- Joined
- Nov 14, 2012
The Kiwi Farms is a high-risk service due to its enormous complaint volume, abysmal reputation, and the unwanted media attention it brings on its hosts and associated services. Even though we are 100% US legal, it is very difficult to stay online. In the last ten years as admin of this website, I have navigated an increasingly small pool of Internet service providers. I've decided to share some of my experiences with different companies. My intention is mostly to drive positive attention to the people and companies who deserve trust.
This is a tier list organized by how I feel their service handled complaint volume professionally. In general,
I can advertise these because if you do `nslookup kiwifarms.net` you'll see this shit anyways. Might as well give some kudos.
This is a tier list organized by how I feel their service handled complaint volume professionally. In general,
- Ss are services we still use,
- As are great companies that went above and beyond,
- Bs are good companies with some service limitations out of their control,
- Cs are professional companies that may offer good services with restrictive AUPs,
- Ds are unreliable services that at least tried to be professional,
- Fs are for for unprofessional, emotional conduct indicating a provider that cannot be trusted, and
- Xs are reserved for companies which are openly hostile, malicious, to be avoided by any means necessary.
ISPs
S |
 | Exatel is a Polish ISP owned directly by the government of the Republic of Poland. They have never caused problems. |
S |  | Orange is a large European ISP which we have had no conflicts with. |
S |  | Telia (Arelion) is a large Nordic ISP which has never interfered with the Kiwi Farms. In fact, when Terrahost's upstreams were being threatened into blocking our announcement one-by-one, Telia was the last ISP standing. There was a period where only Finnish people were able to natively route to the forum (the horror!). |
S |  | Liberty Global is a Dutch ISP which we have had no conflicts with. An anomaly where a company with "Liberty" in its name isn't just using it for marketing. |
A |  | NTT Global / North America is the only Tier 1 ISP we have used (directly or indirectly) which has not interfered with the right of a US legal website to have Internet access. Supposedly, NTT APAC does block my subnets. |
C |  | GTT, as our upstream's upstream, blocked announcements and blackholed out network. Only after some negotiations did GTT lift the blackhole. They, for some reason, continue to provide announcement at a different PoP. This strange behavior makes me believe there is a North America / EU rift in the company, where the Europeans are more censorious than the Americans. GTT (North America) appears to be a competent and hands-off ISP. |
D |  | Hurricane Electric, one of the largest ISPs in the entire world, blocked 1776 Solution's public IPv6 from routing through their network to their customer's customer's customer (Liberty Lake Datacenter, CrunchBits, Incognet). This is unbelievable and a serious blow to the health of the Internet. The move triggered criticism from the EFF and is probably illegal in Washington, where the censorship took place. Instead of simply undoing their mistake, Hurricane Electric continues to block any direct announcements to my ASN's subnets. They have opted to fight the Attorney General's Office in Washington. This is still ongoing; they have infringed my rights. However, Hurricane has never blocked the Kiwi Farms on provider subnets. Instead, they just refuse to announce my subnets. This means, as long as your own company's reputation is strong enough, they don't seem to censor your customers on your own IP space. |
F |  | iFog is a Swiss datacenter provider with locations in Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, and Spain. They are easily persuaded to pressure downstream providers relying on them into acting as a direct instrument of censorship. Avoid. |
F |   | Lumen (parent company of consumer ISP CenturyLink, formerly known as Level 3) blocked announcements and blackholed connections to our network. Even once Lumen was removed as an upstream, CenturyLink customers were prohibited from accessing the Kiwi Farms or any other website I hosted. Many domestic ISPs using Lumen were also impacted. During the 𝕿𝖔𝖙𝖆𝖑 𝕽𝖊𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖉 𝖂𝖆𝖗, customers complained to both Lumen and the FCC (& state-level counterparts), finally compelling CenturyLink to lift these blackholes. They are still not willing to announce our network. The company is clearly unprofessional and should not be trusted. If you have multiple consumer broadband options, do not go with CenturyLink. |
