Megathread Non-binary genders / Enbies - When Male and Female Aren't Special Enough

[Lu_Kreed]

When is this non binary shit going to end?

 

[Valstrax]

When is this non binary shit going to end?

When people actually start going outside.

 

[Private Pyle]

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I guess when you're a giant snake made out of countless other snakes, being non-binary is fair enough.

The wiki still calls him a 'he' though

There’s also the fact that he’s a body snatcher that kills others to extend his own life. Along with the whole obsession with a teenage boy for his body.
Not sure if he really fits or should be hit with the non-binary tag.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Right. I'd love to know more about what these people are basing their identity on, if they are basing it on anything. Have they even seen those "What gender is your brain" online quizzes? Where you answer a bunch of questions - not about whether you like cars or computer games or sparkly nail polish, but about your thinking patterns, emotional awareness, etc., then you get a score placing you somewhere on a spectrum between 'male' and 'female'.
That's right, a spectrum. A continuous variable, not a discrete one with an integer X number of allowed classifications.
Granted, I don't know how relevant this idea is to current psychology, and yeah, no-one should be shopping for their identity in online quizzes, but it makes a point which I'm going to quote verbatim from another place on the internet I read it from:





I know of one male "non-binary" person in real life, though I've never met him personally. Last year, my workplace started up an online chat channel for casual conversations, the kind most people were missing out on working from home, and under a topic relating to our company's LGBTetc. Pride Group he came out as "Non-Binary". There was talk about the importance of pronous, and a suggestion for everyone to add their pronouns to their email signatures or user profiles or something. (Probably only a few people in the aforesaid LGBT group would actually have done this.)

This pissed me off for several reasons:
a) Pronoun fetishisation is bullshit, and is such a western-hemisphere/first world problem - I bet there aren't many non-binary people in language areas where all pronouns are gender neutral,
b) Why is a grown man so insecure that he needs to identify himself into a special category that everyone needs to be educated about,
c) We're a professional organisation that delivers scientific and technical services, not the kind of artsy hipster corporation that would foster alternative genders,

but most of all,

d) The whole concept of 'non-binary' viscerally offends me. I remember being young and confused and struggling, and relating that struggle directly to being female in a predominantly male environment, and all the sexist rubbish I had to internalise to go to war against my gender/sense of self.
I didn't become 'non-binary' though, because I did have an unshakeable sense that you can't really escape from your problems or your biology by hiding behind an Identity, also gender essentialism is dumb. What will it take these numbskulls to recognise the same.

Sorry for the rant/thanks for listening.

Non-binary is perfectly suited for the English language and basically nothing else, because we have jusssst enough gendered language but not too much. It’s gramatically possible to refer to other people exclusively in gender neutral terms (unlike, say, Spanish), but sometimes this makes it clear you’re a weirdo who’s doing it on purpose (saying ‘sibling’ instead of ‘brother’ or ‘sister’, eg).

Of the male enbies I know
-white gay twinky guy who wants to hang with the wokies who hate gay white guys
-white bi guy with a fucked up life who says he would be a trans woman if it wouldn’t be totally impossible for him to pass (he’s 6’5”)
-white bi guy engaged to a girl, so like, trying to keep some LGBT cred?

 

[ShortPoppy]

When is this non binary shit going to end?

In 5-10 years from now, when social justice and human rights have advanced to the point where we have 3 sets of bathrooms (or just one) in every public building, non-binary games/events in every sports league, free pronoun nametags for everyone, and so on. By then we will have a new generation of brave activists coming out as non-ternary and speaking out about the erasure they've suffered in silence for so long.

 

[GenociderSyo]

APA's new guidelines for writing research (7th edition) has been touched by the non-binary hands.

The seventh edition of the manual updates guidelines for writing about “age, disability, gender, racial and ethnic identity, and sexual orientation” to bring them in line with current best practices. The guidelines are too extensive to reproduce here, but a few of the most important and general instructions are described below. Consult chapter 5 of the APA Publication Manual (7th ed.) for more details.

