret third thing." I love how even he doesn't know what the fuck non binary is suppose to be. Also noticed how his bio uses words like "Probably". It always amazes me how these people talk about inherit gender identities and yet none of them can ever explain what this inner feeling is.

 

[Trombonista]

I love how he clearly states he doesn't have dysphoria, yet claims he doesn't know what his gender is.

 

[Not A Bunny]

It always amazes me how these people talk about inherit gender identities and yet none of them can ever explain what this inner feeling is.

And it is always always always self-diagnosed.

One of the many problems I have with "non-binary" bullshit is that I guaran-fucking-tee, there is no god damn way in this world or the next a doctor or any kind of professional looked at this person and said, "you are a third gender" (I am not counting people who call themselves "mental health professionals" and who believe in non-binary bullshit).

There is nothing whatsoever that makes you some non-male AND non-female. You might be intersex, but that's a variant of either male or female. Those are the fucking baselines. Everything else is a purely arbitrary thing that you can just declare yourself and get back-pats for it.

No one has ever diagnosed someone as "non-binary". And so help me, if someone ever tried to explain that they were, I want a doctor's note that says so. Otherwise, I just assume it's something you made up for attention.

 

[Trombonista]

No one has ever diagnosed someone as "non-binary".

Apparently Yuu Watase was.

 

[Wallace]

No one has ever diagnosed someone as "non-binary". And so help me, if someone ever tried to explain that they were, I want a doctor's note that says so. Otherwise, I just assume it's something you made up for attention.

The problem is that such claims are considered unfalsifiable. You cann't prove that someone is not non-binary or any similar flavor of genderspecial, at least not without committing wrongthink. This makes it tricky since wrongthinkers are prima facie bigots and their opinions should be disregarded.

 

[Jacques1194]

And it is always always always self-diagnosed.

One of the many problems I have with "non-binary" bullshit is that I guaran-fucking-tee, there is no god damn way in this world or the next a doctor or any kind of professional looked at this person and said, "you are a third gender" (I am not counting people who call themselves "mental health professionals" and who believe in non-binary bullshit).

There is nothing whatsoever that makes you some non-male AND non-female. You might be intersex, but that's a variant of either male or female. Those are the fucking baselines. Everything else is a purely arbitrary thing that you can just declare yourself and get back-pats for it.

No one has ever diagnosed someone as "non-binary". And so help me, if someone ever tried to explain that they were, I want a doctor's note that says so. Otherwise, I just assume it's something you made up for attention.

That's because there's no way to observe non binary. Even in pro trans studies there's never any section that proves a non binary brain. Even weirder is that TRAs would argue that a trans woman's brain produces estrogen instead of testosterone which is what (According to them) is a "woman's brain". Vice versa with testosterone and trans men's brains. If we believe that argument then what does a non binary brain produce? Nothing? How does that work when the brain needs tesosterone and estrogen in order to function?

Also another case showing how pointless the label is. A woman who identifies as non binary complains about how people still see her as a girl because she dresses in feminine clothing and keeps her tits.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

That's because there's no way to observe non binary. Even in pro trans studies there's never any section that proves a non binary brain. Even weirder is that TRAs would argue that a trans woman's brain produces estrogen instead of testosterone which is what (According to them) is a "woman's brain". Vice versa with testosterone and trans men's brains. If we believe that argument then what does a non binary brain produce? Nothing? How does that work when the brain needs tesosterone and estrogen in order to function?

Thank you for describing my exact problem with non binary - it's about as scientifically correct as things like crystal healing, i.e. not at all, but gets taken much more seriously, even taught as fact in educational institutions. It's only an "identity" as much as the person claiming to be so believes it is, and if other people don't buy into it, the proper thing to do should be to not push it and simply move on, but like any other insane belief its adherents refuse to do that and instead demand everyone they come across call them by their ridiculous "gender neutral" name and pronouns. This shit truly is a cult. Hell, I've known of a few people who joined cults, changed their names in line with their new beliefs and started cutting people out of their lives who disagreed with their decision, people who get really into gender identity are doing the exact same thing.

