NUll's post in the roderick thread discussion

[bawwwtism]

so what drew so many people out of the woodwork to that particular thread if not to derail it?

Probably the fact that it was Featured thread. That's exactly how Fanta's thread ballooned to over 20 pages.

 

[MrTroll]

Probably the fact that it was Featured thread. That's exactly how Fanta's thread ballooned to over 20 pages.

Well, the thing is, for a thread to be featured, it has to get something like 50 posts in the space of 6 hours (it's an automatic process from what I understand). So it was already pretty active with the kind of posts I'm talking about long before it became featured.

 

[creamyfanta]

My issues were that
1. The thread really didnt follow any of the rules all the rest of us non staff are expected to follow and wasnt immediately locked.

2. It seemed more like people wanted to rag on transexuals rather than actually talk about a lolcow. I can accept (but dislike and disagree with) the fact that we dont all agree what is a "woman" and what is a "man," but if we are being mean about someone (with Cox it just seemed mean rather than humorous) solely because we are uncomfortable with the fact they have a different gender than the sex they were born with then I see no reason for it to be in the lolcow section of the forum. ADF and the other funny transexuals on here are funny for reasons other than the mere fact they are transexuals.

Also, it does make me uncomfortable that there is so much apparent hate for transexuals throughout the members on this site. But whatever, as stated I accept that we can disagree.

Haters, bring on the autistic and dumb ratings, whatevs.

 

[Delicious Stickmeat]

I don't care if people hate on trannys. If that's how you feel, so be it.

If you're going to do shit like misgendering and such, own it. Don't try to rationalize and justify your hate with things like "But teh chromosomes!". Just fucking stand up and say "I hate trannys, and I'm gonna do shit to bother them."

 

[AnOminous]

Obviously they had no intention of actually meaningfully contributing to the discussion, and as Null pointed out, the cow forums are filled with threads that never received a single reply, so what drew so many people out of the woodwork to that particular thread if not to derail it?

Maybe they just felt like saying something about it. I really doubt anyone was rubbing their hands together in glee saying "Let's shitpost until this thread gets closed." Then people got inordinately assblasted on both sides and that's when the thread really went to shit.

 

[Ification]

Maybe we should just ban discussions of important matters in the lolcow threads. That way we can lessen the drama and focus on why people focus on lolcows in the first place: look at the funny situations they get themselves into. Save the stuff that gets everyone pissed off for the deep thoughts forum.

 

[DNJACK]

My nice threads brings all the whiny bitches to the yard.

 

[MrTroll]

My issues were that
1. The thread really didnt follow any of the rules all the rest of us non staff are expected to follow and wasnt immediately locked.

2. It seemed more like people wanted to rag on transexuals rather than actually talk about a lolcow. I can accept (but dislike and disagree with) the fact that we dont all agree what is a "woman" and what is a "man," but if we are being mean about someone (with Cox it just seemed mean rather than humorous) solely because we are uncomfortable with the fact they have a different gender than the sex they were born with then I see no reason for it to be in the lolcow section of the forum. ADF and the other funny transexuals on here are funny for reasons other than the mere fact they are transexuals.

Also, it does make me uncomfortable that there is so much apparent hate for transexuals throughout the members on this site. But whatever, as stated I accept that we can disagree.

Haters, bring on the autistic and dumb ratings, whatevs.

The rules are more guidelines than iron-clad posting requirements in most cases. The no celebrities rule, for example. Right now, there are threads (from non-moderators) on famous "historical" lolcows, former celebrities, Jack Chick, and I think there's one about the Duggar family floating around somewhere. Arguably the subjects of these threads are for the most part at least as famous as Laverne Cox. And I'm pretty sure moderators have always had the authority to allow an exception to one of the rules if asked in advance (i.e. no threads about current/former Kiwi Farms members). So really I'm just not seeing the big deal about supposed differential treatment of threads from staff versus non-staff. Introman did mention that he asked Null personally for permission to post the Cox thread. Anyone, staff or not could have made a similar pitch and I'm guessing he would have signed off on it all the same. You can't say that the thread was badly-written or researched. He cited plenty of examples of Cox's bizarre behavior (i.e. the Wikipedia edit war).

I also don't remember much "ragging" on transsexuals in that thread. A lot of people got huffy because the original post didn't use the "right" pronouns for Cox, but I sure don't recall any hate-filled rants against trannies.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

Maybe we should just ban discussions of important matters in the lolcow threads. That way we can lessen the drama and focus on why people focus on lolcows in the first place: look at the funny situations they get themselves into. Save the stuff that gets everyone pissed off for the deep thoughts forum.

It's not really possible to totally divorce the two, though. You'll often have people saying "This isn't funny to me because [moral consideration]".

 

[creamyfanta]

[QUOTE="MrTroll, post: 758712, member:]

I also don't remember much "ragging" on transsexuals in that thread. A lot of people got huffy because the original post didn't use the "right" pronouns for Cox, but I sure don't recall any hate-filled rants against trannies.[/QUOTE]
To someone who has had a sex transition (as annoying as it sounds) misusing a pronoun is super insulting and totally degrading for them. It questions their entire identity. So I think at the very least for people who have fully had the transition, such as Cox, it is hateful to use the wrong pronoun. You are essentially telling them that their entire person is incorrect. It is belittling. Thats my problem with it.

Ps. Sorry I broke the quote idk how to fix it

 

[DNJACK]

If you need to define if you are male or female to define your identity, you pretty much havent much going on for you. And in my mind trans will never be male or female, no matter how much you want it to be different. it doesn't mean I hate you. A couple of hormones and an imagination just doesn't make it true. People use pronouns to reflet how they perceive you, and people can't change their percepetions because you can't handle it.