• Use “person-first” language whenever possible. For instance, “a man with epilepsy” is generally preferable to “an epileptic” or “an epileptic man.”
• Similarly, avoid using adjectives as nouns to describe groups of people (e.g., “the poor”). Instead, use these adjectives to describe specific nouns or use descriptive noun phrases (e.g., “people living in poverty”).
• Use specific labels rather than general ones when possible. For example, “cisgender men” is more specific than “men.” Similarly, “Korean Americans” is more specific than “Asian Americans” or “Asians.”
• When describing differences between groups of people, focus on the qualities that are relevant to the situation at hand. For example, in a study of sex chromosome-linked illnesses, study participants’ biological sexes are probably relevant, while participants’ sexual orientations are probably not.
• In general, respect the language that people use to refer to themselves, and understand that the language used to refer to certain groups of people can and does change over time. Recognize also that group members may not always express total agreement about this language.
• The seventh edition of the APA Manual endorses the use of “they” as a singular pronoun. The manual advises writers to use “they” for a person whose gender is unknown or irrelevant.
  • For instance, rather than writing "I don't know who wrote this note, but he or she has good handwriting," you might write something like "I don't know who wrote this note, but they have good handwriting."
• Additionally, “they” should be used for a person who uses “they” as their personal pronoun. In both cases, derivatives of “they,” like “them,” “their,” “themselves,” and so on should also be used accordingly. Plural verbs should be used when "they" is referring to a single person or entity (e.g., use "they are a kind friend" rather than "they is a kind friend").
• The manual also advises against anthropomorphizing language. Thus, non-human relative pronouns like “that,” and “which” are recommended for animals and inanimate objects, rather than “who.”

 

[NoReturn]

I am not a native speaker so when i first time met the term "enby woman / enby man" i thought at first that it was just a mispronounced word "envy" that made into cirlulation in this distorted form. Something like that "VEWY HAWD" and so on. And i thought that it was something like "person that envies woman" or "person that envies man"

And somehow, though the magic of the shared collective human consciousness, you were still correct.

 

[teacups]

APA's new guidelines for writing research (7th edition) has been touched by the non-binary hands.

The seventh edition of the manual updates guidelines for writing about “age, disability, gender, racial and ethnic identity, and sexual orientation” to bring them in line with current best practices. The guidelines are too extensive to reproduce here, but a few of the most important and general instructions are described below. Consult chapter 5 of the APA Publication Manual (7th ed.) for more details.

• Use “person-first” language whenever possible. For instance, “a man with epilepsy” is generally preferable to “an epileptic” or “an epileptic man.”
• Similarly, avoid using adjectives as nouns to describe groups of people (e.g., “the poor”). Instead, use these adjectives to describe specific nouns or use descriptive noun phrases (e.g., “people living in poverty”).
• Use specific labels rather than general ones when possible. For example, “cisgender men” is more specific than “men.” Similarly, “Korean Americans” is more specific than “Asian Americans” or “Asians.”
• When describing differences between groups of people, focus on the qualities that are relevant to the situation at hand. For example, in a study of sex chromosome-linked illnesses, study participants’ biological sexes are probably relevant, while participants’ sexual orientations are probably not.
• In general, respect the language that people use to refer to themselves, and understand that the language used to refer to certain groups of people can and does change over time. Recognize also that group members may not always express total agreement about this language.
• The seventh edition of the APA Manual endorses the use of “they” as a singular pronoun. The manual advises writers to use “they” for a person whose gender is unknown or irrelevant.
  • For instance, rather than writing "I don't know who wrote this note, but he or she has good handwriting," you might write something like "I don't know who wrote this note, but they have good handwriting."
• Additionally, “they” should be used for a person who uses “they” as their personal pronoun. In both cases, derivatives of “they,” like “them,” “their,” “themselves,” and so on should also be used accordingly. Plural verbs should be used when "they" is referring to a single person or entity (e.g., use "they are a kind friend" rather than "they is a kind friend").
• The manual also advises against anthropomorphizing language. Thus, non-human relative pronouns like “that,” and “which” are recommended for animals and inanimate objects, rather than “who.”

i really don't understand how this type of shit is supposed to improve treatment at all, it's ridiculous. also, what would happen if anyone tried criticize it - would they just get fired/ ostracized?

