Megathread Non-binary genders / Enbies - When Male and Female Aren't Special Enough

[TheBigZee]

APA's new guidelines for writing research (7th edition) has been touched by the non-binary hands.

It's funny to see this stuff from the APA. It's an atonement for all the off the walls sexist, racist, homophobic crap they pushed on the basis of pseudoscientific, non reproducible research. Amazing that they still haven't managed to follow the fishbone diagram all the way to the cause (editorial correlative pseudoscience).

Do any of the journals have real standards? The last time I looked (10 years ago) I was reading a paper, started going through the citations, and realized the paper I was reading had selectively quoted one of it's citations so as to not invalidate it's own conclusions.

 

[NoReturn]

we do need a 3rd gender, and I agree.

Aww, we have three genders and no money. Why can't we have no genders and three money?

 

[GenociderSyo]

Do any of the journals have real standards? The last time I looked (10 years ago) I was reading a paper, started going through the citations, and realized the paper I was reading had selectively quoted one of it's citations so as to not invalidate it's own conclusions.

Unsure. The main APA Journals definitely don't anymore. My favorite are papers that their only citations are their own prior work. There actually is a thread on here about bad publications in journals.

 

[ClownBrew]

More evidence that internet social justice is the secular world's version of religion.

In my opinion it's basically Jesuit Catholicism topped off with a hint of oy vey.

 

[1440p Curved Monitor]

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This is just so bloody confusing.


I really can't stand these whiny, preachy enbies and "nonbinary" people. They're such insufferably entitled and rude arseholes that everybody has to walk on eggshells with all the time. Like other leftists, no amount of arsepats, empathy, respect or compassion will ever be enough for them.

My first experience with one of them was on a wiki and when I first heard about their pronouns, I was so confused. I thought that this person was more than one person and she kept confusing me so I had a hard time with the "misgendering" thing. The admin kept telling me, "It's not hard! Think of them as multiple people!" but the thing is, our brains are registered to see they/them as multiple people! It doesn't make any sense. I asked why do they use the pronouns and I was told "because I have to". Well, thanks. I'm just more confused now!

There are a few of these "nonbinary" tosspots at my university and they're fake as hell. Most of them are in very lefty woke courses/modules such as drama productions (there's no gender studies there if I recall correctly). One such particular example happened when I was in the LGBTQBBQWTF! society before they threatened to remove me, there was one of them in the chat whining about how they used her legal name instead of her preferred enby name in a professional setting when she had her eyes tested. Everybody was fawning over her and telling her how bad she had it. Give me a break you perpetually offended snowflakes...

The more I read about how the bar to be nonbinary is so low the more I want to call myself nonbinary and change nothing about myself to fucking grift.
They wanna talk about how people "force them back into the binary" (nice strawman, no one will do that because they're afraid of getting dogpiled by wokies) but they have a serious problem with forcing people into the nonbinary and trans label. I'm sure I don't have to mention the grooming reddits and discords here, but the amount of times I've been asked for my pronouns solely because I'm a black woman w/ short hair ticks me off. If these people were in a room with men presenting themselves in a variety of ways, they probably wouldn't do the pronoun song and dance. But the moment they see a woman that has one gender nonconforming trait they skip on over, flash their woke membership card, and ask for pronouns. And some of you will say that race wont matter here but it does because these racist assholes view blackness as a masculine trait.

This phenomenon happens with butch women as well; I've heard women say that they're constantly asked if they've started their transition and he/him'd because they're butch. Nonbinaries have such a limited and sexist view on gender that they conclude that any woman who isn't hyperfeminine is not a woman and vice versa. Most I've met are either failed men who're using nonbinary as a stepping stone before they fully troon out and pathetic women with low self esteem who flee from being a woman because they think being one means that you are a lesser man. Interesting to learn about what they think about their mothers or other women in their lives.

 

[XeXerself]

I'm sure I don't have to mention the grooming reddits and discords here, but the amount of times I've been asked for my pronouns solely because I'm a black woman w/ short hair ticks me off. If these people were in a room with men presenting themselves in a variety of ways, they probably wouldn't do the pronoun song and dance. But the moment they see a woman that has one gender nonconforming trait they skip on over, flash their woke membership card, and ask for pronouns. And some of you will say that race wont matter here but it does because these racist assholes view blackness as a masculine trait.

This phenomenon happens with butch women as well; I've heard women say that they're constantly asked if they've started their transition and he/him'd because they're butch.