 

[Jacques1194]

Thank you for describing my exact problem with non binary - it's about as scientifically correct as things like crystal healing, i.e. not at all, but gets taken much more seriously, even taught as fact in educational institutions. It's only an "identity" as much as the person claiming to be so believes it is, and if other people don't buy into it, the proper thing to do should be to not push it and simply move on, but like any other insane belief its adherents refuse to do that and instead demand everyone they come across call them by their ridiculous "gender neutral" name and pronouns. This shit truly is a cult. Hell, I've known of a few people who joined cults, changed their names in line with their new beliefs and started cutting people out of their lives who disagreed with their decision, people who get really into gender identity are doing the exact same thing.

I'm just shocked at the amount of people who take this seriously. At least with MtF or FtM you can kinda understand what the person wants to be, but to say "Actually, I'm neither a man or a woman. I'm something that can't be define." Also take a look at this. This person wants to separate themselves from human roles? So what the fuck do they do all day? To make it crazier is that the person who asked this question was a he/she/they furry.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Managed to find an ancient relic from 2009, a blog belonging to a woman who had all her female anatomy removed and identifies as "genderless and asexual". It's interesting to see how the terminology has evolved in so little time, but also slightly terrifying to know that someone out there managed to convince a nurse to perform at-home surgery on her with none of the proper precautions taken, not even a local anaesthetic. I remember stumbling upon this blog when searching something like "gender neutral surgery" right around the time I desisted from the NB identity and it definitely freaked me out when I realised this shit is permanent, once bits are chopped off they won't grow back. Wasn't sure if this would be better off here or in SRS horrors, for all we know it could be totally made up since I wasn't able to find any more info about this "Rocco", but the whole thing is just awful and makes you wonder if the author of the blog has some unresolved trauma.

(edit: upon further reading, turns out trauma was the cause - she was sexually assaulted as a kid. Why she jumped straight to DIY surgery rather than counselling, I don't know, and this was done before any of this shit went mainstream. All we can hope is other self described "enbies" don't follow suit.)

 

[LimeRikki]

makes you wonder if the author of the blog has some unresolved trauma.

I don't need to wonder. A person does not get it into their head to surgically alter, remove, or mutilate their own genitalia, unless they have unresolved truama or a fetish ( Though by my observation, this really only applies to men. Women with fetishes don't mutilate their genitals.)

 

[shatterspinel]

All we can hope is other self described "enbies" don't follow suit.)

One of the commenters seems to have confused her nullo surgery with classic fgm and talked about how she wants to pass down the tradition to her daughters just like her mother did to her. So I guess this shit really is Islamic, isn’t it?

 

[WeeKee Leeks]

Managed to find an ancient relic from 2009, a blog belonging to a woman who had all her female anatomy removed and identifies as "genderless and asexual". It's interesting to see how the terminology has evolved in so little time, but also slightly terrifying to know that someone out there managed to convince a nurse to perform at-home surgery on her with none of the proper precautions taken, not even a local anaesthetic. I remember stumbling upon this blog when searching something like "gender neutral surgery" right around the time I desisted from the NB identity and it definitely freaked me out when I realised this shit is permanent, once bits are chopped off they won't grow back. Wasn't sure if this would be better off here or in SRS horrors, for all we know it could be totally made up since I wasn't able to find any more info about this "Rocco", but the whole thing is just awful and makes you wonder if the author of the blog has some unresolved trauma.

(edit: upon further reading, turns out trauma was the cause - she was sexually assaulted as a kid. Why she jumped straight to DIY surgery rather than counselling, I don't know, and this was done before any of this shit went mainstream. All we can hope is other self described "enbies" don't follow suit.)

I had some chick Message me on reddit over some shit i said about trans people 50 times in an hour without me responding and she was basically exactly this. SA'ed, Identified as a robot,.

It's always trauma.