F |  | Zayo was contacted in December 2021 to provide a 1Gbps uplink with DDoS protection that was going to run us $2,000/mo. It took until August 2022 for this service to come in effect. Within 12 hours of being used as our primary transit, our service was unilaterally severed on a Sunday, blacking out all services for over a week. I have never received an explanation for this termination from any employee, I had to find out by looking at a ticket that they unknowingly made available to me. One employee in Zayo France made the decision and there was no appeals process. Zayo's right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. To this day, Zayo tries to bill me. I have protested their billing emails every month. I do not know why their billing department doesn't understand I am no longer their customer. Do not use Zayo. Their reviews are universally negative. |
X |  | Voxility is a politically active ISP that should be avoided whenever possible. They have blocked several websites from their network and openly gloat about it on Twitter. Unfortunately, Voxility almost holds a monopoly in Eastern European countries, including Ukraine and Romania. Vsys out of Kyiv provides us an uplink, but not to the global Internet, because Voxility blocks our announcement. |
X |  | Cogent is one of the most aggressively shit ISPs in the world. They advertise themselves as a Tier 1 ISP despite not meeting the standard definition of such. Their marketers are so aggressive that they have been warned by ARIN to stop using WHOIS databases to find people to sell to. They have been kicked out of conventions for planting sales reps in the crowds. Despite their poor reputation and historic facilitation of piracy, Cogent's CEO Dave Schaffer is personally involved in trying to shut down this website. I have been informed by sales reps that he personally shut down deals to 1776 Solutions, LLC. They have pressured datacenters into evicting hosts that provided us a VPS. As of October 29th, 2023 they are blackholing a 3rd party provider whose IPs we are using for transit in a way which may be illegal BGP hijacking. Needless to say, never do business with these retards. |
X! |  | Path.net is an ISP that provides DDoS protection. They unilaterally stopped providing services to my IP subnets without warning and were the first ISP to block my IP addresses, as early as 2021. This is because their CTO either is or was Corey Barnhill, a pedophile. Corey does not like our site and has tried to change his name several times to hide his association with audio of him directly confessing to watching child pornography. People in his company are aware of this and cover for him. When pressed about Corey, they have slyly said "nobody by that name works at Path" - which is only technically true, because he now goes by Corey Shiratori. Later, Path.net sent one of our datacenters a phony sealed court order, demanding that any information about Corey working for Path be removed from the site. I hid the posts, but demanded a copy of the court order. When they did not provide a copy of the order, I restored the posts. They then demanded (with a bullshit cease and desist) that my datacenter PHYSICALLY SEIZE MY HARDDRIVES. Path tried to directly harvest my database and site content because they are fucking criminals. To this day, I have received no contact directly from Path and my lawyer never got a real response from theirs. There are many rumors about the management at Path. The CEO is rumored to be a federal informant, and the company is rumored to launch DDoS attacks to punish people trying to leave their service. It suffices to say, they are scum. DO NOT EVER USE PATH, and ask your datacenter if they use Path for DDoS mitigation before signing contracts with them. |
Colocation
