Off-The-Grid: Have you considered it? Tried it? - Unofficial Jeremiah Johnson Fanclub

I have 10 acres in the far north woods of the Upper Peninsula. I built a cozy 3 bedroom, 1.5 cabin along with a septic drainage system that doubles as a compost feed for my garden. It's equipped with solar panels but not dependent upon electronics. I also have a root cellar that doubles as a storm cellar. I'm huge into canning and preservatives. I have well water and a rainwater filtration system that requires minimal upkeep. I go there about a 3 weeks every year and hopefully in the next five I can live up there full time, ATVing to and from working part time at friend's hunter supply shop.
 
Nope. There's a reason we built "the grid": being off it fucking sucks. I can press a couple buttons on my phone and have strangers bring me cooked food. If someone from before "the grid" suddenly woke up in an urban area of the United States in 2018 they'd believe they'd literally died and gone to heaven.
 
There's a reason people like to go hiking and camping, amd it's because it is something completely different from the usual routine in their life. When you make it your routine though, you're creating the problem you're trying to get away from.

There's so many conveniences that you leave behind, starting with stuff as simple as water. You can try your luck with surface sources and hope you don't get a horrible case of diarrhea, you can set uo a rain water system and hope it rains enough for you to use it, or you can dig a well and hope the local water table doesn't taste like a box of old nails. In any case, one of the most basic human needs, water, is best satisfied with the grid, and all the alternatives are a major step down. That's the reason the grid was there in the first place, and water is just a single thing that the grid is there to make better for us.

That's not to say there's no advantages to avoiding some aspects of the modern lifestyle. It's much better living in a shitty cabin out in the woods than a shitty apartment in the city, for one. But completely throwing out the prospect of basic stuff like electricity and groceries is overstepping the balance, because the complications that could ever arise from relying off those sorts of things is far outweighed by the benefit they provide to you.
 
Can't say that I'd have the survival skills to do so and thats as a longtime BoyScout.

Modern people assume that they're much smarter than their cave-dwelling answers but the reality is that they were just as smart but dedicated to survival and lacking in the complex organization to make computer programming valuable. Drop a smart person from the present into the past and you'll probably not see a technological boom.

Perhaps I could set up some cool super bunker with solar power, water collection and whatnot but why do all that when you can just live in isolation with all of the modern conveniences with just a little discipline?
 
My grandparents lived mostly off the grid. It was great for them - harvest your own water, grow your own food, they built their own beautiful house and had the peace and quiet of that lifestyle, fully self reliant.
As they got older, my grandmother got sick and they unfortunately needed those amenities towards the end, but it was good whilst they were able to live that lifestyle. They both lived extremely long healthy and full lives and were physically able to deal with life on the land into their 80's and 90s.
Luckily, they had plenty of money to get people in and the area that was "off the grid" for so long was starting to get hooked up to the grid then, so they were able to opt in, so to speak. That's the major consideration. To have enough money saved up that if you do need to go back to "normal" land, you can.

Otherwise, you are fucked. That's the boring reality downside of it.
 
As others have said here, I have fantasized about it, but numerous things make that really impractical:

Firstly, I'm a data hoarder. My life unironically revolves around technology, computers, and digital downloading. Comics, movies, games, etc. I couldn't leave that behind because it's become more than a hobby to me.

Second, I recall a local story(I think it was local)where a man wasn't off the grid, per se, but owned his own private land, his own house, and had solar panels on his house so he didn't pay the electric company for electricity. He basically had one thing and one thing only to pay out besides gas and food, and that was taxes. Well the story goes the local government of the state actually forced him off his own land for no conceived reason, but they were somehow able to, and the likely reason was that they didn't want him just living free and happy.

Just like you can't ever truly escape your society, your society in turn kind of wants to keep you around, often times for money. Now yes you COULD go out into the wilds far away from society and do everything iron man style, no tech, build your own house, supply whatever you need for it, use candles or non-electric means of lighting, build a fireplace for warmth and comfort, hunt game, all that kind of stuff.

But I personally feel that as society continues to grow more and more land will get taken up by society. In the neighborhood I grew up in we had a small forest in part of it, and as I got older more and more of it got taken down to make room for building more houses. The same could likely happen to places that aren't protected under some law from being torn down, and overall I do see new buildings get made or buildings get torn down and rebuilt from time to time.