 

[Slideshow Bill]

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Redundant. "Non-disabled" is a fun touch, though.

Anna is starting HRT because she keeps getting read as a woman even though she is clearly a not-woman.
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I'm sure getting called 'sir' will feel much better.

How old is Anna? If the "menopause at 22" TIFs are getting their shit fucked by testosterone, how will she fare?

I love the bio " Probably not a man but definitely not a woman. A secret third thing." I love how even he doesn't know what the fuck non binary is suppose to be. Also noticed how his bio uses words like "Probably". It always amazes me how these people talk about inherit gender identities and yet none of them can ever explain what this inner feeling is.

The "secret third thing" is an online gendie joke. You're not a man or woman, but a quirky and mysterious gender creature.

That's because there's no way to observe non binary. Even in pro trans studies there's never any section that proves a non binary brain. Even weirder is that TRAs would argue that a trans woman's brain produces estrogen instead of testosterone which is what (According to them) is a "woman's brain". Vice versa with testosterone and trans men's brains. If we believe that argument then what does a non binary brain produce? Nothing? How does that work when the brain needs tesosterone and estrogen in order to function?

The presence of enbies completely obliterates any "scientific" justification and explanation for transgenderism. It generates a lot of seething under the surface but because of the Geek Social Fallacies, you rarely see anything about it because they have to keep the ranks tight. Additionally, if the trutrannies went after the enbies, the enbies could strike back, saying that troonism is just as illogical.

 

[Wallace]

How old is Anna? If the "menopause at 22" TIFs are getting their shit fucked by testosterone, how will she fare?

She's about 40. And I'm going to guess... poorly.

Spoiler: text

[Set in the universe of Community Witch - my queer polyamorous romance novel that I’m currently working on getting published.]

Dee jumped as Corey dropped onto the couch beside them, having been too lost in thought to register that he had returned from his errand.

“So,” he said ominously.

Dee looked at the sketchbook in their lap and winced at the blank page staring up at them. “Yes?”

Their partner patiently took the sketchbook and set it on the coffee table, forcing Dee to look up at him. “You’re doing that thing again,” he admonished gently. “Where you have a crisis and refuse to talk to anyone about it.”

“I don’t… I mean. It’s not–”

Corey gave them a Look. “You do,” he said irritably, tapping his chest in an oblique reminder of their magical bond. “And even just getting the edges of whatever it is you’re worrying about is enough to give me a headache. So stop shutting me out and just… talk to me?”

Dee’s resistance crumbled at the softness in his infuriatingly beautiful brown eyes. “Is Yulia…?”

“She’ll be working outside for a while, but we could go upstairs if you like.”

Dee nodded jerkily, the thought of being interrupted by the old woman who had essentially adopted them both still somehow completely overwhelming.

Corey’s lips twitched into a smile as he abruptly slung them over his shoulder, lifting them effortlessly to carry them toward the stairs. Dee laughed despite themself and didn’t bother to pretend, as they usually did, that they didn’t enjoy it.

Once upstairs, he tossed them onto the bed before kicking the door behind him. However, when Dee stretched provocatively and batted their eyes flirtatiously, he just settled onto the bed next to them with a look that said he wasn’t going to fall for their stalling tactics this time.

There was a long, horrible silence.

“This is the part where you say things,” Corey finally prompted.

- - -

Dee felt as if they’d been pounded flat and hung out to dry by the time they were done crying. Once they’d cleaned themself up, they lay listlessly in Corey’s arms, too physically miserable to really feel any of their emotions.

“So. Wanting to do more transition,” Corey prompted. “What does that mean?”

“I’m not entirely sure,” Dee confessed. “I know that I want a dick, but I don’t want surgery. Eighty percent satisfaction rate isn’t high enough. And. I think I want top surgery. But I’m not sure.” They paused to take a deep shuddering breath. “I’m not sure I want to give up what it feels like when you. Um. Touch them.”

Corey made the thoughtful noise that Dee had long since learned to interpret as his “processing” sound. When he finally spoke, his tone was cautious. “You might not need surgery. I could… if you wanted, that is. Look into using magic?”