| A |  | Operated by a Nevada congressional candidate from the Libertarian party, FiberHub colocated resources for 1776 Solutions for years despite intense deplatforming efforts, unbelievable personal defamation, being directly named by organized harassment campaigns as a primary target, and having to deal with fake court orders by Path.net (see their listing below for info). Fiberhub's colocation only fell short because of its Nevada datacenter's limited upstream offerings, which will be a problem for nobody except the Kiwi Farm, and is actively being remedied by their aspiration to become a full-fledged regional IX. If you have hardware and want it on the west coast, try Vegas before you try California. |
| D |  | WorldStream directly demanded a service provider stop facilitating us in any way. Their reason given was that our Wikipedia page was very negative, and that 'proposed legislation' in the Netherlands could potentially make some posts in the Kiwi Farms illegal there. This logic does not make sense and basically conveys only one thing: "we got complaints, and we don't want to deal with it". They didn't pull service without warning, but I also did not have a direct relationship with them. I will still give them a D instead of an F. |
| F |  | Equinix WA1, along with CogentCo, forced S-tier provider HosTeam PL to remove the Kiwi Farms. |
| F |  | ColoCrossing was a datacenter I lived near in Buffalo, NY. They were the first datacenter I used. Unfortunately, they physically pulled the plug on our devices and told us to move on zero notice. This was due to complaints to Jonathan Yaniv, now known as Jessica Simpson - an infamous Canadian transgender who sued women for not waxing his balls. They also charged me $700 for the overnight shipping. |
| F |  | Vantage forced a large, long-term customer that was a transit provider for the forum out of their datacenter. Despite not even using their networks, Vantage would not tolerate their presence for facilitating the forum. Do not do business with Vantage. |
DDoS Mitigation
A |  | Haproxy-Protection is an FLOSS project for Layer 7 DDoS mitigation and is the algorithmic basis of KiwiFlare, which has supported the Kiwi Farms through a mulitude of attacks after being dropped by Cloudflare. It is developed by Thomas Lynch, a true veteran of hosting weird Internet content, and he currently operates for-profit BasedFlare. |
A |  | C0nW0nk's DDoS Mitigation Script works out the box with OpenResty (Chinese fork of NGINX with built-in Lua scripting) and is free, open source software that works surprisingly well for some shit I downloaded off Github. |
D |  | DDoS-Guard was our second choice after Cloudflare and they lasted less than a day. Despite being from Based Russia!!!, DDoS-Guard is deathly afraid of U.S. law enforcement. When the people trying to deplatform the site claimed we were illegal, they immediately shit themselves and terminated service without warning. Despite their claims that Kiwi Farms was a new customer that blindsided them, the kiwifarms.ru domain had been protected by DDoS-Guard for at least a year. I give DDoS-Guard a D instead of an F because, unlike others, they did not take kiwifarms.ru and make it a groveling PR statement for their company. |
F |  | As much as I want to give Cloudflare some praise for standing by for almost a decade, I can't. When they did terminate:
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F |  | DiamWall is Portuguese. They lasted for a few hours. I'd give them a higher mark for being highly communicative, but they dropped service in early morning hours, without warning, and let the person deplatforming the site spellcheck their fucking statement for them. Like with Cloudflare, they decided to hijack our domain to issue this statement. They're young college students who are not ready to run a company with the kind of exposure that DDoS mitigation creates. |
| U |  | Koddos replied to my email saying they did not want to be involved. |
DNS
| S |  | DNSPod is a DNS operated by Chinese conglomerate Tencent. DNSPod is a proper enterprise service with offerings that far exceed our requirements. They are also highly complaint resistant. In particular, Liz Fong-Jones has been desperately crying to them in both English and Chinese for months to try and get us deplatformed at a DNS level again, without success (knock on wood). |
F | | Hurricane Electric offers DNS for domain zones and apra at dns.he.net - and by "free", I mean: "they will kick you off without so much as an email if they don't like you". |
