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IIRC, the new bill DOES keep the rule regarding pre-existing conditions. (And yeah, you'd be surprised what some of them were.)

I don't think it's so much that people are dying (though there have been some horror stories), it's more that you have people going bankrupt due to medical bills. In fact, it's the number one cause of bankruptcy in this country.
And wherever you are on the political spectrum, that's pretty messed up -- you shouldn't have to lose your house because you get cancer or get hit by a car. Any one of us could be hit by some sort of health crisis -- it doesn't matter how much of a health and fitness freak you are. Genetics, environment, accidents, and just plain ol' bad luck.

(And I wish people would concentrate more on this kind of thing, rather than the petty bullshit we see at Everyday Feminism and the like)
 
IIRC, the new bill DOES keep the rule regarding pre-existing conditions. (And yeah, you'd be surprised what some of them were.)

I don't think it's so much that people are dying (though there have been some horror stories), it's more that you have people going bankrupt due to medical bills. In fact, it's the number one cause of bankruptcy in this country.
And wherever you are on the political spectrum, that's pretty messed up -- you shouldn't have to lose your house because you get cancer or get hit by a car. Any one of us could be hit by some sort of health crisis -- it doesn't matter how much of a health and fitness freak you are. Genetics, environment, accidents, and just plain ol' bad luck.

(And I wish people would concentrate more on this kind of thing, rather than the petty bullshit we see at Everyday Feminism and the like)

Honestly, who the fuck knows what the hell is in the bill in the first place? No average American is gonna want to suffer through 30000 pages of legalese to find out whether or not they're fucked. Hell, most government folk won't look ten pages into the thing.
 
Remember when Obamacare got pushed through Congress, and liberals basically said "We're doing this our way, because we want to, because we're in power and we can, and we don't care if you don't like it."?

It's almost like it's actually a problem when it's done to them, or something.

It isn't exactly comparable, because Obamacare was being openly debated and revised in several different bills in congress for well over a year. Plus they let republicans write and add a dozen or so amendments to the final version in a good-faith effort to court votes from the other side (which didn't work). Eventually they did pass it without GOP votes, but they still had to wait for Al Franken to take his seat as the 60th democratic senator after his appointment was obstructed for 11 months after his election by republican demands for recounts, all to get around the filibusters.

This bill is being passed through on a much smaller timetable without even attempting to take suggestions from democrats.
 
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IIRC, the new bill DOES keep the rule regarding pre-existing conditions. (And yeah, you'd be surprised what some of them were.)

I don't think it's so much that people are dying (though there have been some horror stories), it's more that you have people going bankrupt due to medical bills. In fact, it's the number one cause of bankruptcy in this country.
And wherever you are on the political spectrum, that's pretty messed up -- you shouldn't have to lose your house because you get cancer or get hit by a car. Any one of us could be hit by some sort of health crisis -- it doesn't matter how much of a health and fitness freak you are. Genetics, environment, accidents, and just plain ol' bad luck.

(And I wish people would concentrate more on this kind of thing, rather than the petty bullshit we see at Everyday Feminism and the like)

The problem is there are a lot of lolbertarians and Republicans who think that health shouldn't be a natural right, until they're hit with a rare disease or a genetic condition or their kids or family members have something. You can work out, eat right, be a sexy model and then one day you sneeze too hard and you burst a brain anyeruism .

It leaves you in a coma for 2 weeks and then you have lost all bladder and bowel control and then you need PT to learn how to use your legs again and strengthen those muscles back up. Its not lifestyle, its not diet. It just is. That will easily bankrupt you. Recovery is some of the most expensive parts of illness. And you want to cut it short, ok. If you do, then tell someone they'll never be able to walk right or take a shit again because of money and something they had no control over. And believe it or not, most health issues you have little to no control over. They're have been major studies and you want to know what a huge influence of cancer is? Random chance. Some people naturally build plaque in their arteries and it kills them. Some people can eat the fattiest foods on earth and their arteries remain clean.

Health and life is a natural right. Its 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness', it isn't 'Life (unless it affects my bottom line)'. I'm not a fan of Obamacare either, I think its just one big blowjob to Insurance companies anyway.

But #1 Bankruptcy is healthcare, and the #1 section on GoFundMe, A site that raised 3 billion, is also healthcare. This bill is a garbage bill rammed through the house just to ram it through and there is literally 0 chance it passes the Senate in the state its in. Its going to probably get gutted, if it even passes the Senate at all. So I really don't care about it, besides just how shitty it is. Though I think the house knows and doesn't give a fuck. But the state of healthcare in the United States is atrocious.

I don't think anything will ever be done about it by either party though, because the 2 industries that stand to lose the most are the pharmaceutical and private insurance industries. When you make combined profits of probably half-a-trillion, I don't think things are gonna change.
 
Quite frankly, (and I don't give a shit if I get negged for this), we're long overdue for single-payer. We're almost the only industrialized national that doesn't have it, and our healthcare system is a mess. Medicare is probably one of the most successful and popular government programs.
Anybody I've talked to living outside the US is satisfied with it -- yes, there are issues, but no more so than with Medicare. Anything's better than what we have now.