Dee blinked. “I thought you didn’t–”

“I don’t.” He grimaced. “I mean, witchcraft doesn’t work for that kind of thing. But I know some very highly placed fae who, as you may remember, owe me some pretty fucking big favors.”

Dee couldn’t help but goggle at him. “And you’d be willing to use them… for me?”

“I want you to be happy,” Corey repeated earnestly. “Just.” He smiled and brushed a stray hair away from their eye. “We’re talking about fae, so the devil is very much in the details here. You’d need to take time to decide what you do and don’t want.”

Dee nodded. “I will. And.” They picked anxiously at his shirt. “You’ll still want to have sex with me? If that’s what I want?”

“No surgery means no nerve damage, which means playing with your nipples will still be just as fun. Not to mention…” Corey smiled wolfishly. “Getting to figure out what makes you come all over again sounds pretty hot.”

Dee laughed tremulously as the tight knot of anxiety inside them finally began to loosen. “I should have known you’d get hot and bothered about getting to do more research.”

“Why wouldn’t I be?” Corey shot back, his eyes gleaming mischievously. “There are so many questions that need answering. How will you feel about handjobs? Blowjobs? Do you still want me to fuck you, or would you rather fuck me?”

Dee’s mouth went dry as they were hit with a sudden mental image of Corey moaning in pleasure as their cock slid into him - something they hadn’t even known they wanted until he said it.

“See?” he said smugly, pulling them down into a long slow kiss. “Research is great.”

 

[Aunt Carol]

Managed to find an ancient relic from 2009, a blog belonging to a woman who had all her female anatomy removed and identifies as "genderless and asexual".

(Tried to archive but it wouldn't.)

Rate me optimistic, but this seems a little fake. It reminds me of that Redditor, uselessaltthing (?) who prolifically posts about "her" nullification in ways that seem fetishistic, then farms karma quietly on the tumblr screenshot subreddit. I feel like a genderless person who felt strongly enough to have surgery and put up a blog about in 2009 it would have more content and more involvement in discourse.

Then again, maybe the autistic/withdrawn writing style is proof she's the kind of person to do those things.

I'm not as weirded out by the at-home clitoridectomy. Don't get me wrong: it sounds absolutely horrible, but back in 2009 this was post-peak BME-type "body modification" and there were other people on the fringes finding "cutters" to help them achieve identity or just aesthetic. Actually, that might be what the clitoridectomy prose reminds me of; this person writes like a body modder, not like a gendie.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

(Tried to archive but it wouldn't.)

Rate me optimistic, but this seems a little fake. It reminds me of that Redditor, uselessaltthing (?) who prolifically posts about "her" nullification in ways that seem fetishistic, then farms karma quietly on the tumblr screenshot subreddit. I feel like a genderless person who felt strongly enough to have surgery and put up a blog about in 2009 it would have more content and more involvement in discourse.

Then again, maybe the autistic/withdrawn writing style is proof she's the kind of person to do those things.

I'm not as weirded out by the at-home clitoridectomy. Don't get me wrong: it sounds absolutely horrible, but back in 2009 this was post-peak BME-type "body modification" and there were other people on the fringes finding "cutters" to help them achieve identity or just aesthetic. Actually, that might be what the clitoridectomy prose reminds me of; this person writes like a body modder, not like a gendie.

Yeah it instantly hit all my "fake/fanfic/fetish" post indicators.

She's trying to get a rise out of herself and others, 100%.

No internet presence connected with the same identity exists today. So, it's possible this is a real person who shed that handle and its associations and moved on, but really did do the bodymods discussed. But it's equally as possible the whole thing was a ruse to start with.

 

[AMHOLIO]

She's about 40. And I'm going to guess... poorly.

The first thing that hit me was the dialog. No human talks like that, and the few sentences that sound human are things I've seen lolcows in the lgbTTTTTTT community say. The second was the smilies. This is so fanfictiony I might puke.

