US NYT: Debate Over Monkeypox Messaging Divides N.Y.C. Health Department - Too scared to tell faggots to abstain during an outbreak.

Debate Over Monkeypox Messaging Divides N.Y.C. Health Department​

The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Joseph Goldstein
2022-07-18 9:43PM ET

The spread of monkeypox has ignited a debate within the New York City Health Department over whether the agency should encourage gay men to reduce their number of sexual partners during this summer’s outbreak.

Inside the department, officials are battling over public messaging as the number of monkeypox cases has nearly tripled in the last week, nearly all of them among men who have sex with men. A few epidemiologists say the city should be encouraging gay men to temporarily change their sexual behavior while the disease spreads, while other officials argue that approach would stigmatize gay men and would backfire.

The internal divisions peaked when the health department issued an advisory last week suggesting that having sex while infected with monkeypox could be made safer if people avoided kissing and covered their sores. Several officials at the agency were outraged, saying the agency was giving misleading and even dangerous health advice, according to several epidemiologists within the department and a review of internal emails.

The advice on safer sex was not medically sound, said Dr. Don Weiss, the director of surveillance for the department’s Bureau of Communicable Disease, in an interview. He believes the department should advise those at risk of monkeypox to temporarily reduce their number of partners, saying, “We’re not telling people what they have to do to be safe.”

His concerns are shared by some of his colleagues, emails and interviews show, indicating growing frustration and pessimism within the ranks of the health department as the window for controlling New York City’s monkeypox epidemic — the largest such outbreak in the United States — quickly closes.

Monkeypox has been spreading globally since early May. In New York City, where nearly all monkeypox patients are gay or bisexual men, there were 618 documented cases of monkeypox in the city as of Monday, though Dr. Weiss said that the true number of infections was far higher, because testing has been limited.

The strategy favored by Dr. Weiss, who has long played a frontline role in the department’s response to disease outbreaks, has received little traction within the department.

In fact, the agency in a statement Monday argued against such an approach. “For decades, the L.G.B.T.Q.+ community has had their sex lives dissected, prescribed, and proscribed in myriad ways, mostly by heterosexual and cis people,” the statement said.

The city’s response to monkeypox is grounded in the science and history of “how poorly abstinence-only guidance has historically performed,” the statement said, “with this disgraceful legacy in mind.”

The field of public health has long struggled with how best and even to what degree public health officials should tell people to change their sexual behavior in times of outbreak.

The debate is influenced by the early years of H.I.V./AIDS, when terror and stigma ran high. The stakes are far lower with monkeypox, given that no one in the United States has yet died from the disease, treatments and vaccines exist, and for many the illness appears to pass relatively quickly.

Still, some epidemiologists say an aggressive response now — while transmission is predominantly limited to gay and bisexual men — could prevent the virus from becoming endemic in New York or reaching a broader swath of the population.

Some public health experts say that many gay men are likely to reject advice that could be seen as discouraging or stigmatizing gay sex. These experts say that such advice shifts blame onto gay men for the outbreak and could lead them to view public health authorities with distrust.

“Telling people not to have sex or not to have multiple sex partners or not to have anonymous sex is just a no-go, and it’s not going to work,” said a longtime AIDS activist, Charles King, who is chief executive of Housing Works, which provides housing and social services to the homeless and those affected by H.I.V.

“People are still going to have sex, and they’re going to have it even if it comes with great risk,” he said.

But there may be a middle ground, some experts said, noting that urging people to temporarily reduce their number of sexual partners or avoid sex parties where they might have multiple partners is not the same as a message of abstinence or monogamy.

“Name the risk factors and behaviors and give people options,” said Dr. Dustin Duncan, a epidemiologist of infectious diseases among sexual and gender minority groups at Columbia University.

He offered an example: telling people they could reduce their risk of getting monkeypox by “having one consistent casual partner as opposed to multiple people” seemed a reasonable message at the moment, he said.

Dr. Weiss said that asking people to change their sexual behavior — even if just for a month or so — was the most potent weapon available right now for reducing monkeypox transmission. Vaccine supply is limited and had been initially doled out via hard-to-get appointments during daytime hours at a few clinics, though mass vaccination sites have opened in recent days.

