UK Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law



Octopuses, crabs and lobsters will receive greater welfare protection in UK law following an LSE report which demonstrates that there is strong scientific evidence that these animals have the capacity to experience pain, distress or harm.
The UK government has today confirmed that that the scope of the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill will be extended to all decapod crustaceans and cephalopod molluscs.
This move follows the findings of a government-commissioned independent review led by Dr Jonathan Birch. The review drew on over 300 existing scientific studies to evaluate evidence of sentience in cephalopods (including octopuses, squid and cuttlefish) and decapods (including crabs, lobsters and crayfish).
Dr Jonathan Birch, Associate Professor at LSE’s Centre for Philosophy of Natural and Social Science and Principal Investigator on the Foundations of Animal Sentience project, said:
"I'm pleased to see the government implementing a central recommendation of my team's report. After reviewing over 300 scientific studies, we concluded that cephalopod molluscs and decapod crustaceans should be regarded as sentient, and should therefore be included within the scope of animal welfare law.
“The amendment will also help remove a major inconsistency: octopuses and other cephalopods have been protected in science for years, but have not received any protection outside science until now. One way the UK can lead on animal welfare is by protecting these invertebrate animals that humans have often completely disregarded."
The review also evaluated the potential welfare implications of current commercial practices involving these animals. It recommends against declawing, nicking, eyestalk ablation, the sale of live decapod crustaceans to untrained, non-expert handlers, and extreme slaughter methods such as live boiling without stunning. It also includes suggestions for best practices for transport, stunning and slaughter.
Animal Welfare Minister Lord Goldsmith said:
“The UK has always led the way on animal welfare and our Action Plan for Animal Welfare goes even further by setting out our plans to bring in some of the strongest protections in the world for pets, livestock and wild animals.
“The Animal Welfare Sentience Bill provides a crucial assurance that animal wellbeing is rightly considered when developing new laws. The science is now clear that crustaceans and molluscs can feel pain and therefore it is only right they are covered by this vital piece of legislation.”
Although decapod crustaceans and cephalopods have complex central nervous systems, one of the key hallmarks of sentience, up until now they have not been recognised under the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill.
 
>Be me, vertebrate
>Back pain
>Broken bones
>Aches from deformed skeleton
>Jealous of our invertebrate overlords

Whatever as long as they don't give the same status to women.
 
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The mantle tastes exactly like the tentacles, minus the crunchiness of the suckers. Boiled octopus with tomato sauce and spaghetti is fucking delicious.

Also, feels quite weird to see people wondering what octopus tastes like. It's basically a staple where I live.
For me it’s the preparation. Prior to this recent inflation I ate squid once or twice a month, and I have prepared a full squid, but I usually just get precut rings or tentacles.

But I’ve yet to ever see anything other than a whole octopus in stores, and I can’t quite bring myself to actually cut one open. I’ve done crustaceans, squids, fish, but octopus seems like a major bridge to cross.
 
The correct plural of "octopus" is "octopodes." Fucking Angloids.

You mean 'Angoli'.

I will keep saying
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For me it’s the preparation. Prior to this recent inflation I ate squid once or twice a month, and I have prepared a full squid, but I usually just get precut rings or tentacles.

But I’ve yet to ever see anything other than a whole octopus in stores, and I can’t quite bring myself to actually cut one open. I’ve done crustaceans, squids, fish, but octopus seems like a major bridge to cross.
Go to a restaurant where they prepare it for you. Octopus salad, drooling at the thought.
 
Bacteria react to pain, so do plants.
The standard they’re setting is utterly ridiculous.
 
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Bacteria react to pain, so do plants.
You surely can see the intelligence difference between bacteria and an octopus.

Anyway, I can recommend this book for anyone interested in the subject:
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Something from the introduction which really grabbed me was that humans and octopus' common ancestor is essentially a pre-dinosaur primitive worm with no brain at all. It's not like chimpanzees where intelligence evolved and we only recently diverged so that their brains and our brains are close cousins. Or even dogs, cats, mice or birds. There's no common intelligence between us - entirely co-evolving systems of reasoning. About six years ago a team finished mapping a complete genome of a species of octopus and declared it the weirdest DNA they'd ever seen. Huge number of genes¹ that appear to have no ancestor, high number of genes that can move around ("transpons"). They described the Octopus as an "alien" living next to us.

¹ They're not sure which of their many genes accounts for their predilection for Japanese schoolgirls
 
Octopuses, sure. but Crabs? that pretty much means that bugs are next since they are so close to crabs...
 
Octopuses, sure. but Crabs? that pretty much means that bugs are next since they are so close to crabs...
The former is capable of complex behaviours and able to solve complex paths to obtain food, the latter isn't.

Its difficult to label what is sentience at the end of the day, I mean I have had various pets all my life and you can pick up that Mammals have the ability to feel pain, joy, fear etc. have strops and moods like we do. There is even cross species empathy between humans and mammals, my guinea pigs can tell if I am acting weirdly and I can pick up on their emotions if they don't like something. Considering that we and mammals are both of nature (and we are mammals) then our minds probably work the same way, just we have been lucky in evolving in the neurological side of things.

I can see Octopuses having some probably different form of consciousness but they are capable of learning their environment.

Fish, insects, crabs and others don't simply have the neural pathways to achieve this. A friend of mine has a tarantula and while she is awesome, she never learns anything and simply reacts to stimuli based on hard coded behaviour, be it movement (to eat), hormones (to mate) and the genetically coded stuff about making webs etc. Yes it is intelligence in some form (webs are for example impressive) but it isn't really self determining.
 
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