 

[Wallace]

The first thing that hit me was the dialog. No human talks like that, and the few sentences that sound human are things I've seen lolcows in the lgbTTTTTTT community say. The second was the smilies. This is so fanfictiony I might puke.

What did you expect? She hangs out on Tumblr... despite being in her forties.

Also, now she's experimenting with packing.

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I’m starting T in a couple days and have been experimenting with packing, and…

From a sensory perspective it’s SO NICE and weirdly soothing

But packing outside the house while I’m still pre-T, holy fuck is my washroom anxiety through the fucking roof.

Like last night I was nearly in tears because I took my husband to the theater to celebrate our anniversary and a bunch of lazy straight people were lining up for the TWO all gender washrooms instead of walking downstairs, and they were all giving me funny looks as the only visibly trans person waiting to pee.

And then an usher came over and was reminding people that there are multi stall washrooms downstairs and most of the straight people decamped except for the lazy Boomer Karen in front of me who kept looking at me because now it was very obvious WHY I was waiting.

So now I’m crying in my kitchen because my husband wants us to go to the pool and I honestly wish I didn’t ever have to think about gendered washrooms / change rooms again.

How dare those evil straight people use the all gender washrooms!

Anna sure spends a lot of time crying in the kitchen for someone who isn't a women. What she needs is some hormones to make her emotional state even more volatile.

 

[scathefire]

What did you expect? She hangs out on Tumblr... despite being in her forties.

Also, now she's experimenting with packing.
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I’m starting T in a couple days and have been experimenting with packing, and…

From a sensory perspective it’s SO NICE and weirdly soothing

But packing outside the house while I’m still pre-T, holy fuck is my washroom anxiety through the fucking roof.

Like last night I was nearly in tears because I took my husband to the theater to celebrate our anniversary and a bunch of lazy straight people were lining up for the TWO all gender washrooms instead of walking downstairs, and they were all giving me funny looks as the only visibly trans person waiting to pee.

And then an usher came over and was reminding people that there are multi stall washrooms downstairs and most of the straight people decamped except for the lazy Boomer Karen in front of me who kept looking at me because now it was very obvious WHY I was waiting.

So now I’m crying in my kitchen because my husband wants us to go to the pool and I honestly wish I didn’t ever have to think about gendered washrooms / change rooms again.

How dare those evil straight people use the all gender washrooms!

Anna sure spends a lot of time crying in the kitchen for someone who isn't a women. What she needs is some hormones to make her emotional state even more volatile.

She seems way too old for this shit, it’s behavior I would expect from a 20-something pooner but not a 40 year-old with a husband and kids.

 

[AI generated waifu]

What did you expect? She hangs out on Tumblr... despite being in her forties.

Also, now she's experimenting with packing.
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Spoiler: text

I’m starting T in a couple days and have been experimenting with packing, and…

From a sensory perspective it’s SO NICE and weirdly soothing

But packing outside the house while I’m still pre-T, holy fuck is my washroom anxiety through the fucking roof.

Like last night I was nearly in tears because I took my husband to the theater to celebrate our anniversary and a bunch of lazy straight people were lining up for the TWO all gender washrooms instead of walking downstairs, and they were all giving me funny looks as the only visibly trans person waiting to pee.

And then an usher came over and was reminding people that there are multi stall washrooms downstairs and most of the straight people decamped except for the lazy Boomer Karen in front of me who kept looking at me because now it was very obvious WHY I was waiting.

So now I’m crying in my kitchen because my husband wants us to go to the pool and I honestly wish I didn’t ever have to think about gendered washrooms / change rooms again.

How dare those evil straight people use the all gender washrooms!

Anna sure spends a lot of time crying in the kitchen for someone who isn't a women. What she needs is some hormones to make her emotional state even more volatile.

Ma'am whyyyyy are doing this to yourself!? FFS, what is this.

It's so bizarre how she can't just get out of that 'queer' mindset and see things from a normie's perspective.