I imagine if one doesn't go significantly far enough away from society, they won't ever truly be free from it, and even then society could eventually catch up. Beyond that, there is no true way to live off the grid, though you could get close enough to it if you lived in a house located a five minute drive away from the nearest city, in a pretty empty and untouched area.

Third, Bringing in the iron man phrase again I mentioned, you'd have to be pretty capable to even do that. You mentioned helping with roofing of a bugout shelter. That's one of many things you'd be doing on your own or with minimal help if you tried that. As fantastical as it sounds, even the act of building a log cabin by hand is a grueling task. Personally, I don't ever see myself being fit and capable enough to do that kind of stuff, but that's just me.

I personally think some of the fantasizing comes as a result of media. Movies, TV shows, video games.

As an aside, I have been downloading ebooks lately that talk about a lot of things related to living off the grid or similar concepts, but mostly because they talk about preserving/salting foods, sharpening blades, wind and solar power, stuff like that.

Ideally, one day, I'd like to be the guy in the story I mentioned above, but without any government intervention interrupting my life and likely with me paying for internet and Netflix/whatever similar service is appealing. But even discussing solar/wind power is a whole other topic on its own, I know jack shit still about wind power, and afaik solar power takes a lot of money at the start to really jumpstart into supplying your whole house.
 
I've considered doing something similar, but only temporarily. I'd do it so I could truly appreciate the life I have now, feel some actual humility, become stronger mentally and physically, etc. That's theoretically speaking, of course... but yeah. It's been on my mind for a few months, though I haven't done anything like it since I'm a weak, cowardly human-being procrastinator. I don't really know how I'd begin to do anything like it in the first place.

I'd imagine "going off the grid" for a while, and then eventually integrating back into normal society would improve most people mentally and/or morally, or at the very least teach them some humility. To decide to do it for the rest of your life, though? I don't know what to think about that. All I can say is that you'd need to think about that decision for a long, long time before going through with it.
I considered something similar where I would live like a vagrant to know what it's like to be truly destitute, not meme hipster destitute.
 
I can deal with the long periods of social isolation just fine... heck I do it already.... but you can tear my video games, internet addiction, sports and hot wings from my cold dead hands.
 
I’d miss my luxuries, like the Internet, central heating and not dying of septicemia.
 
A bit :offtopic: is there a survivalist/off-the-grid forum that isn't cancer? They're full of conspiracy nuts who make Alex Jones look sane and nobody can recommend anything without some dumbass going "ACSHUALLY YOU SHOULD MINE YOUR OWN STEEL FOR YOUR SWITCHBLADE."
 
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I think a lot of people, this thread included are looking at it incorrectly and saying "it'll be harder" as if that's something not expected or wanted. Part of that is the draw to this.
 
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A bit :offtopic: is there a survivalist/off-the-grid forum that isn't cancer? They're full of conspiracy nuts who make Alex Jones look sane and nobody can recommend anything without some dumbass going "ACSHUALLY YOU SHOULD MINE YOUR OWN STEEL FOR YOUR SWITCHBLADE."

They're probably retarded roleplayers and not actual survivalists in the woods since they have internet.
 
I like to go off the grid for a few days at a time once in a while, though it's more of a camping trip with minimal supplies than truly going off the grid.

A bit :offtopic: is there a survivalist/off-the-grid forum that isn't cancer? They're full of conspiracy nuts who make Alex Jones look sane and nobody can recommend anything without some dumbass going "ACSHUALLY YOU SHOULD MINE YOUR OWN STEEL FOR YOUR SWITCHBLADE."
Not that i'm aware, I do however suggest going in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. threads on /k/, /vg/ and the likes to ask for some advise. Though it's not really long term off grid living but long term fucking sucks.
 
I know people who have done it. Cutting your ties to industrial society does not equal an uncomplicated life in harmony with nature, believe me. There's very good reason that most people outsource the provision of basic necessities. That being said, it's totally possible to mediate your relationship with the techno-industrial world in ways that improve your life without going full Kaczynski.
 
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