(And don't even get me started on "pre-existing conditions". ANYTHING can be a pre-existing condition nowadays. Fuckers)
The problem is there are going to be a number of plans that people are going to want to be on there, which other countries with SP systems don't have. Even if we decided "Let's model it after X health plan, which is efficient and inexpensive but add Y and Z to it" you end up with a bloated system that is no longer efficient and inexpensive. (Not to mention other variables)
 
my great-uncle, a staunch Archie Bunker Trump supporter, lives on his SSI and has diabetes.

Right now he's acting like someone who hates koolaid in Jonestown. I'm going to screenshot anything he actually posts. The salt is incredible. I really thought he'd ride the trumptrain all the way through.
 
this depends on your state. you see, there are states that have a more progressive economic bent, where the medical costs of children and the disabled are paid for (Washington, I think, Vermont, California, maybe, and a handful of liberal ish Yankee/northern states). these states usually have a decent enough economy to support people in need, they usually have complied with the ACA and expanded medical coverage and lowered insurance rates across the board for all the middle and lower classes. you can get an abortion paid for by state medical coverage in a few of these states, even.

they tend to have tech corporate culture in at least one major city, usually they've got big chunks of state taxes or sales tax though.

then, you've got the south/southwest. since the south lost its economic center when it lost the civil war (slave-produced textiles are lucrative) it's been struggling. (the prison economy is a backbone for some of these states-Missouri, New Mexico, etc)

a lot of those states are red/right wing/religious all the way through, except for black neighborhoods. they're also the areas most reliant on federal funding, ironically- the white areas, that is. they use the most food stamps, welfare, and disability on federal funding. these states also have rich, old family inhabitants, of course, as well as a shitload of unemployed but working class people.

these are the states where the legislatures did not comply with the ACA, rendering those funds unavailable to the people there that need it. the ACA is unpopular in a lot of states where it wasn't even really implemented.

the ACA isn't a great end-all solution to anything, but in places where they followed through with it, it's popular.

as for kids, the ACA is meant to cover everyone up to the age of twenty-something.
in states without full ACA coverage, local programs SOMETIMES fill the gap. I lived in a region for a while, where mining was the biggest employer- no ACA for folks there. the state is red and hadn't complied. there is no local program for children that's standard. WIC will step in and assist to some extent, churches might, or cps will seize kids and put them in foster care... making them wards of the state, the state then pays for their medical. cps will step in up to 16, after that, fuck you. they street the kids at 18, too. like that birthday is gtfo day.

it's a really hard thing to understand unless you've seen most of the US. this place is massive and every region is distinct. some care about the chilllllluns and some just... don't. some send kids to space camp and others send them to that Bible theme park.

it's fucking weird.

was trying to reply to this. shit. I had to edit this sperg like ten times.

You sweet American folks, explain to me why American kids don't get their healthcare paid for by the government. They don't make 'lifestyle choices' that the moralisers can blame their healthcare problems on, and they're too young to work and therefore pay for insurance of their own.

I don't get it. The arguments in favour of 'don't pay for healthcare for the scroungers RRREEEEE muh taxes' don't apply to kids. Why don't kids get paid for?

Is it not a social good and an investment in the future of the US as a nation to make sure kids are healthy, as well as educated (which the government already pays for)?

(I have asked this question elsewhere but the answer I always get is 'dunno'. You folks are more politically engaged.)
 
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The repeal would be genuinely bad for a lot of people, but


It offers a bunch of tax cuts for the rich, cuts subsides, cancels medicaid expansion, and deregulates state exchanges so that way plans on the marketplace are no longer obligated to cover a bunch of stuff

It's a legitimately bad bill that will make life worse for a lot of people. But the amount of screeching is insane, because the bill has no chance of getting fully passed, and the worst case scenario is we go halfway back to the pre-Obamacare healthcare system

They're about halfway to reaching tea party-levels of crazed delusion.
As someone who was really scared of what was going to happen (don't feel like powerleveling, just stuff going on with my dad) I was prepared to get pissed at you guys, but posts like this made me feel a lot calmer. I'm getting sick of this "listen and believe" garbage.
 
that Medicaid rollback is what's going to hurt the most people. all the working folks who aren't covered because they're thirty-four hour workweek part timers. they can't afford to pay a dime, most of them are barely making rent and have two jobs, etc.

they've been covered for a few years in my state now by the expansion of Medicaid, it closed up a gap for lower income working people. worst case scenario, everyone on that expansion will completely lose healthcare access at the end of the fiscal year (basically, they'll all go to work sick unless they can't stand up, then they'll clog up the ER, and the ones with diabetes and shit will just go back to the ER weekly etc)

that's worst-case. I can see it happening. fuck, a reality show 'actor' who's never had a job interview or a boss, is president. fucking anything could happen.


we're burning it all down, who the hell knows.


powerleveling: I hate it when people go to work contagious, they get entire workplaces infested, it's how everything nasty spreads. plus the ER is for emergencies, it's been good to see it used that way lately, since so many people finally had a regular doctor to go to for flu/itches/rashes/soreness. we'll have them overloading us again as soon as Medicaid expansion ends.
 
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