He has at times suggested the Department should promote short-term abstinence, a relatively fringe position. At other times he has suggested the department should warn gay men to refrain from anonymous sex.

Dr. Weiss said his recommendations have been largely ignored by the department’s senior leadership, who seem “paralyzed by fear of stigmatizing this disease,” he wrote in an email to colleagues this June.

“If we had an outbreak associated with bowling, would we not warn people to stop bowling?” he wrote.

So far, the health department’s reluctance to publicly encourage people to change their sexual behavior, unless they are actively infected with monkeypox, mirrors the broader messaging about the outbreak by the federal government.

The department’s advice, posted on its website, does note that “Having sex or other intimate contact with multiple or anonymous people (such as those met through social media, dating apps, or at parties) can increase your risk of exposures.”

At an online “town hall” event last week about monkeypox, the city’s health commissioner, Dr. Ashwin Vasan, said the department’s goal is to be “sex positive.”

“We want to in no way stigmatize sex at all,” Dr. Vasan said. “We want to be very clear there are certain activities and one of them is intimate sexual contact that places you at higher risk in certain settings.”

Other health experts, have, like Dr. Weiss, publicly called for a temporary change in sexual behavior. At an online briefing last week by the Infectious Diseases Society of America, Dr. Lilian Abbo, associate chief medical officer for infectious diseases at Jackson Health System in Miami, urged people to use condoms and said that having unprotected sex with multiple partners is “actually exponentially increasing the spread.”

“We all can take part preventing the continued spread, and that’s important that everyone takes a bit of ownership and understands that you can put others at risk,” she said.

Dr. Weiss, who has held the same job for 22 years, investigating and responding to new outbreaks for the Bureau of Communicable Disease, said he felt obliged to speak out publicly because he felt the department’s public statements were at times irresponsible.

He pointed to the news release issued on Friday containing several prevention tips for “those who choose to have sex while sick.”

It stated that covering up monkeypox sores with clothes or bandages while having sex “may help reduce — but not eliminate” the risk of transmission. The release also said “for those who choose to have sex while sick, it is best to avoid kissing and other face-to-face contact.”

Dr. Weiss said it was “ludicrous” to suggest these steps would meaningfully reduce the risk.

The Health Department’s guidance to the public has often highlighted nonsexual routes of potential transmission, such as hugging or contact with bedding. While those are certainly possible routes of transmission, the result — Dr. Weiss said — was to make people overly concerned about casual physical contact and not sufficiently aware that most monkeypox infections in New York appeared to be transmitted through sex.

Dr. Weiss said he has supervised a team of epidemiologists who reviewed many of the city’s monkeypox cases. In most, patients have had lesions on the penis, anus or in the rectum, suggesting, he said, that the disease is spreading mainly through sexual contact.

He also said that reports of asymptomatic spread and the presence of the virus DNA in semen should have resulted in the department’s recasting their public advice.

“I know I sound like a Bible-thumping preacher,” Dr. Weiss wrote recently to a group of epidemiologists in a Department of Health email chain.

But, he has argued, “If we don’t act soon, it may be the point of no return.”
 
"Listen young adults! You WILL wear the fucking mask and you WILL get a novel, poorly tested vaccine that might sterilize you to hypothetically indirectly reduce the number of cases which might in theory save a few boomers! Oh and BTW we are shutting down the economy and printing money and if you don't think this is a reasonable reaction then you are a conspiracy theorist who wants grandmas to die!"

"Woah! Asking gay men not to have rawdog sex with a bunch of strangers is just too much to ask of our protected class!"
 
Some public health experts say that many gay men are likely to reject advice that could be seen as discouraging or stigmatizing gay sex. These experts say that such advice shifts blame onto gay men for the outbreak and could lead them to view public health authorities with distrust.

“Telling people not to have sex or not to have multiple sex partners or not to have anonymous sex is just a no-go, and it’s not going to work,” said a longtime AIDS activist, Charles King, who is chief executive of Housing Works, which provides housing and social services to the homeless and those affected by H.I.V.

“People are still going to have sex, and they’re going to have it even if it comes with great risk,” he said.

So, gay men, are they normal fellow citizens, or horrendous degenerates completely incapable of exercising a modicum of dick restraint for a month?
 