| F |  | ClouDNS was suggested as a way to intelligently round-robin various reverse-proxies to the Kiwi Farms using their healthchecks. While it was a very effective system, ClouDNS lasted only a few days before routing kiwifarms.st to their branded parking page. They provided no warning to me as a customer before doing so. Path is their upstream, so this is not surprising in retrospect. |
| F | This space reserved for consumer DNS providers blocking us. Currently, no open DNS provider blocks us. |
Domain Registrars
| S |  | .ST is operated by the NIC for São Tomé and Príncipe, an island nation off the coast of west Africa. They have endured an insane amount of complaints and network level attacks levied against their central DNS and despite all of that have allowed us to stay up. They are what we call in the industry "gigachads". |
| A |  | Dreamhost was the first domain registrar I ever used, years before I hosted the Kiwi Farms. It remained my go-to for over ten years. Dreamhost only asked us to move after Byuu faked his death, and gave us plenty of time. |
F |  | Epik domain registrations were bought out by Epik LLC, a mysterious Wyoming corporation with no transparent ownership structure. On December 12th, 2023, they seized kiwifarms.net without warning. However, they did eventually offer transfer codes after sufficient public complaining. Months after, Epik began responding on Twitter to negative posts they had received for putting a clientHold on our domain. They lied and claimed they had received a law enforcement request to seize our domain. When confronted on this lie, they made a snippy remark: "I think you caught us. It was woke liberal employees here cancelling you because they didn't like the hate speech on your site." (archive, archive) |
| F |  | Key-Systems GmbH, as an intermediary registrar for epik used to secure kiwifarms.pl, stole the domain from both me and epik without notice. They have since refused to answer emails, have refused to answer government inquiries from the .pl NIC, and are generally behaving like criminals for no reason instead of just letting me transfer their domains. Do not ever use Key-Systems GmbH and ensure that whatever registrar you use for European TLDs do not use them. |
| U | 1984.is | 1984 is a "free speech" domain registrar that went to court to protect its customers on different occasions, which gave them a strong reputation. However, 1984 has in their Terms of Service what they call a "Nazi clause" which basically says they can terminate service for any reason or no reason - like many terms of service do - while calling you a Nazi for the privilege. They did not want to serve the domain. |
| U | Tucows | Tucows/2cows is an ancient registrar that is the registrar for 4chan.org. In response to emails, their Trust & Safety executive said they would not permit us to transfer our domain to their service, even for the purpose of redirecting to another domain. Tucows (via Njalla) has recently (Jan 2024) frozen a Nitter instance (X/Twitter proxy) without warning. |
| U | njal.la | Njalla is a Tucows reseller. The owner is ANTIFA and ex-Pirate Party. Due to his association with online piracy, he was not permitted by ICANN to become a full-fledged registrar. |
TLDs
S |  | Verisign the owner of .COM, .NET, and .TV. It is one of the oldest NICs and understands its importance in the web of trust that builds the Internet. Verisign is an American company and responds to US court orders, making it bad for piracy, but good for speech. |
| F |  | The descendants of Vikings, the modern Icelander chugs soy and fucks their cousin. ISNIC and .IS (Iceland's national TLD) imbibes the traditional Scandinavian concept of speech. Namely, journos and pirates are protected, but bad words are not. They froze kiwifarms.is without warning, demanded passport scans and proof of address, and now are holding the domain hostage waiting for the US embassy to verify my passport is real. (Update: After more than 6 months, this company has not followed up.) |
F |  | Identity Digital, formerly Donuts, owns a significant number of new novelty gTLDs. When the Kiwi Farms was first returning to clearnet, we used sneed.today - which was seized by Identity Digital, with zero contact or warning. This company should not be trusted. |
VPS / VDS / Dedicated Servers
Current Frontends
When I buy a dedicated, I am looking at bandwidth, not the specs. These are just TCP proxies.I can advertise these because if you do `nslookup kiwifarms.net` you'll see this shit anyways. Might as well give some kudos.
