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Urbanist fears meeting acquaintances at grocery stores and laments being judged for smoking weed at a museum. Blames the suburbs.
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It's actually a good thing that everyone avoids interacting with each other in the city. The newspeak term for it is Urban Anonymity™:
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Neighbors trying to talk to you about lawn maintenance is equally intrusive as people trying to break into your apartment:
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If you don't want people smoking weed in a public park, but you'll have a beer with dinner, you're a hypocrite:
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these people have something wrong with them. It's almost like they're a different species; homo urbanicus.

 

[Yamamura]

Building on this, another caveat I've read about blinking lights at night is it makes it difficult for drivers to track your location since you're only visible for a brief moment between flashes. It's like interacting with an object that only refreshes at 2FPS.

I'm pretty sure in the military this strobe effect is actually used on lights mounted to rifles by guys breaching into a dark room to disorient the enemy.

That is for the exact purpose of the enemy not being able to track where the origin of the flashing light is coming from.

Urbanist fears meeting acquaintances at grocery stores and laments being judged for smoking weed at a museum. Blames the suburbs.

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It's actually a good thing that everyone avoids interacting with each other in the city. The newspeak term for it is Urban Anonymity™:

Truly these people are anti social curmudgeons to the nth degree and reading any of this should convince any normal person why these are problems and not features.

Just like how you wouldn't take someone's advice who is agoraphobic on how to socialize. This is obviously not healthy and their promotion of these asocial attitudes is indicative of that.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

*puts three bags in car*
heh, nothin personnel, kid.

I don't think urbanists really think about how convenient cars are. I took my first actual road trip just very recently, and was free to do anything.

I loaded in my car a number of things that I was taking to a family member that he had to leave behind when he flew in for Christmas (a bottle of mezcal, a painting), there was glass jars of Mom's jelly, there was a pair of scissors for trimming my facial hair, there was a pillow.

None of these would've been possible flying without costing a fortune.

Then, during my trip, I ate at restaurants I wasn't able to go to at home, visit interesting spots along the road, and so forth. When I got there and I had some free time when my host wasn't around I took the opportunity to visit the rest of the city.

Urbanist fears meeting acquaintances at grocery stores and laments being judged for smoking weed at a museum. Blames the suburbs.

"Muh conformity" has been associated with suburbs for as long as suburbs have been around, but they're the biggest conformists around. Not just in politics (I doubt "token Trump voter" is a popular addition in these circles) but even if you look at architecture, the "model" cities they trot around have common, uniform architecture. Meanwhile, the "stroads" are anything but conformist, being built in bits and pieces over the years.

 

[unaboomer]

I could argue that urbanites aren't passively minding their own business, they're actively dissociating from you and your weed stink like they would for a drugged up hobo on the subway.

It's actually a good thing that everyone avoids interacting with each other in the city. The newspeak term for it is Urban Anonymity™:

Wait, I thought suburbia was supposed to be isolating?

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This guy debates like a highschool freshman who just learned about atheism.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Urbanist fears meeting acquaintances at grocery stores and laments being judged for smoking weed at a museum. Blames the suburbs.

But I thought that they wanted 15 minute cities where you live nearly all your life (working, sleeping, relaxing, etc.) within a 15 minute radius.

Doesn't this increase the chances you will bump into a work colleague when you are smoking weed or in your bondage gear?

You know what's really good for getting far far away from people I work with or know?

A car.

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An aside, I went on a eight mile hike in North Idaho / Washington with an LGBT group around my parts.

My critique isn't going to be about getting to the trail if I lived in a 15 minute city, rather it will be what I did before.

You see, a Mexican restaurant I live near used to have great huevos rancheros but they were bought out and the new owner changed the recipe and now they suck..

Being a fat ass, I found a Mexican restaurant that opened around six in Spokane. I was able to drive to that restaurant, have pretty damn good huevos rancheros (the ranchro sauce was where it's at for me), and drive back with enough time to walk my dogs and still drive to the trailhead.

If I lived in a 15 minute city, perhaps their is a Mexican restaurant by my place but do they serve breakfast? So they home make the ranchro sauce? Are they open at 6 AM?