 

[GenociderSyo]

i really don't understand how this type of shit is supposed to improve treatment at all, it's ridiculous. also, what would happen if anyone tried criticize it - would they just get fired/ ostracized?

Pretty much if you dont follow guidelines you don't get published in psychology journals or recieve your phd in psychology based studies.

 

[teacups]

Pretty much if you dont follow guidelines you don't get published in psychology journals or recieve your phd in psychology based studies.

but is it possible to contest the actual guidelines in any way?

 

[GenociderSyo]

but is it possible to contest the actual guidelines in any way?

Nope. At least not in a dissertation. It's a bit more leeway in publication since you can be more concise. Just glad I did all that shit under APA 6. To give an idea how strict they are they will return a dissertaiton if you put an extra space after a sentence ends they are ANAL.

 

[osooolemiiio]

Speaking of singular they/them.
In times of the czar-ruled Russia, it used to be a pronoun the servants used to refer to their noble lords. SJWs may or may not know this, but it always seems to me they're trying to pedestal themselves above what's mob to them (yet whine about muh equality).

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

This is just so bloody confusing.


I really can't stand these whiny, preachy enbies and "nonbinary" people. They're such insufferably entitled and rude arseholes that everybody has to walk on eggshells with all the time. Like other leftists, no amount of arsepats, empathy, respect or compassion will ever be enough for them.

My first experience with one of them was on a wiki and when I first heard about their pronouns, I was so confused. I thought that this person was more than one person and she kept confusing me so I had a hard time with the "misgendering" thing. The admin kept telling me, "It's not hard! Think of them as multiple people!" but the thing is, our brains are registered to see they/them as multiple people! It doesn't make any sense. I asked why do they use the pronouns and I was told "because I have to". Well, thanks. I'm just more confused now!

There are a few of these "nonbinary" tosspots at my university and they're fake as hell. Most of them are in very lefty woke courses/modules such as drama productions (there's no gender studies there if I recall correctly). One such particular example happened when I was in the LGBTQBBQWTF! society before they threatened to remove me, there was one of them in the chat whining about how they used her legal name instead of her preferred enby name in a professional setting when she had her eyes tested. Everybody was fawning over her and telling her how bad she had it. Give me a break you perpetually offended snowflakes...

 

[osooolemiiio]

A couple days ago I stumbled upon a Vkontakte post with news about David Homak (creator of Lurkmore, Russia's own Dramatica) coming out as an enby. The irony.
Post in question. Sadly, there's no English version anywhere, so I'll leave it to you to Google Translate it.

 

[space marine 0434]

I'm fine with the idea of not identifying in the gender binary. It's relatively harmless and the concept of a third gender has been done in other cultures. As long as they don't make their enby-ness their whole damn identity and act like total SJWs about it.

Anything beyond that, however, is just ridiculous and screams "attention whore". This is not a Baskin Robbins; the left does not, nor should not need 31 different genders.

we do need a 3rd gender, and I agree.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I'm fine with the idea of not identifying in the gender binary. It's relatively harmless and the concept of a third gender has been done in other cultures. As long as they don't make their enby-ness their whole damn identity and act like total SJWs about it.

Anything beyond that, however, is just ridiculous and screams "attention whore". This is not a Baskin Robbins; the left does not, nor should not need 31 different genders.