A lot of people out there are downplaying this new monkeypox pandemic, and I believe that is a huge mistake. If a smallpox outbreak had suddenly erupted, everyone would be totally freaking out. But the general public doesn’t seem very alarmed about monkeypox even though it is very closely related to smallpox. According to the official CDC website, monkeypox “is part of the same family of viruses as variola virus, the virus that causes smallpox”. In the past, monkeypox has not spread easily among humans, but something has changed that has now made that possible. As I detailed last week, scientists are telling us that approximately 50 key mutations have turned this bug into something new that we haven’t seen before.

Most people seem to think that the hideous sores that this virus produces on the skin are the most frightening aspect of this disease, but that isn’t true.

Many of the victims that have had monkeypox so far are telling us that the worst part is the absolutely excruciating pain. In fact, one man that has had both COVID and monkeypox says that monkeypox is “100 times worse”

A Dallas man who is recovering from monkeypox says the symptoms are “100 times worse” than COVID-19 and feels like someone was sticking needles in him.

“I’m not allowed to leave my apartment and I’m too terrified to even want to give this to anybody because this has been the most traumatic experience,” Luke Shannahan said.
Shannahan also says that he “thought he was going to die” as he laid in bed for two days straight…

He got the coronavirus last summer but said monkeypox doesn’t compare.
“Oh 100 times worse,” he said. “This was a totally different level of extreme fatigue.”
Shannahan said he laid in his bed for two days straight and thought he was going to die.
Does that sound like something that you want to catch?

Monkeypox has now spread to 76 different countries, and a total of 12,701 cases have been reported.

That may not sound like a lot, but the number of cases has continued to rise at an exponential pace.

If the number of cases continues to double at the current rate, it won’t be too long before we are facing a nightmare scenario

The worst outcome isn’t hard to imagine—10,000 cases could quickly bloom into 100,000 cases. Then 1 million. Various experts and agencies disagree over the precise definition of “pandemic,” but if the pox outbreak doesn’t already qualify, it’s increasingly likely that it will in the weeks to come. At that point, the world will be contending with simultaneous pandemics.
 
The advice on safer sex was not medically sound, said Dr. Don Weiss, the director of surveillance for the department’s Bureau of Communicable Disease, in an interview. He believes the department should advise those at risk of monkeypox to temporarily reduce their number of partners, saying, “We’re not telling people what they have to do to be safe.”
Just stop doing buttsex until it all blows over.
 
“Telling people not to have sex or not to have multiple sex partners or not to have anonymous sex is just a no-go, and it’s not going to work,” said a longtime AIDS activist, Charles King, who is chief executive of Housing Works, which provides housing and social services to the homeless and those affected by H.I.V.
"They're just like you, there is no difference between fags and normal people"
 
This is why despite my belief in single payer healthcare, America would be utterly fucked if it adopted the system and people should stop asking until the culture becomes more conservative. You can have single payer systems or you can have a liberal, "tolerant" society, you can't have both. This extends to all the fats, troons, drug users, promiscuous heterosexuals, etc.
 
The advice on safer sex was not medically sound, said Dr. Don Weiss, the director of surveillance for the department’s Bureau of Communicable Disease, in an interview. He believes the department should advise those at risk of monkeypox to temporarily reduce their number of partners, saying, “We’re not telling people what they have to do to be safe.”

Then you're not doing your literal fucking jobs.

And that's literally all these same assholes did during covid, but they didn't just tell us what we had to do, they fucking harassed, harangued, and threatened us for goddamned years about it.

But now that it's degenerate queers spreading gay monkey leprosy around, now, all of a sudden, they don't want to be preachy and judgey?

Go fuck an AIDS monkey, hypocrites.
 
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It seems like a similar situation the left is stuck in with being pro-abortion. "People will have sex even if it's at great risk" is just wishing that we aren't biological creatures with predictable outcomes; it's maddening for people to be shocked that they do have some control over avoiding those outcomes! Maybe if our public health messaging wasn't all about being free to do whatever we want, and then abruptly shifting when it does call for some level of responsibility, there wouldn't be such resistance or confusion about what our priorities should be.
 
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