It's actually a good thing that everyone avoids interacting with each other in the city. The newspeak term for it is Urban Anonymity™:

Minding their own business?

I thought we were supposed to keep our eyes on each other to make each other safer?

Eyes on the Street is an urbanist theory...

If you don't want people smoking weed in a public park, but you'll have a beer with dinner, you're a hypocrite:

Pot fucking smells, beer is mostly limited to the person drinking it. I wonder how these faggots feel about smoking cigars in a park.

Jason, this is North American thinking. You moved to Europe to become a Eurofag not to be more North American.

Have you tried backpacking see the Europe Travel sub?

Can you not backpack and wash your clothes as you go? Travelling with lots of luggage is an absolute pain. It’s not just about the trains, it’s getting from the station to your hotel, catching a bus, additional charge per item in a taxi. I travel around the world with a small backpack, it’s a skill to know what to pack and how to pack it but it makes life SO much easier. Every hotel will have some access to laundry facilities.

Don't you think all that wasted space could be used for more passenger density? Don't you want efficient trains?

 

[Atypical Dog]

I loaded in my car a number of things that I was taking to a family member that he had to leave behind when he flew in for Christmas (a bottle of mezcal, a painting), there was glass jars of Mom's jelly, there was a pair of scissors for trimming my facial hair, there was a pillow.

None of these would've been possible flying without costing a fortune.

The closest solution you could have to this is mailing that stuff to yourself, but again, that either comes with big delays or costs a lot.

Truly these people are anti social curmudgeons to the nth degree and reading any of this should convince any normal person why these are problems and not features.

Just like how you wouldn't take someone's advice who is agoraphobic on how to socialize. This is obviously not healthy and their promotion of these asocial attitudes is indicative of that.

Man if you wanted to be antisocial you should just go in the opposite direction or live in the woods. Or nolife a job and live to work.

You see, a Mexican restaurant I live near used to have great huevos rancheros but they were bought out and the new owner changed the recipe and now they suck..

Being a fat ass, I found a Mexican restaurant that opened around six in Spokane. I was able to drive to that restaurant, have pretty damn good huevos rancheros (the ranchro sauce was where it's at for me), and drive back with enough time to walk my dogs and still drive to the trailhead.

See this - this flexibility is exactly what cars are for. If I can't drive out to fulfill my exact craving at an ungodly hour what do I even have my modern chariot for?

these people have something wrong with them. It's almost like they're a different species; homo urbanicus.

The Homo Urbanicus is a big spender despite its limited range, empowered only by its relatively high-paying job or non-work related income. Making its habitat in a dense urban apartment development, Homo Urbanicus keeps its hunts local, either working from home or hunting in nearby office towers, supermarket mall anchor tenants, and so on. Prowling the streets on foot or on bike while keeping close to the light rail lines that allow it to move quickly over long distances, Homo Urbanicus is always on the lookout for its natural predator, the automobile.

By the way, I want to bring up Daniil Kleyman of Rehab Valuator here, to show a different perspective on urbanism and density. Starting in restoration and rental, Mr. Kleyman does a lot of ground-up work these days, particularly in areas zoned for single-family housing but where you can build duplexes "by right", or without having to get special permission from zoning. He then builds over/under duplexes in these SFH neighborhoods, charging premium rents for premium properties that blend neatly into Homeowner's Association restrictions. He's also dipped his toe into walkable mixed-use properties in already built-up areas (usually zoned for SFH) - that's how he sells it, anyway. If you look at his public-facing Facebook, linked above, he will post based takes on taxes and progressivism while also championing greater density and driverless taxis. There is one post complaining about how much surface parking he's putting in (reducing his earning inventory).