S+ |  | Mevspace is a Polish host in Warsaw with their own datacenter, which liberates them from having to comply with another AUP. They were willing to ignore Cogent's demands that the Kiwi Farms be censored, which resulted in the ISP announcing and blackholing their IP address we were leased. Surviving the storm since October 8th, 2023. Mevspace is our longest lasting provider which has never completely broken to deplatforming pressures, even from their T1 upstreams. |
S |  | PrivateLayer is Swiss. They're good. They're in a good datacenter. They have good support. Their VPSs are good. They tolerate our complaint volume. They're a bit expensive, but they're good, and they take crypto. Surviving the storm since December 15th, 2023. |
S |  | Evoluso is an "offshore" provider with locations throughout Europe. We use their Swedish location due to the presence of multiple advantageous upstreams (i.e. assholes like Cogent or RETN). There have been no problems with them, and they take crypto. Surviving the storm since January 13th, 2024. Affiliate URL: https://evoluso.com/u/?affid=257 |
S |  | Incognet is an American host with options in the US and Netherlands. They are a small, privacy-focused organization offering native IPv6 support, a permissive AUP, and cryptocurrency payment options. They are very well regarded in the hobbyist webhost sphere, in the same vein as BuyVM. They were forced to remove us by their datacenter (Worldstream, NL). However, since then, Incognet has opened two new locations: Liberty Lake, WA and Kansas City, Missouri. Hurricane Electric blocked us in Washington, but we maintain connections in Kansas City. They are working on getting transit up in Indochina and DDoS mitigation through other providers in the US. Incognet's people are idealists and are truly dedicated to privacy and Internet freedom. They also sell a VPN now. Survived the storm since October 13th, 2022 to October 19th and became the first host to try again on September 26th, 2023. |
| S- |  | Rumble Cloud is a startup competitor to AWS. They have DDoS mitigation through Path(!!) and transit with Cogent(!!), but somehow the Kiwi Farms is able to stay up through them. I'm not really sure how. I have repeatedly tried to pressure them to get better transit but they don't return my emails.  Survived the storm since April 24th, 2024. |
Previous Hosts
A | VIRTUAL SYSTEMS | Virtual Systems (vsys.host) is a Ukrainian host based out of Kyiv. They are total chads. When the Kiwi Farms went down after Cloudflare dropped us, I pointed the domain at a very cheap vsys VPS with a static error page. The troons on Twitter went absolutely nuts, accused me of being a Putin shill, tried to get the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense to force Vsys to shut us down (LOL) and posted their address as if to call Ukrainian nationalists to hurt a Ukrainian company in the heart of the capital. Despite all this nonsense, they've continued to allow us to host forward facing services with them. Vsys has done literally everything they can to help us. We don't currently use them but I would use them again. Surviving the storm since August 25th, 2022. Referral URL: https://vsys.host/aff.php?aff=166 |
A |  | HostSlick has provided support for my hosting efforts in various forms for almost a year now. They have been seriously hampered by very censorious datacenters and ISPs but the owner is unshaken by controversy and has not allowed his business partners to act as lawmakers. We don't currently use HostSlick because they did not have DDoS protection to deal with attacks we receive, but they have since moved datacenters, and I've not had reason to try again. Surviving the storm since September 15th, 2022. Referral URL: https://hostslick.com/clients/aff.php?aff=517 |
A |  | Terrahost is an Epik partner with a high variety of VPS locations. They offer DDoS protection out the box, complementary IPv6, and "Enigma" - which is a contender for best VPS management GUIs I've seen. Unfortunately, we are no longer with Terrahost because trannies threatened every single one of their upstreams into removing our subnets from their announcements. Terrahost tried their best but would not let us use their own IPs. |
A |  | BuyVM was one of the longest lasting VPS providers that we used during the era before the Kiwi Farms had its own Internet resources. The owner only relented when the world's biggest Evanescence fan (a lonely old man who is literally demented) imported a UK defamation suit to Canada using an exploit with the Commonwealth. Despite this, they lasted over a year, communicated, and gave us time to move off. They hold a stellar reputation among hobbyists online, and I would strongly recommend them for anyone hosting anything less difficult than the Kiwi Farms. They offer a lot of networking services that are hard to find, not just VPSs and dedis. |
A |  | Versaweb provided our first dedicated server on a rent-to-own scheme. I still have this server and use it for smaller websites. Versa and BuyVM share a lot of the same datacenters and libertarian philosophies. Their Las Vegas location makes them ideal for a west coast PoP without actually being in California. However, their datacenter (FiberHub, their parent company) has limited upstream options. |