This whole push to ask every single person what their pronoun is going to backfire soon enough because not only does it put gender non-conforming people on the spot, but even some trans people get offended by the question because it implies they don't pass or it could out them if they're attempting to stealth. It also just doesn't work outside extremely liberal spaces; I know damn well queers wouldn't try this if they lived in a conservative state. I'd like to see them try to walk up to someone just leaving church or still has MAGA stickers on his (oops, sorry for assuming gender ) truck about pronouns and see what happens.

 

[1440p Curved Monitor]

but even some trans people get offended by the question because it implies they don't pass or it could out them if they're attempting to stealth.

I remember Contra getting cancelled hard for saying this because it was "enbyphobic" lmfao. Most trans people I know could not pass very well. There is the case of "if they passed, you wouldn't know they were trans" but one gets brownie points for making it clear that they are trans. So by not stating that you're trans and passing as cis, you're just making your social life in Woke environments worse for yourself because everyone would assume that you're cis and you miss out on the coveted asspats. Thus almost every trans person I've known or seen online has made it very clear that they are trans.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

The more I read about how the bar to be nonbinary is so low the more I want to call myself nonbinary and change nothing about myself to fucking grift.
They wanna talk about how people "force them back into the binary" (nice strawman, no one will do that because they're afraid of getting dogpiled by wokies) but they have a serious problem with forcing people into the nonbinary and trans label. I'm sure I don't have to mention the grooming reddits and discords here, but the amount of times I've been asked for my pronouns solely because I'm a black woman w/ short hair ticks me off. If these people were in a room with men presenting themselves in a variety of ways, they probably wouldn't do the pronoun song and dance. But the moment they see a woman that has one gender nonconforming trait they skip on over, flash their woke membership card, and ask for pronouns. And some of you will say that race wont matter here but it does because these racist assholes view blackness as a masculine trait.

This phenomenon happens with butch women as well; I've heard women say that they're constantly asked if they've started their transition and he/him'd because they're butch. Nonbinaries have such a limited and sexist view on gender that they conclude that any woman who isn't hyperfeminine is not a woman and vice versa. Most I've met are either failed men who're using nonbinary as a stepping stone before they fully troon out and pathetic women with low self esteem who flee from being a woman because they think being one means that you are a lesser man. Interesting to learn about what they think about their mothers or other women in their lives.

It’s bad that people immediately ask you for your pronouns, but they wouldn’t do this if there weren’t lots of women who insist on using pronouns other than she and getting offended if they’re not asked. I see so many women with ‘she/they’ in their bios and I simply don’t get it.

 

[1440p Curved Monitor]

It’s bad that people immediately ask you for your pronouns, but they wouldn’t do this if there weren’t lots of women who insist on using pronouns other than she and getting offended if they’re not asked. I see so many women with ‘she/they’ in their bios and I simply don’t get it.

Guarantee the women who use she/they aren't the ones getting as mad as the men. IT'S MA'AM is a meme for a reason - how can a man who calls himself a woman act so stereotypically male?

Spoiler: quick female socialization sperg

In my experience, the women who are getting offended seem to prefer she/her and are getting offended for other people's behalf. Women woke signal more than men because women tend to check if other women are in line and following the status quo. We can see this policing happen in women ensuring that their daughters follow patriarchal norm from makeup to FGM. This isnt to say that women are the ones upholding the patriarchy. It's more like they're protecting other women from the harsher punishment of the patriarchy by giving them a lighter scolding by a fellow woman now (in the case where the out of line woman is a child). Or they are making an example of the woman to warn onlooking women so they avoid harsher punishment. Or they are jealous. Hope this makes sense, I just woke up.

I recall seeing a tweet where an nonbinary insisted that you switch pronouns mid sentence for a person that had more than one pronouns in their bio. For example:

"She went to the store to get some candy and they said she will be back in 10 minutes."

I swear theyre just fucking with linguists and ESL speakers.

 

[Lil Miku]

It’s bad that people immediately ask you for your pronouns, but they wouldn’t do this if there weren’t lots of women who insist on using pronouns other than she and getting offended if they’re not asked. I see so many women with ‘she/they’ in their bios and I simply don’t get it.

Because if you're not a totally stereotypical girly girl that loves dresses and makeup and the color pink, you're not a total "she," are you?