While some might consider the duplex in SFH clothing an excellent step for home affordability and others believe that you can take the Russian (1st gen immigrant as seen in this video) out of the commieblock, but you can't take the commieblock out of the Russian, I think this underscores a few points:

• Government regulations play a huge part in why we can't get housing bills done.
• While urbanists focus on improving peak density the city center, Daniil pushes for increasing density in primarily SFH areas, where it might actually do some good to reduce driving distances or make some commercial things bikeable.
• The fact that those residents have money helps. Money makes up for a lot of things, and high rents keep apartment wreckers out of your properties.
• Urbanism is a real estate developer trying to sell you a mixed-use development in built-up areas that wouldn't be appealing to anyone who uses cars. Daniil is mouthing the walkable word while still making large concessions to parking - he's just doing what gets rentals. Urbanism increases billable sq. footage.

For the real estate curious Kiwis, I offer Rehab Valuator on YouTube, where Mr. Kleyman goes into deep dives on his deal structure and how it works.

 

[Grayson Death Carlyle]

Don't you think all that wasted space could be used for more passenger density? Don't you want efficient trains?

For all the love these guys have for trains and European transit, they forget the most efficient way any large group of people has been moved. Weird, you think they'd be all over this way to quickly move people industriously.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

big delays or costs a lot.

Or? My friend, the answer is "and" costs a lot.

For all the love these guys have for trains and European transit, they forget the most efficient way any large group of people has been moved. Weird, you think they'd be all over this way to quickly move people industriously.

Don't remind urbanists that slave ships were able to pack a lot of people in.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

For all the love these guys have for trains and European transit, they forget the most efficient way any large group of people has been moved. Weird, you think they'd be all over this way to quickly move people industriously.
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You know, the guy that figured out this genius transit solution was also a vegetarian, supported animal rights, and was anti tobacco. You'd think the urbanists would be all over him, its like one final solution to carbrain

 

[Atypical Dog]

Or? My friend, the answer is "and" costs a lot.

You're right. I'm used to hypercompetitive Alibaba freight forwarders importing over a short distance (S. China to Philippines) so we can get stuff for relatively cheap if we wait for sea freight. Takes a month still, but super cheap vs. air freight at $30 per kilogram.

You know, the guy that figured out this genius transit solution was also a vegetarian, supported animal rights, and was anti tobacco. You'd think the urbanists would be all over him, its like one final solution to carbrain

They would absolutely support this man and his state-led economic policies! He definitely sounds like someone with the political will and grassroots support to solve induced demand and other knotty problems like poorly designed road networks or rail lines! A leader with the strength to tear down what doesn't work and start fresh!

 

[Yamamura]

Wait, I thought suburbia was supposed to be isolating?

So far with their weird logic I haven't been able to find a consistent method to their madness besides "own nothing and be happy". I'm not even really joking, why is it that everything they fixate on seem to focus around taking away the rights and autonomy from the average person? They don't want you to defend yourself, they don't want you to freely travel, they don't want you to own property. There was that one guy that didn't even want people to own bikes because the idea of autonomy of travel gets in the way of their ultimate vision.

It is truly sickeningly poetic we've come to a point in time where people supposedly trying to appear like they're helping the working class are the greatest detriment to the rights of the common man ever conceived. It's one of those "the greatest trick the devil played was convincing people he doesn't exist" type parables. Except in this case it's the elites convincing people they actually don't want rights.

 

[TowinKarz]

I don't think urbanists really think about how convenient cars are. I took my first actual road trip just very recently, and was free to do anything.

I think they know it all too well, and that's why they have such a deep-seated hatred of them.

Anything that empowers the average person, especially if it makes it more convenient for Joe Public to do their own thing on their own time instead of waiting around for the state to get to it with endless bureaucracy and tax waste and the proper preferential/detrimental treatments for those who do/don't have the "right" opinions?

It MUST be demonized and destroyed as a roadblock to luxury gay space communism.

To socialists especially, of which all Urbanists are some flavor, it's a heresy of the highest order to put YOUR MERE CONVENIENCE IN LIFE above the revolutionary needs of OTHERS (namely, the whiney temporarily-embarrassed commissar who is too poor to own a gun or bullets ,but, rest assured has noted your name for future liquidation for first-degree Kulakism.)

You shall be punished for this!

Just as soon as the state buys me a Makarov.... I can't afford one.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

You know, the guy that figured out this genius transit solution was also a vegetarian, supported animal rights, and was anti tobacco. You'd think the urbanists would be all over him, its like one final solution to carbrain

Also his grand plan for a city involved a huge car-free boulevard...