I also don't remember much "ragging" on transsexuals in that thread. A lot of people got huffy because the original post didn't use the "right" pronouns for Cox, but I sure don't recall any hate-filled rants against trannies.

To someone who has had a sex transition (as annoying as it sounds) misusing a pronoun is super insulting and totally degrading for them. It questions their entire identity. So I think at the very least for people who have fully had the transition, such as Cox, it is hateful to use the wrong pronoun. You are essentially telling them that their entire person is incorrect. It is belittling. Thats my problem with it.

Ps. Sorry I broke the quote idk how to fix it

 

[AnOminous]

He cited plenty of examples of Cox's bizarre behavior (i.e. the Wikipedia edit war).

There wasn't even an edit war, though. Just a few edits nearly a year ago that resulted in little to nothing.

That's the entirety of the "edit war" as far as Cox was involved.

Then the rest of the edit policy discussion continued without Lavernecox3000, and was a completely pedestrian argument about BLP and the names policy and reliable source policy. Here's the entirety of the edits made to the article. You can just search through that for Lavernecox3000 to get to where the argument happened (and effectively upheld the original edits).

It's mildly cowish to make edits to your own Wikipedia article, especially while using your real name in the username and yet referring to yourself in the third person. But seriously, doing it once and then going away and actually winning the "edit war?" How many cows win edit wars?

 

[I AM STRAIGHT!!!!]

What's wrong with infighting? Is this supposed to be a community (seriously?) or are we here to be our asshole selves? The best part of the thread was when someone said "Don't do this guys! Think of how this will look to /cow/!"

What is more likely: Hundreds of literal SJWs have come here, of all places? Or troll safe-space has been invaded by relatively-normal people who are now the majority and feel free to complain about and shit up the dumber, more trollish OPs?

Some kiwis are shut-ins who think normal people are all SJWs because they take tumblr seriously and don't see the irony in this. And there are some who don't dig troll-culture so much and don't want to yield to the worst impulses without complaining.

Neither group is going to leave. Ergo infighting. That should be ok and fair. What is this, tumblr? We could have a "before you follow" that comes up before new kiwis register that says, "complaining about what someone posted is hate speech backseat moderation and it triggers us" etc.

Without assumptions about who got offended first, and what defines "taking offense", nothing actually makes Null's chimp-out and bawleetion less lulzy or blameworthy than any other lulzy act. Clearly his prerogative is to keep thousands of members along with a veteran troll crowd satisfied, and his only choices are ban people or scold people en masse while calling "backseat moderation". I don't envy this dilemma, don't have a real criticism here.

At the same time nothing about how this went down was consistent with some kind of troll ideal. My point is that if you really think your troll space is being invaded by SJWs, show them your best troll behavior, not your best imitation of SJW behavior.

 

[ln18]

I'm still surprised to see all this earnest genuine consciousness raising for the trans on the farms. Gonna make kiwifarms sunshine and rainbows of safe space through persuasive argument.

Where are the die hard autism reps to take the bravestand! and let everyone know it's actually kind of mean to yknow hold up autistics as objects of ridicule?

 

[MrTroll]

To someone who has had a sex transition (as annoying as it sounds) misusing a pronoun is super insulting and totally degrading for them. It questions their entire identity. So I think at the very least for people who have fully had the transition, such as Cox, it is hateful to use the wrong pronoun. You are essentially telling them that their entire person is incorrect. It is belittling. Thats my problem with it.

Ps. Sorry I broke the quote idk how to fix it

I really think you need some perspective here. This is a forum devoted to making fun of people, most of whom have serious mental or psychological problems. It would be pretty silly to make a thread about someone (or post in such a thread) for the express purpose of laughing at and ridiculing them and at the same time worry about "degrading" them with the wrong pronoun.

 

[creamyfanta]

If it walks and talks and looks like a woman, then I see no reason its not a woman. Or viceversa versa. Why are people so hung up on continuing to use pronouns that are no longer accurate descriptors? To anyone who sees Cox, she is female. Even a hot female. So by calling her a man it really is just confusing and inherently incorrect, except for her past. Its just misleading.

 

[HG 400]

If it walks and talks and looks like a woman, then I see no reason its not a woman.

I walk, talk and look like I'm not a white supremacist child-rapist in a death cult. Are you going to accept my self-appointed identity of normal-dude-who-totally-isn't-a-suicidal-nazi-child-molester and let me babysit your vulnerable mixed-race kids?

 

[dabluearmedbandit]

If it walks and talks and looks like a woman, then I see no reason its not a woman. Or viceversa versa. Why are people so hung up on continuing to use pronouns that are no longer accurate descriptors? To anyone who sees Cox, she is female. Even a hot female. So by calling her a man it really is just confusing and inherently incorrect, except for her past. Its just misleading.

Because this website is supposed to be funny and no one gives a shit. I could give a fuck about anyone's opinions, this site exists for funny.

 

[creamyfanta]

Laughing at lolcows for being spergs is very different than being intolerant of people who are only trying to be true to themselves and not doing anything wrong or spergalicious.

Like, lol that black guy is funny cuz he black vs. Lol that black guy funny cuz he masturbates to MLP and makes rage videos when people criticize his fetish.

Im happy to poke fun at spergs, but just because you got a sex change doesn't mean you are inherently a sperg. That kinda hate belongs in a different forum, imo.

 

[HG 400]

but just because you got a sex change doesn't mean you are inherently a sperg

Yes it does.