Spoiler: Bit of a powerlevel

I'm a girl and I absolutely do not want to give in to this trend. I'm pretty far away from the stereotypical view of femininity but I'm not a tomboy either as I don't like sports or any form of exercise. I'm somewhere in the middle, most likely a geek. I like wearing t-shirts in men's sizes and jeans all the time and could care less about my hair. Seeing all these girls who are pretty similar to me call themselves "she/they" just disgusts me to a whole other level. Why not just be a girl who's not very feminine? Why apply this weird label to yourself?

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Because if you're not a totally stereotypical girly girl that loves dresses and makeup and the color pink, you're not a total "she," are you?

Spoiler: Bit of a powerlevel

I'm a girl and I absolutely do not want to give in to this trend. I'm pretty far away from the stereotypical view of femininity but I'm not a tomboy either as I don't like sports or any form of exercise. I'm somewhere in the middle, most likely a geek. I like wearing t-shirts in men's sizes and jeans all the time and could care less about my hair. Seeing all these girls who are pretty similar to me call themselves "she/they" just disgusts me to a whole other level. Why not just be a girl who's not very feminine? Why apply this weird label to yourself?

I saw this dumb post about non-binary womanhood when it comes to lesbians and feeling alienated from gender norms or whatever, but treating womanhood as an ‘identity’ is dumb. It’s biology. Your personal fashion choices or taste in sexual partners has nothing to do with it!

@1440p Curved Monitor, I disagree. I see lots of nonbinaries throwing absolute fits in groups about pregnancy or gynecological disease when someone assumes everyone in the group is, you know, a woman.

 

[1440p Curved Monitor]

@1440p Curved Monitor, I disagree. I see lots of nonbinaries throwing absolute fits in groups about pregnancy or gynecological disease when someone assumes everyone in the group is, you know, a woman.

Goddamn it, really? They are so exhausting. 99% of the people it applies to are women by their logic anyways so theres no need to make a scene

 

[XeXerself]

I saw this dumb post about non-binary womanhood when it comes to lesbians and feeling alienated from gender norms or whatever, but treating womanhood as an ‘identity’ is dumb. It’s biology. Your personal fashion choices or taste in sexual partners has nothing to do with it!

When it comes to that I'm of two minds, on one I usually feel bad for them because they're young and have been indoctrinated into the gender nonsense and are trying to make sense of it, but on the other, it's like...have you ever bothered looking at LGB history? Do you really think the old school lesbians who would disguise themselves as men to get jobs independently or the Dykes On Bikes and whatnot didn't feel alienated by gender norms or how most people equate "woman=feminine" too? I highly doubt they would be on board with saying they're suddenly not women (but also kind of are women, because...reasons!) if they were alive today and saw this. (I know there are some older butches still around who were not happy at all when other butches became transmen, they would probably take this trend even less well)

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

When it comes to that I'm of two minds, on one I usually feel bad for them because they're young and have been indoctrinated into the gender nonsense and are trying to make sense of it, but on the other, it's like...have you ever bothered looking at LGB history? Do you really think the old school lesbians who would disguise themselves as men to get jobs independently or the Dykes On Bikes and whatnot didn't feel alienated by gender norms or how most people equate "woman=feminine" too? I highly doubt they would be on board with saying they're suddenly not women (but also kind of are women, because...reasons!) if they were alive today and saw this. (I know there are some older butches still around who were not happy at all when other butches became transmen, they would probably take this trend even less well)

The whole genderfluid thing sounds exhausting. They spend so much time ruminating over their gender identity. If you’re a regular woman you get up in the morning and put on the clothes you’re feeling and you go about your day, you don’t spend all this time thinking about whether it’s pants or a skirt and how that reflects your gender.

 

[ShortPoppy]

Because if you're not a totally stereotypical girly girl that loves dresses and makeup and the color pink, you're not a total "she," are you?

Spoiler: Bit of a powerlevel

I'm a girl and I absolutely do not want to give in to this trend. I'm pretty far away from the stereotypical view of femininity but I'm not a tomboy either as I don't like sports or any form of exercise. I'm somewhere in the middle, most likely a geek. I like wearing t-shirts in men's sizes and jeans all the time and could care less about my hair. Seeing all these girls who are pretty similar to me call themselves "she/they" just disgusts me to a whole other level. Why not just be a girl who's not very feminine? Why apply this weird label to yourself?

Because having a weird label to wear like a badge of honour is the beginning and end of it, it seems. What precisely do non-binary people gain from being recognised as non-binary? Apart from the apparent right to insist what pronouns people use to refer to them when they're not even talking directly to them? They can still work, travel, vote, and in some countries marry a person of any gender, etc. They can still go to weekly knitting circles like any man can, or play community rugby like any woman can. There's nothing to differentiate them from ordinary people except how much they keep spewing about how different they are.