Pretty much all of those third genders mean effeminate (gay) male. They come from cultures witch are all about manly men so a man can't do that he isn't seen as a real men. Some cultures deal with those individuals by putting then in new category, becouse it takes away some of the shame not measuring up as a man and gives them different rules to follow so they aren't complete outcast and burdens. Still if look how they are talked about it becomes were clear that these individuals are still seen as men, just ones who are bad at being real men.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Pretty much all of those third genders mean effeminate (gay) male. They come from cultures witch are all about manly men so a man can't do that he isn't seen as a real men. Some cultures deal with those individuals by putting then in new category, becouse it takes away some of the shame not measuring up as a man and gives them different rules to follow so they aren't complete outcast and burdens. Still if look how they are talked about it becomes were clear that these individuals are still seen as men, just ones who are bad at being real men.

My take on this is Western culture didn’t develop a third gender because monasticism (+the introduction of the celibate priesthood) effectively functioned the same way — the place for awkward and/or gender non conforming individuals to go. Then in Protestant countries (ie those structures were gotten rid of), after a while you began to see the idea of the bachelor dandy and the spinster come into play.

I think religious life would be good for these people, honestly. A structured environment, daily prayer, can’t focus excessively on your appearance because you only have one outfit, doing some sort of social good. That having been said, I know an enby (born female, on T, passes as male) who tried to join an Episcopalian monastery and they said no ‘because he wasn’t a man’ but I assume it was really because he’s female.

 

[Enjoy_the_Soylence]

Fuck you APA. They really are going to social engineer all the dictionaries, Grammarly, and journalism standards into SJW-speak like it's the French Revolution. Well je refuse. I can't believe I ever humored preferred pronouns. Not with a gun to head now.

 

[ClownBrew]

APA's new guidelines for writing research (7th edition) has been touched by the non-binary hands.

The seventh edition of the manual updates guidelines for writing about “age, disability, gender, racial and ethnic identity, and sexual orientation” to bring them in line with current best practices. The guidelines are too extensive to reproduce here, but a few of the most important and general instructions are described below. Consult chapter 5 of the APA Publication Manual (7th ed.) for more details.

• Use “person-first” language whenever possible. For instance, “a man with epilepsy” is generally preferable to “an epileptic” or “an epileptic man.”
• Similarly, avoid using adjectives as nouns to describe groups of people (e.g., “the poor”). Instead, use these adjectives to describe specific nouns or use descriptive noun phrases (e.g., “people living in poverty”).
• Use specific labels rather than general ones when possible. For example, “cisgender men” is more specific than “men.” Similarly, “Korean Americans” is more specific than “Asian Americans” or “Asians.”
• When describing differences between groups of people, focus on the qualities that are relevant to the situation at hand. For example, in a study of sex chromosome-linked illnesses, study participants’ biological sexes are probably relevant, while participants’ sexual orientations are probably not.
• In general, respect the language that people use to refer to themselves, and understand that the language used to refer to certain groups of people can and does change over time. Recognize also that group members may not always express total agreement about this language.
• The seventh edition of the APA Manual endorses the use of “they” as a singular pronoun. The manual advises writers to use “they” for a person whose gender is unknown or irrelevant.
  • For instance, rather than writing "I don't know who wrote this note, but he or she has good handwriting," you might write something like "I don't know who wrote this note, but they have good handwriting."
• Additionally, “they” should be used for a person who uses “they” as their personal pronoun. In both cases, derivatives of “they,” like “them,” “their,” “themselves,” and so on should also be used accordingly. Plural verbs should be used when "they" is referring to a single person or entity (e.g., use "they are a kind friend" rather than "they is a kind friend").
• The manual also advises against anthropomorphizing language. Thus, non-human relative pronouns like “that,” and “which” are recommended for animals and inanimate objects, rather than “who.”

I had to rate these "guidelines" with the crescent moon...but what they really deserve is a massive Star of David.

 

[howyadoin]

I think religious life would be good for these people, honestly. A structured environment, daily prayer, can’t focus excessively on your appearance because you only have one outfit, doing some sort of social good.

I can see it. Most if not all of the enbies are SJW-types: people who want to serve the greater good. More evidence that internet social justice is the secular world's version of religion.