A |  | HosTeam is a Polish company which silently provided exceptional uptime for the Kiwi Farms over a period of months, until Cogent and Equinix Warsaw forced them to ask that I remove the Kiwi Farms (which they did with 24 hours notice, a step up above almost everyone else). They also were able to endure DDoS attacks that nobody else was - I think they filter it themselves since they're a large provider with important Polish clients. |
B |  | Alexhost is a Moldova provider that owns their own datacenter in the country, however their upstreams are Voxility and Cogent which politically ban the Kiwi Farms. They have recently opened presence in Netherlands in a 3rd party datacenter but without using more censorious ISPs. Survived the storm between September 13th, 2022 to October 2023. Forced to censor by Serverius. Survived the storm again between May 2024 and March 2025. Forced to censor by iFog. |
B | NiceVPS | NiceVPS operates out of the Netherlands and Switzerland. Unlike a lot of hosts, they actually provide IPv6 by default, which is really nice. Sitting in the heart of Europe, their networking is extremely fast, and they provide tiered levels of DDoS protection (which is very unique, usually it's 1-size fits all or you have to buy a very expensive server just for the DDoS protection). They were willing to work with us, but wanted money for 1Tbps of DDoS protection which amounted to $900/mo - more than I was willing to pay because I already am paying to get DDoS protection elsewhere. I'm keeping them on the table. Surviving the storm since October 7th, 2022. Referral URL: https://nicevps.net/index/?aff=019135a2 |
B |  | Shinjiru offers VPS and dedis out of Malaysia. Its international connectivity is lacking, but that is typical of any host outside of HK/SG in Asia/Oceania. Their 12 core 1Gbps unmetered dedi is $90/mo. Shinjiru has a strong reputation for offshore hosting. I believe they nullrouted us more often than not, likely due to DDoS attacks. Since our DNS does not presently correctly navigate downed nodes, I've pulled them out of rotation. Surviving the storm since September 9th, 2022. Referral URL: https://billing.shinjiru.com/aff.php?aff=320 |
C | iHostArt is a Romanian service operated by a one guy named Calin. He repeatedly offered to help the Kiwi Farms but until recently he hosted out of his basement. It is hard to place iHostArt because he really wants to host us but has issues every time we try him. | |
C |  | Linode was our first host and was not put through the same tests as others. They dropped at the first sign of heat. However, they communicated well and gave us time to move. My account was left up with them and I still use them for small, normal projects because their service is quite good. |
C |  | We briefly used DigitalOcean for hosting. Like with Linode, they gave us professional notice and we moved on without incident and without my account being terminated. I still use them for some ordinary projects. |
D |  | I put Lolcow Email and the Kiwi Farms outbound email on a CloudVPS installation a very long time ago (maybe 8 years ago). CloudVPS got bought by TransIP, which had me worried, because (in particular) Liz Fong-Jones used his lizf@google.com email address to try and scare CloudVPS into taking down our email server. That did not work. Fast-forward 6 years later and TransIP sends me an email that we violated their ToS by getting DDoS attacked, so they were terminating service immediately (on a Friday). I asked them to give us time to move, since we'd been on their service for almost a fucking decade. After consulting their 'legal team', they relented on the following Monday. I give them a D instead of an F because they did give us a window, but I shouldn't have even needed to ask considering how long I've been with them. |
F |  | vShield.pro dropped after 2 weeks without warning or communication. Survived the storm between September 15th, 2022 to October 6th. |
| X |  | Gandi was the second host we used after Linode dropped us. I hadn't figured out how to use reverse proxies yet, so this was a big deal. A French company, Gandi lived up to the reputation of the surrender monkeys and dropped service almost immediately. In their disorganized retreat, they did not even bother warn us before dropping service. This caused me to have to use a stale archive and lose days of activity. Gandi also lied and said we hosted child abuse material. They based this off hosting a clip of Goosh Goosh, an anime meme which can be found on YouTube. This lie has seriously damaged our reputation and is still spread to this day. I would recommend Gandi to literally no one. |
Misc
S |  | After the Kiwi Farms started having uptime difficulties due to brigades against our service providers, I turned to Telegram to get announcements out. Despite immense, public pressure to delete my channel and chat room for the Kiwi Farms, Telegram did not relent. They have blocked our telegram channel from appearing in web previews, so you will need an account to see it. I'm not sure what the purpose of this restriction is, and it does annoy many users who do not want to make a Telegram account. |
X |  | I don't know what honeycomb.io even does, but its CTO is Liz Fong-Jones, who has been accused of rape - or a "consent accident", as they put it. Liz is insane and uses their honeycomb email address to threaten ISPs to deplatform us. Do not support this business. |
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