No use beating around the bush—urbanism is fascism and both tell people how they should live. Thus, by their own rules, urbanists should be beaten up and their opinions excluded from public opinions.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

He's praised Taiwan before specifically for how authoritarian they were with covid lockdowns (this video is unlisted so I don't feel bad linking to it directly, pretty sure those can't be monetized and it says at the start it isn't anyway).

He probably unlisted it because Taiwan got hit hard after a while. Honestly Taiwan wasn't that bad of a place to be during the first year. I got in just before the 2 week quarantine for travelers got enacted and because they were effective at keeping the virus out it was pretty much business as usual for the most part, everything was open and I could go out and about freely. After a while the virus got a foothold and it became like any other country (maybe even not that bad because I could still travel around and go to busy places like night markets), but still they had a good run. The only thing I really wasn't a fan of was downloading an app that tracks you so they can ping you if you were in the same place as someone found to be infected.

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

I'm guessing it's the urbanist's natural environment to argue online against strawmen that can't rebuttal back. He remembers he's not on an urbanist reddit subreddit so no home team advantage of having his side updoot him no matter what.


They've only ever had to convince themselves of their own arguments. On their own urbanist echo chambers (reddit, and youtube) they preach to the choir. Plus it's not like he can say to them in real life:

"OK now if everyone in the audience can pull out their phones and search the title of this video on youtube. Now if we can all sit quietly while we watch the video I'm sure it will answer all your questions, and by the end you'll be swayed by my position".

You are in luck, some of our old friends at r/fuckcars have made threads featuring this video (HERE and HERE), and they all agree, these meetings need more reddit folx to bring the truth to the Boomer Unbelievers.

A few interesting responses.

Where else are going to have the meeting?

I wonder what actually happened at that meeting.

 

[TowinKarz]

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I wonder what actually happened at that meeting.

Some smug cyclist probably misread the room and declared he and all his buddies would use their legal right-of-way under the vehicles code to slow down/block traffic until their demands were met.

These people are cowards of the highest order, and misanthropes who want their authoritarian urges to be seen as heckin' valid of an even HIGHER one, thus are both needlessly confrontational AND easy to scare off with even middling resistance.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

I'm not surprised it is in a church. Car is a religion, one of the worst.

whatever you do, do NOT call their obsessive love for bikes a religion. that would be very MEAN.

 

[Rudy Coleman]

/r/fuckcars describes what their ideal street looks like:
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Make sure to look at the picture, it's absolutely insane.

In case you think it's a troll, it isn't:
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Yards should be removed and be replaced with convenience stores. Kids can play on the sidewalks in front of them:
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Cars are the reason why pedos are able to kidnap kids:
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Spaces like this already exist they are called parks. My city has plenty of them. they usually have playgrounds and tennis courts, you cannot really put bigger ones in the downtown core because junkies will just move in and take up space from the intended demographic

 

[Xarpho's Return]

whatever you do, do NOT call their obsessive love for bikes a religion. that would be very MEAN.

Never mind the fact that churches are often used as polling places, if someone has that bad a reaction to churches they're not just fedoralord extreme it means you probably don't have a lot of social connections. Non-religious people still go to churches for weddings and funerals.

Some smug cyclist probably misread the room and declared he and all his buddies would use their legal right-of-way under the vehicles code to slow down/block traffic until their demands were met.

That's almost certainly what happened, though I don't think that was spontaneous, probably someone repeated some line from /r/fuckcars and got pushback, leading to a sperg out.

 

[Meriasek]

Urbanist fears meeting acquaintances at grocery stores and laments being judged for smoking weed at a museum. Blames the suburbs.
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It's actually a good thing that everyone avoids interacting with each other in the city. The newspeak term for it is Urban Anonymity™:
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Neighbors trying to talk to you about lawn maintenance is equally intrusive as people trying to break into your apartment:
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If you don't want people smoking weed in a public park, but you'll have a beer with dinner, you're a hypocrite:
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Absolute fucking neurotics.