 

[LtCucumber]

Because having a weird label to wear like a badge of honour is the beginning and end of it, it seems. What precisely do non-binary people gain from being recognised as non-binary? Apart from the apparent right to insist what pronouns people use to refer to them when they're not even talking directly to them? They can still work, travel, vote, and in some countries marry a person of any gender, etc. They can still go to weekly knitting circles like any man can, or play community rugby like any woman can. There's nothing to differentiate them from ordinary people except how much they keep spewing about how different they are.

I've said this time and time again, it's basically the new "emo". It's not cool to be alternative, whether you're goth, punk, etc anymore because nobody gives a flying fuck. It's too "acceptable" now. Not only that but being gender nonconforming isn't a big deal either because a lot of people do it. Harry Styles was in vogue wearing a dress recently. It's no longer a radical concept for women to wear jeans, flannel shirts and not like dresses and makeup, or for men to wear nail polish, makeup and a dress and not like sports... Because nobody cares, so you're not gonna get asspats for not conforming to gender roles. So, identify as a different gender, maybe even make up a new one to be extra special, fuck it why not. And bonus points, they all get some shiny new oppression points that they can shove in people's faces or even use to tell people they're wrong for simply disagreeing with them... Even if they are batshit crazy it's kinda smart.

 

[Lil Miku]

Tonight is the episode of This is Us where we finally get to meet the Designated Nonbinary Character. Get ready. I'll make sure to post again on here if there's anything particularly juicy in the episode.
To clarify: The daughter of Randall and Beth, Tess, came out as a lesbian in a couple seasons ago and it has been revealed that she's dating her friend, Alex two episodes prior, who is nonbinary (she just looks like a butch lesbian). I like how she's now just a lesbian with extra steps, which basically lessens the blow because Alex is a "they."
Here is some autism from the episode I previously mentioned:

Spoiler: This is Us S5E10 scenes

TESS: I'm gonna go over Alex's for dinner.
BETH: Oh, not tonight. We're gonna have a family dinner. But you can go over her house another night.
TESS: Oh, my God. I told you. It's not "her." It's "their." Sorry, sorry. Their house.
BETH: I just got to get used to using a plural pronoun in a singular way, you know?
BETH'S MOM: It's actually not that difficult. We've used "they" singularly throughout history really. "Somebody left their umbrella at the office."
_________
TESS: Well, I'm expecting a text from Alex, so I should be able to look at my phone.
BETH: Honey, I know Alex is your best friend, but you can text her after dinner. It's not that serious.
TESS: Oh, my God, how many times do I have to tell you? Alex is a "they." And they're not just my best friend, we're together.
BETH: Wha-what do you mean, like a couple?
TESS: Yeah, Mom, like a couple. I didn't know that. Did you know that?
BETH: Uh-uh.

 

[Lil Miku]

UPDATE: They referenced nonbinary, and Beth even asked what the difference is between agender and bigender, so now that's immortalized on TV (the difference is fuck all, people just wanna feel special). Alex is really just a butch lesbian with a very soft, high voice. LMAO. She left pretty soon after but it was hilarious to see Tess acting all pissy because she thought her mom was angry at her cuddling up with an enby.

 

[howyadoin]

Tonight is the episode of This is Us where we finally get to meet the Designated Nonbinary Character. Get ready. I'll make sure to post again on here if there's anything particularly juicy in the episode.
To clarify: The daughter of Randall and Beth, Tess, came out as a lesbian in a couple seasons ago and it has been revealed that she's dating her friend, Alex two episodes prior, who is nonbinary (she just looks like a butch lesbian). I like how she's now just a lesbian with extra steps, which basically lessens the blow because Alex is a "them."
Here is some autism from the episode I previously mentioned:

Are lesbians (women loving women) dating enbies (who aren't classified as women) gonna be a thing in TV now? Because it happened in the One Day at a Time reboot too.

Spoiler: The couple in question

The one on the left is enby, by the way

 

[Lil Miku]

Are lesbians (women loving women) dating enbies (who aren't classified as women) gonna be a thing in TV now? Because it happened in the One Day at a Time reboot too.

Spoiler: The couple in question

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The one on the left is enby, by the way

Sadly, it seems that way.
And that's just a tomboy wearing some 90s clothes, you can't fool me.
EDIT: I also checked out that chick's Wikia page and man, the use of "they" all the time just does not sit right with me. It just looks so incredibly awkward!